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DJCRLS
10-03-2008, 08:49
I live in Ohio, and i was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on some good, inexpensive bourbons? I usually try to get something with more than 40% alcohol. I've tried, and really enjoy, evan williams (regular and single barrel), elija creig, old grand dad, wild turkey russel's reserve and rare breed. And a few others. I'm looking for something around or under 20 dollars, i saw old forrester 100 proof online for around this price but i haven't been able to find it this low in any stores. Any suggestions? Maybe some ofyour favorite inexpensive bourbonS?

bluesbassdad
10-03-2008, 09:01
I live in Ohio, and i was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on some good, inexpensive bourbons? I usually try to get something with more than 40% alcohol. I've tried, and really enjoy, evan williams (regular and single barrel), elija creig, old grand dad, wild turkey russel's reserve and rare breed. And a few others. I'm looking for something around or under 20 dollars, i saw old forrester 100 proof online for around this price but i haven't been able to find it this low in any stores. Any suggestions? Maybe some ofyour favorite inexpensive bourbonS?

Regional variations in prices introduce some uncertainty here.

As of 2004, when I left CA, Wild Turkey 101 was seldom more than $18. Rite-Aid often put it on sale for $12.99. Yes, $12.99. Perhaps the price there has now risen to the $22 range, as it is here in central Arizona. I don't know.

One bourbon worth trying, if it meets your price criterion in OH, is Old Fitzgerald BIB. I've had a love/hate relationship with it, but on a good day it reminds me of 100 proof caramel corn.

I'm not a big fan of Old Forester BIB, but many here are. Notwithstanding, a few years ago I liked it better than Woodford Reserve in a blind tasting.
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Do you ever make trips into Kentucky? Your choices would be much greater there.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

MikeK
10-03-2008, 09:42
Anything from Heaven Hill. Their 4,6, and 10 year old BIB's range from $7 to $13 or so. Good stuff.

Cheers,

DoubleT
10-03-2008, 12:02
I live in Ohio, and i was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on some good, inexpensive bourbons? I usually try to get something with more than 40% alcohol. I've tried, and really enjoy, evan williams (regular and single barrel), elija creig, old grand dad, wild turkey russel's reserve and rare breed. And a few others. I'm looking for something around or under 20 dollars, i saw old forrester 100 proof online for around this price but i haven't been able to find it this low in any stores. Any suggestions? Maybe some ofyour favorite inexpensive bourbonS?
I don't know what it runs in your area but I am very fond of Buffalo Trace. I also recommend, if you liked the Old Grand Dad, the OGD BIB. Knob Creek and Old Weller Antique 107 might also be to your liking.

bluesbassdad
10-03-2008, 12:20
I don't know what it runs in your area but I am very fond of Buffalo Trace. I also recommend, if you liked the Old Grand Dad, the OGD BIB. Knob Creek and Old Weller Antique 107 might also be to your liking.

Here in central Arizona Knob Creek is around $30. Here's hoping it's under $20 in Ohio, but I doubt it.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

Sijan
10-03-2008, 12:52
OGD BIB or WT101 are my top picks in this category

Lost Pollito
10-03-2008, 13:11
VOB BIB., is my favorite in that range. 11.99 in Chicago.

BourbonJoe
10-03-2008, 13:13
Try J.W. Dant BiB. Dirt cheap in Kentucky and the DSP-Ky-31's are good. Or J.T.S. Brown BiB - $11.39 a liter in Kentucky and decent whiskey.
Joe :usflag:

callmeox
10-03-2008, 13:27
What part of Ohio are you in? I'm up in Willowick in the northeast corner of the state. While Ohio doesn't have the wide selection that many other states have, there are a couple of inexpensive gems that you may want to try.

I recommend the J.T.S. Brown Bottled in Bond (100 proof) as a great inexpensive choice in Ohio. It lists here for about 13.00 for a 750 and around 29.50 for a 1.75 (depending on the tax rate in your county). There's an 80 proof and 100 proof available here, so be sure that you grab the correct one.

At the high end of your price scale, I recommend Buffalo Trace or Wild Turkey 101 (both are in the 21.00 ball park here).

Unfortunately, Ohio doesn't carry the 100 proof Old Forester (only the 86 proof version).

if you want to check stock to see who in your area carries a specific brand, you can call the Ohio Department of Liquor Control in Columbus (614-644-2515) and save yourself some driving. If you give them a county or a zip code and the product code from the link below, they can tell you which stores in your area have a specific product in stock.

http://www.liquorcontrol.ohio.gov/dolc.liquor.pricelist.txt

Happy Hunting!

shoshani
10-03-2008, 13:46
I can almost write a song:


Wheennnn yooooouuu buy one 23 Pappy
and ten VOBs
That's Amortization

:)


Seriously, though, you can spread the overall expense if you buy one "special" bottling (say a Forester Birthday) and a few high proof high quality low price bourbons together. Just one more thing to love about the world of bourbon and rye.

PhilsFan
10-03-2008, 15:56
I also give my vote to JTS Brown & VOB bibs.

-Joe

cowdery
10-03-2008, 22:19
Buy any Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey that says either "bonded" or "bottled in bond" on the label and I bet you will be happy with it.

Dramiel McHinson
10-03-2008, 23:02
If they have it in your area, try Estate Bottled Old Bardstown. It's 10 year old 101 proof. It is good sour mash Kentucky straight bourbon. It's not expensive in my neighborhood.

MJL
10-04-2008, 07:52
As far as inexpensive you cannot go wrong with some of the bigger name brands like Wild Turkey or Old Grand Dad. These are solid Bourbons that have the attraction of being widely available and moderately priced.

My suggestion is you will expand your choices greatly if you expand your requirements to allow for 90 proof whiskey. There are so many great 90 proof Bourbons that you will be greatly rewarded with an examination in that direction.

Brennan77
10-04-2008, 16:02
Rowan's Creek would be a good choice.

shoshani
10-05-2008, 01:10
Buy any Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey that says either "bonded" or "bottled in bond" on the label and I bet you will be happy with it.

That's how I got started on this dusty trail. I turned 21 in 1986, and at the time I'd come into a bunch of magazines from the 1940s and 1950s. Most of these had ads for whiskey in various forms, and the whole "Bottled In Bond" concept seemed to be a hallmark of quality. Thus, when I first began buying bourbon, I started off with some of those very BiB brands I'd seen advertised: Old Forester, Old Fitz, Old Grand-Dad, Old Taylor.

A friend of mine who was also a bartender jokingly referred to these old Bonded brands as "WW II Veteran's Whiskey". Drinking them was definitely declasse at the time. Now it's hip and retro. :)

shoshani
10-05-2008, 08:43
It's too late for me to edit my post above, so I'll add it here: Most of these bourbons that I was buying 20 years ago cost around $7-9 at the time. Most of these same bottlings are going today for $12-14, which according to the Westegg inflation calculator is just about what $7-9 bought back then, so overall the basic BiB expressions haven't really gone up in price, when that gets factored in.

spun_cookie
10-05-2008, 11:25
If you can get soem Old #8 or old 8 yr WT101s... that is some great drinking. The newer 101 is not as good, but is not bad either... if you are lucky enough to find any of the 1992/3 or older 101... do a comparison...

callmeox
10-05-2008, 16:46
Everyone has made wonderful suggestions for inexpensive bourbons, but the one issue is that most/all of them are not available in Ohio.

Take a quick glance at the Ohio list that I posted the link to and you'll see that there's an absence of many of the quality inexpensive labels here.

Gillman
10-05-2008, 17:04
Scott, I was interested in the number American whiskeys (blends) on the market in your State. What is the local market for these as far as you know, is it for whiskey and Coke, say?

Could the blends mostly be purchased by restaurants and bars for well whiskey?

Do buyers of blends regard them as the same as bourbon but less expensive, or as something different?

I guess these questions could be asked of anywhere in the States but there seemed a larger-than-usual number of blends available and that Canadian whiskies have not usurped the ground these have held (at least in number of brands offered).

Gary

callmeox
10-05-2008, 17:18
I wish I had access to the stats for what the top X sellers and volumes were for each category here in Ohio. I've got a casual contact at the Ohio DLC and the next time I talk to her, I'll ask if the numbers are available to the general public.

Form my experience, Cleveland is a real shot and beer and highball town. I think that with that, you're going to see them using the cheaper stuff across the board.


While playing golf for the day long bachelor shindig, my playing partner produced a shiny metal flask from his gold bag. He motioned toward me with the flask and offered "Windsor?". I went to my bag and grabbed the 200 of VOB BiB that I brought back from Kentucky and told him to try this instead. He didn't touch the Windsor the rest of the round, but he hit up the VOB quite a few times. At $19.00 for a handle of Windsor, it's tough to find a bourbon to compete with that when price is more important than taste.

Gillman
10-05-2008, 18:31
Okay very interesting, thanks.

Gary

ThomasH
10-05-2008, 19:21
Usually, the local newspaper here publishes the top 10 selling spirits in Ohio for the current year. Absolut and Kamchatka (Cheap bottom shelf) in vodka, Bacardi in rum, Jim Beam and JD for straight whiskey, Black Velvet and Windsor for Canadian Whiskey. I don't think it lists every category, just the top 10 sellers. I can't remember the rest of the list, but Beam was the only bourbon listed!

Thomas

mozilla
10-06-2008, 07:08
While playing golf for the day long bachelor shindig, my playing partner produced a shiny metal flask from his gold bag. He motioned toward me with the flask and offered "Windsor?". I went to my bag and grabbed the 200 of VOB BiB that I brought back from Kentucky and told him to try this instead. He didn't touch the Windsor the rest of the round, but he hit up the VOB quite a few times. At $19.00 for a handle of Windsor, it's tough to find a bourbon to compete with that when price is more important than taste.

Well,....when 3/4 of the bottle of Windsor is GNS or vodka(or whatever they call it in Canada)....I think that any bourbon would compete on an equal basis.

25% of a bottle filled with bourbon and watered down with GNS does not offer much competition to a good bottle of Wild Turkey.

callmeox
10-06-2008, 08:59
To someone who has developed an affinity for something with a more robust character, your point is spot on. Most folks don't know the components of a blended whiskey, so that distinction is transparent to them...until we can educate them.

mozilla
10-06-2008, 09:27
The point should hit home with the budget minded man who might be even the slightest bit crafty....mix one bottle of straight bourbon with two bottles of cheap vodka....and voila...blended whisky for a fraction of regular price. Mix in more vodka for a liter flavor.

I don't know how to spread the word to all the whisky green horns? I tried to educate as many drinkers as I could while on the sales side of the counter, but there is just so much misinformation pumped into the system already.

CorvallisCracker
10-07-2008, 09:39
Mix in more vodka for a liter flavor.

You mean it would taste more metric?

mozilla
10-07-2008, 12:58
You mean it would taste more metric?

Sorry,
I was thinking Miller Lite-r. Or, in other words...worse.

Thanks for keepin tabs on my spillin'.:rolleyes:

shoshani
10-07-2008, 23:37
So, having just returned from a local neighborhood liquor store where I plunked down the princely sum of $16.99 plus Chicago and Cook County taxes, I can seriously recommend Old Grand-Dad Bottled In Bond.

Yes, Beam makes it, but they haven't let it go to swill the way they did Old Crow and Taylor. This actually tastes like OGD, and not only has a lot of fruity muscle from the rye but also has a musty caramel sweetness in its aftertaste, which if I recall from my wayward youth is a hallmark of the OGD profile of 20 years ago.

Points also for historical continuity in one respect: Beam's OGD is bottled at the old National Distillers OGD plant, DSP-KY-14.

I also picked up a bottle of Old Fitz BiB for $12.00. It's inexpensive, I will give it that. And its label is pretty. It's also quite thin in body (most older style Bonded bourbons tend to be just a slight bit syrupy with a heavier mouthfeel) and is sort of a firewater with wood flavoring. That "whisper of wheat" actually shouts fairly loudly until it spends a few more years in the barrel...

Unrelated and off-topic: I also picked up Old Overholt out of curiosity. I immediately emailed Jim Beam to ask why oh why won't they bottle this at at least 90, preferably 100? It has potential, but really tastes diluted. I'd love to get my hands on some BiB Overholt from 50-60 years ago to see what it was like in its heyday.

mozilla
10-08-2008, 07:14
Yes, Beam makes it, but they haven't let it go to swill the way they did Old Crow and Taylor. This actually tastes like OGD, and not only has a lot of fruity muscle from the rye but also has a musty caramel sweetness in its aftertaste, which if I recall from my wayward youth is a hallmark of the OGD profile of 20 years ago.

Points also for historical continuity in one respect: Beam's OGD is bottled at the old National Distillers OGD plant, DSP-KY-14.

I found the current OGD Bib to be flat and uninspiring. I won't go as far as to say that it was swill, but I don't think it holds a candle to even the 86 proof ND juice. I don't remember any "musty" flavors from the ND distillate. I remember that it had lots of soft fruit and was very balanced between the caramel, barrel flavors and rye spice. There are lots of very mellow floral notes that cannot be found in the current rendition.

Also, lots of Beam products make an appearence at the OGD plant. It is a huge and bussling facility. I wish they gave tours there.....but, alas....Beam is not concerned with the opinions of yours truely.

spun_cookie
10-08-2008, 23:37
I found the current OGD Bib to be flat and uninspiring. I won't go as far as to say that it was swill, but I don't think it holds a candle to even the 86 proof ND juice. I don't remember any "musty" flavors from the ND distillate. I remember that it had lots of soft fruit and was very balanced between the caramel, barrel flavors and rye spice. There are lots of very mellow floral notes that cannot be found in the current rendition.

Moz,
I second that. All of teh older OGD that I have been fortunate to taste is remarkable. Good depth, and a wonderful taste profile... I have had many of the 2000 and newer OGDs and I have not been happy.

shoshani
10-09-2008, 18:53
It could be that I got an "off" bottle, then :) It reminded me very much of a 1979 bottle I finished not too long ago. I was pleasantly surprised.