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MJL
09-06-2008, 08:16
My Department Chairperson and friend; a highly refined, educated man of fine tastes has been trying to influence me toward supping Single Malt Scotches. In return, I have been retorting with my tastes for Bourbons of all types. More importantly, we have been revealing our local super-secret suppliers of our favored liquors. My esteemed colleague recently directed me to a seller of Scotches in the local area to examine their selection and perhaps purchase one to further his temptations away from my native drink to those of the Picts. I drove there after work, on my way to evening classes and was very impressed by their selection of Scotches. I was even more impressed, though, by their selection of Bourbons and excellent prices on their sale items. Neglecting the advice to purchase a Scotch, I was wavered toward their sale of Wild Turkey 101 in the 1.75 bottle for $23. I could not walk away from a sale so generous so I took two home. Indeed, I would have taken more home if I had the cash to do so.

Well, it has been some time since I have taken any Wild Turkey 101 into glass. I consider Wild Turkey 101 proof to be the archetypal American Bourbon; made the strength of our forefathers and with the wonderful sour mash and corn odors that perfume the room with their honest, straightforward, no nonsense permutations and a taste the runs from sweet to peppery. It has just enough rough edges to bring to mind Fredrick Jackson Turners "Frontier Theory" and just enough aftertaste to remind of of the richness of the Kentucky hills and lushly wooded Appalachian mountains of its origin.

I have been drinking so many highly refined Bourbons of late that I have come to neglect and thus forget the pleasure of the bite and rasp of what is one of the great, albeit pedestrian Whiskeys of our time. Perhaps it is that essential Americanism of my persona but I like a Whiskey that can stand up to a mixer, can be drunk neat or with ice and still delivers on the goods, at 101 proof for a reasonable price. The fact that this Whiskey is available all over North America, without the bother of hunting and delving into stores or Internet to hunt it down is a massive plus.

I am sorry to report that I burst the excitement of my esteemed friend when I mentioned to him that I visited his select shop but walked away with, what he referred to as "...pedestrian Bourbon and branch drinking liquor that can be found anywhere..." We had a good laugh at my expense as I reckon he is right. I can find pleasure in the lowest Bourbon and joy in the best there is to offer but I am most comfortable in the middle of road most of the time. Now to go back and get the rest of those 1.75 bottles to add to my stash!

OscarV
09-06-2008, 08:18
Sir, I concur.
I always have a WT101 available, nothing delivers like a bird on the rocks.

ratcheer
09-06-2008, 09:06
I disagree on the other side of the matter. WT101 is perfectly good bourbon, even well above average. No one should ever look down their nose at it. :smiley_acbt:

Tim

BourbonJoe
09-06-2008, 09:07
I agree also. Wild Turkey 101 has been my go-to bourbon for a long time. It is quintessential american whiskey IMO.
Joe :usflag:

bluesbassdad
09-06-2008, 09:59
Even though two of my meds come with a warning not to consume alchohol, I cheat once or twice a month. Drinking so infrequently allows me complete freedom to choose from among about 30 open bottles; at that rate a bottle of, say, Kentucky Spirit would last almost a year.

Surprisingly WT 101 still keeps its place in the rotation. The only difference now is that I'm more likely than before to add water or ice. As an infrequent pour WT 101 can be overpowering to my taste buds.

I don't know whether to cheer or cry at the price you mentioned. That's about what a 750 costs here in The Outback of central Arizona.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

MJL
09-06-2008, 10:10
Dave,

The regular price for this product is $35 for he 1.75 bottle so you can imagine my haste to abandon my plans to purchase a single malt Scotch and pick these bottles up. The last I saw there were one two bottles left in the store that, barring a hurricane on Monday, I am likely to claim as my own as well. The store these were selling at has GOOD sale prices! I reckon they shall now be on my regular stores to visit while I make my rounds around town.

smokinjoe
09-06-2008, 10:10
Isn't that one of the great "discoveries" that our little world of Bourbonia offers? Hunt far and wide, and spend way too much money on the super-premiums, only to rediscover one of the old regulars, and how really, really good it is. One of life's simple pleasures. Good for you, MJ.

:toast:

JOE

callmeox
09-06-2008, 10:56
Whenever we go to a party, I tote along a pint of WT101 as my contribution to the fun. It's a great all purpose bourbon, IMHO. It's great straight up, over ice and it has enough balls to stand up to cola.

I'm insanely jealous about that price.

MJL
09-06-2008, 11:22
I use Everclear to clean my pipes and I cannot find that gut rot for that cheap. The more I think about bunkering in a few more of those Wild Turkey bottles at that price the more I reckon it will happen.

spun_cookie
09-06-2008, 12:02
The current 101 is OK (up there with some of the best bourbons for the $$$), but even compaired to the early 90s version it is remarkable less "good" The early 1990 Old number 8s are crazy good and can still be found.

fishnbowljoe
09-06-2008, 19:26
I don't have a bottle in my cabinet yet. I do plan on getting one soon though. I've tried this bourbon a few times. Usually when I'm out to eat or at the bowling alley. I like it. As a matter of fact, I had a few last night while bowling. I'm not sure, but I think I shot a 200 the last game.:skep: Joe

mythrenegade
09-06-2008, 23:54
I use Everclear to clean my pipes and I cannot find that gut rot for that cheap. The more I think about bunkering in a few more of those Wild Turkey bottles at that price the more I reckon it will happen.

Please explain the whole "cleaning pipes with everclear" process to me. I don't have any around, but a friend does have a bottle of moonshine that is foul to drink, but might be worth using to clean a pipe. Do tell!

As for the WT101, don't be ashamed by it at all. I had a glass last night. A friend handed me a glass of whiskey on the rocks and told me it was Yukon Jack. I was rather surprised when I tasted it because I really liked it. I said "are you SURE this is Yukon Jack? This tastes exactly like Bourbon..."

After a little confused conversation he said "it's the bourbon you told my wife to buy" which was: Wild Turkey 101. I have no idea how he thought it was Yukon Jack, especially when he had just poured it... (and no, he wasn't loopy)

Joel

MJL
09-07-2008, 06:54
Well, I am talking about tobacco pipes not the household pipes. It is pretty common to use liquor to clean pipes by filling the bowl with salt or cotton balls and then dripping some high proof alcohol into the bowl. The spirits cause the tars and residues to release from the Briar and are literally sucked into the cotton or salt as the alcohol evaporates. I have always felt it was a damned shame to use good drinking liquor to clean pipes so I prefer to use the crappiest stuff I can find; like Everclear. The problem with that is when good Whiskey, or Rum is used they leave a slight residual sweetness to the bowl that is just wonderful and is, one could reckon, the goal of cleaning the dang thing in the first place. I have used cheap Bourbon to clean my pipes and it is wonderful but always a shame to use good drinking liquor in this fashion. The higher the proof the better as the last thing you want to put into Briar is water as that may do harm to the Briar and inhibits the cleaning process one would be after by doing this exercise to begin with. The amount used is actually quite small but stilll.....!

mythrenegade
09-07-2008, 13:07
Well, I am talking about tobacco pipes not the household pipes. It is pretty common to use liquor to clean pipes by filling the bowl with salt or cotton balls and then dripping some high proof alcohol into the bowl. The spirits cause the tars and residues to release from the Briar and are literally sucked into the cotton or salt as the alcohol evaporates. I have always felt it was a damned shame to use good drinking liquor to clean pipes so I prefer to use the crappiest stuff I can find; like Everclear. The problem with that is when good Whiskey, or Rum is used they leave a slight residual sweetness to the bowl that is just wonderful and is, one could reckon, the goal of cleaning the dang thing in the first place. I have used cheap Bourbon to clean my pipes and it is wonderful but always a shame to use good drinking liquor in this fashion. The higher the proof the better as the last thing you want to put into Briar is water as that may do harm to the Briar and inhibits the cleaning process one would be after by doing this exercise to begin with. The amount used is actually quite small but stilll.....!

I assumed you meant a tobacco pipe! Funny, but it never occurred to me that you could mean a household pipe...

I will give it a shot. I've only used a couple of pipe cleaners to clean my pipe, and the bowl is very black...

Joel

MJL
09-07-2008, 13:44
Joel,

Well, if you are going to give it a try here are my suggestions:

1. Don't bother with salt. It has a lot of potential problems for the briar. Use 100% cotton balls.

2. Ream the bowl first and then jam the cotton balls in the bowl fairly tightly.

3. Remove the stem and then jam a Q tip into the shank. I like to use the ones with the cardboard handles as it will act as a wick as well.

4. Drip, very carefully the highest proof liquor you care to use for this into the bowl, on top of the cotton bowl until it is fairly full. Be careful not to get the liquid on the outside as it will lift the finish on the pipe. This is OK if you intend to refinish the outside.

5. A friend on another site mentioned that he wraps the bowls in plastic wrap to enhance the wicking action. I can confirm this works VERY well but also may get the liquid on the outside of the bowl if you are not careful.

6. Allow the bowl to sit with the cotton and liquor in it until the top of the cotton has been dry a few days. That may mean up to a week of sitting depending on humidity conditions in your area.

7. You may choose to repeat this treatment right away when you see how much gunk comes out of your bowl, especially the shank.

8. Before smoking a treated pipe let it rest a week or so to allow it to fully dry out after you have removed the cotton. Use pipe cleaners dipped in the same liquor to clean out the stem before putting it back in the shank.

9. This only works on briar pipes. Do not, DO NOT use on Meerschaum, Corn Cobs or Clay pipes. Bad things may happen!

fishnbowljoe
09-07-2008, 14:06
Another alcohol you might want to try for cleaning you pipes is Spiritus. It is higher proof than Everclear. Everclear is 197 proof and Spiritus is 199 proof. I had the stuff once 30 years ago when I was in the Army.:hot: :hot: :hot: This was before it was legal to import it I believe. We had a guy that was 2nd generation Polish in our unit, and somehow he got it shipped in from Poland. You could always count on him to have some at our units summer picnic. Joe

smokinjoe
09-07-2008, 14:33
MJ, sorry for this next question, as it takes your nice thread further off topic, but: My dad always used to say, "This'll clean yer pipes out!", as he gave you a whiskey, Alka Seltzer, Vicks rub, methiolate (sp?). I always thought he meant your lungs, or maybe the pipes in the house. Is this a common saying for pipe smokers?

Thanks,

JOE

MJL
09-07-2008, 14:55
Another alcohol you might want to try for cleaning you pipes is Spiritus. It is higher proof than Everclear. Everclear is 197 proof and Spiritus is 199 proof. I had the stuff once 30 years ago when I was in the Army.:hot: :hot: :hot: This was before it was legal to import it I believe. We had a guy that was 2nd generation Polish in our unit, and somehow he got it shipped in from Poland. You could always count on him to have some at our units summer picnic. Joe


Joe that stuff will certainly do the trick. The bad side of using Whiskey or Rum is that both contain a fair amount of water that will get into the briar and will potentially swell the grain or allow dissolved salts from using the salt process into faults in the briar. Getting the salts out means using more water or enduring a pipe that smokes salty. :skep: I have turned against using salt/alcohol to clean pipes because I have cracked a few and had a bunch that had to be recleaned to get the damn salty flavor out of them. So, I use cotton balls and alcohols but I do not use Everclear too often because the use of Rum or Whiskey allows a certain amount of the essence of themselves to enter the briar and release when smoked. Indeed, the good side of using an alcohol you would actually drink is that it will leave behind, in the wood, sugars and other carbohydrate compounds that toast up wonderfully and compliment the tobacco. This is especially true when drinking the same alcohol while smoking the freshly cleaned pipe.

As an example I recently purchased a 1940s era Custombilt pipe. This old classic had been abused by some previous owner but do to great construction and design it was still savable. I smoked it when I first got it and is smoked like the exhaust pipe on a diesel truck. I cleaned it up and it took four cycles with the cotton balls and Henry McCenna. When I finally got the inside clean I let it sit for almost a month to allow the briar to dry out. I took it out last night for a smoke with some Prince Albert. Just fantastic! I was getting whiffs of marshmallows browning over a campfire and smores coming out of the pipe. Amazing!

MJL
09-07-2008, 14:56
MJ, sorry for this next question, as it takes your nice thread further off topic, but: My dad always used to say, "This'll clean yer pipes out!", as he gave you a whiskey, Alka Seltzer, Vicks rub, methiolate (sp?). I always thought he meant your lungs, or maybe the pipes in the house. Is this a common saying for pipe smokers?

Thanks,

JOE


Joe,

In my house the phrase "clean your pipes out" was used in conjunction with prunes or women! Funny old phrase, huh?:rolleyes:

mythrenegade
09-07-2008, 18:48
9. This only works on briar pipes. Do not, DO NOT use on Meerschaum, Corn Cobs or Clay pipes. Bad things may happen!

Forgive me. What is a briar pipe verses meerschaum? My pipe is wood. That's all I know :-)

It sounds like I will need to buy a second pipe before I try this so I have something to smoke while this one is down for maintenance.

The liquor I was planning to use is moonshine, made from five pounds of feed corn and five pounds of sugar. It is, to put it bluntly, swill. My friend bought it primarily for the novelty factor, and we tried it neat. It's probably great to get hammered on, but we don't do that, so it sits unused. We've toyed with the idea of using it as a fuel, but I like the idea of cleaning a pipe with it! I'm guessing it's only 100 proof or so. Would that be enough or is that too low?

Joel

MJL
09-07-2008, 18:59
If your pipe is wood it is highly likely made from Briar root. The Moonshine should work but my experiences with Moonshine have not been tasty. In the end if you would not drink it I would not put it in your pipe to smoke the residues of the stuff. I have tasted good 'shine and bad 'shine and all of it scared me about what I did not know about the ingredients. Personally, I would stick to liquors whose purity can be assured but it is your pipe so have at it. A good "second" pipe would be one of the cheap Corn Cob pipes found at some drug stores, tobacconists and online.

mythrenegade
09-08-2008, 17:59
If your pipe is wood it is highly likely made from Briar root. The Moonshine should work but my experiences with Moonshine have not been tasty. In the end if you would not drink it I would not put it in your pipe to smoke the residues of the stuff. I have tasted good 'shine and bad 'shine and all of it scared me about what I did not know about the ingredients. Personally, I would stick to liquors whose purity can be assured but it is your pipe so have at it. A good "second" pipe would be one of the cheap Corn Cob pipes found at some drug stores, tobacconists and online.

I'm not too worried about the ingredients, but the stuff IS swill. It's certainly not drinkable by me... I am still intrigued by the pipe cleaning process, but I might have to use JB White or something.

Joel

bluesbassdad
09-08-2008, 19:41
A strange phenomenon is developing.

Even though this thread has evolved (devolved?) into a discussion of 'shine and tobacco pipes, the frequent repetition of the text, "Wild Turkey 101 Just Fine For Me!" in my list of new messages is getting to me. Tonight I actually salivated slightly.

I haven't had my September drink of bourbon yet, and I'm almost certain as to what it will be.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

Sijan
09-08-2008, 20:10
WT101 is good bourbon. Among mainstream bourbons that you can find at almost any liquor store, I'd go for it or OGD BIB.

bluesbassdad
09-08-2008, 20:11
WT101 is good bourbon. Among mainstream bourbons that you can find at almost any liquor store, I'd go for it or OGD BIB.

Dan,

Don't confuse me! :grin:

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

cas
09-09-2008, 09:21
The widespread availability of WT 101 may cut down on it's snob appeal, but I'm never disappointed with a glass. It's not as complex, maybe, as some of the more expensive bourbons, but it is a consistently satisfying pour. If I recall correctly, in the late 70s, it was just about the best bourbon available.
Craig

rockporter
09-09-2008, 15:15
Consistent is a good word. In college in the 70's , my best bud would get WT and I would get JD - just to prove each other wrong, we didn't switched - until the eve of graduation. We both realized both were good.

He has stayed with WT as his go to while I have switched to Eagle Rare but we are always open to others.

OscarV
09-09-2008, 15:33
If I recall correctly, in the late 70s,
Craig

I missed out on this back then. I was a hard core beer drinker.
But recently I have tasted some old Turkeys.
One from the '80's at 86.8 proof that was extremely rich.
And a Number 8 from the early '90's that set off mini explosions in your mouth.
I have been looking for a Number 8 since and I want to try an old 80 proof, I figure 86.8 is closer to 80 than 101 so I'll bet it is good.
I came across a few old 80 proofers this summer but they had, what I cal "mud" on the bottom of the whiskey so I passed.

Rughi
09-09-2008, 17:36
This is a non-sequitur, but a funny thing just happened as I quickly scrolled past this thread's listing and misread it, catching only about half the words. I thought it said:

Wild Turkey 101: Fear Me!

Maybe that really is what the thread's about, though.

Roger

Potbanger
09-15-2008, 19:57
Great post. I feel the same way. I love the "hidden gems" in life - even if they're in plain site. Everyone can appreciate a Ferrari, but I love driving my WRX. Bad analogy, but I'm a car guy!

My bottle of WT 101 has a strong "cork" smell to it.. Is that common?

ILLfarmboy
09-15-2008, 20:04
WT 101 often has a noticeable "fresh wood" smell/taste. Is that what you mean?

ACDetroit
09-16-2008, 20:40
I love the "hidden gems" in life - even if they're in plain site. Everyone can appreciate a Ferrari, but I love driving my WRX. Bad analogy, but I'm a car guy!

What year WRX Brad? Any mods? Oh, and yes that was a terrible analogy, appreciation for a Ferrari is very different seeing as you only see one on the road in Michigan once in a great while. On my way home from PA a few weeks ago I cut through Flat Rock and ended up next to and shot a picture of the ass end a Yellow 360 Modena spyder. Not because I appreciate it but because it Hot!

On the other side of the coin I can have a WRK in 8 different colors and drive each one on a different day of the week with one left over for the same price as the 360.

Sorry to run off topic! I'm going to pour some WT 101 Old no. 8 right now.

Cheers!
Tony

mythrenegade
09-17-2008, 19:24
Great post. I feel the same way. I love the "hidden gems" in life - even if they're in plain site. Everyone can appreciate a Ferrari, but I love driving my WRX. Bad analogy, but I'm a car guy!

My bottle of WT 101 has a strong "cork" smell to it.. Is that common?

I love the WRX.

I was driving a friend's WRX STI Limited Edition (the epitome of stealth, no boy racer wing, no graphics, just a plain looking Subi that SCREAMS!) with another friend who owns a Porsche 911 Carrera and Dave says "yeah, these things are fast, they can keep up with me until about 135 or so"

Which was way impressive that (a) they are that fast and (b) he knows that he can outrun one of these babies after 135...

Joel

Potbanger
10-16-2008, 15:01
WT 101 often has a noticeable "fresh wood" smell/taste. Is that what you mean?

Not sure. I just purchased a new bottle with identical labeling but it doesn't have that corky almost "musty" smell to it. I'm going to see if the bottle just needs to get some air in it. Other than that, I can go to the store I originally got the "corky" bottle from, but that was a year ago.

Wondering if my bottle had the cork taint (http://www.wineloverspage.com/wineadvisor2/tswa20080310.php) described here. Weird thing is, I like the bottle!

I might need to get a few local experts here to offer their opinion!

NYtaster
10-16-2008, 18:09
I have always felt that WT101 is the best value out there. Its got a very consistant profile that really seems to be what bourbon is supposed to be... Drinkable, Flavorable and Affordable.

F399SF
10-16-2008, 21:24
I'm incredibly grateful Wild Turkey 101 is so ubiquitous. It's inexpensive, a good proof, and tasty. I wish like hell it was still 8 years old, but I feel good knowing most bars and liquor stores will have it. It's a quintessential man's drink and Scotch drinkers shouldn't be so snobby!

tommyboy38
07-07-2009, 21:16
I had a few pours of Wt101 this evening and I was very pleased. My initial motivation was to compare two different bottles of WT101 and they were nearly identical and both very enjoyable.

Waiahi
07-08-2009, 15:41
Hell yeah it's just fine for me...and was simply delighted to find that the Wal Mart near my house just started stocking it...for $18 a bottle!!! Yeehaw! Most places here are $22 - $25...just wish they'd start carrying WT101Rye....

Phantos
07-08-2009, 23:45
Shopping at Wal-Mart for fine spirits will kill yr local liquor stores that carry fine spirits that you seek.
I do not approve.

WT101 on the other hand, rules tits.
I had a fresh lil 375ml of it the other night, so spicy and nice.
a better bourbon than most, sharp and potent, rich and rewarding.
bourbon should not be easy!
(like the BT I am drinking now... although I ain't bitcin'.)

Waiahi
07-09-2009, 16:00
I don't buy that rationale one bit, phantos. WT is ubiquitous as far as KSBW goes...I can already find it at most any grocery store. It's not as if Wal Mart is stocking up on "specialty" Bourbons that one can only find at liquor stores.

My local Wal Mart only had WT101, EW Black, JB White and Early Times.

It's not as if I ever bought any of those from a specialty liquor store, ever. I've always bought those Bourbon's only from grocery stores, and typically only if it were on sale. Usually, at any given time, any of those bottles will be on sale at one grocery store or another.

The fact that Wal Mart carries those few, mass marketed and ubiquitous brands doesn't hurt the specialty liquor stores one bit, as I doubt most people are going to go out of their way to go to a specialty store to buy bottles that are so widely available elsewhere.

Josh
07-09-2009, 17:16
I have never really cared for WT 101, frankly. But I picked up a liter of WT 8 cutting through Canada. Now that's some good stuff. Tastes like WT 101 should taste.

DeanSheen
07-09-2009, 17:58
I have never really cared for WT 101, frankly. But I picked up a liter of WT 8 cutting through Canada. Now that's some good stuff. Tastes like WT 101 should taste.

What is the 8? I dont care for the 101 myeself but I had to ask since I'll be in Canada this summer.

Josh
07-09-2009, 18:58
What is the 8? I dont care for the 101 myeself but I had to ask since I'll be in Canada this summer.

It's 8 year old 101. I got mine for $20 at the Duty-free. Nice stuff.

DeanSheen
07-09-2009, 19:09
And it's a liter too.

THanks for the tip. I can grab some of that going in and some Red Breast going out.

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Nose: RICH RUBY PORT WITH HINTS OF DATES
Palate: CARAMEL AND VANILLA WITH HONEY, BROWN SUGAR AND MA



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edo
07-12-2009, 03:46
MJL-
I don't know how I got on this thread so late after your excellent post. While I don't see anything pedestrian about it, I agree it's a great pour and your post has inspired me to pour myself a WT 101 8 y.o. on this hot summer evening. Here's to you, and to WT 101. Cheers!