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funknik
11-13-2008, 13:24
Hey all, I followed some threads about this brand, but hoped you guys might be able to shed some more light.

I'm on a bit of a mission to try as many bourbons as possible and am almost through all available in Maine. As someone who is not much of a fan of the wheaters (I don't really like MM that much, etc.), I was wondering if VSOF is worth the $33 purchase. After much searching I finally found a bottle, but then upon seeing the price, I copped out.

I do tend to really like the extra aged bottlings (EC12 is one of my all-time favs) and I like WLW SR 7yr (which is easy to like at $13 a bottle) and I really like Dickel No.12 for a wheat based TN Whiskey.

I guess my question is: is there something about this bottle that will grab my attention and/or elevate my opinion of wheaters in general? Any help, as always, is appreciated.

Special Reserve
11-13-2008, 17:53
I've paid that and a little more for the Bourbon Heritage Collection version of the VSOF. I'd repeat that process if I had another opportunity.

Will

shoshani
11-13-2008, 22:52
and I really like Dickel No.12 for a wheat based TN Whiskey.

'Tain't no such thing. Both TN distilleries (Daniel and Dickel) use the standard corn/rye/barley mashbill.

UD did sell wheated KY bourbon under the "Cascade RX" label (Dickel was once sold as Cascade), but that was to get rid of surplus stocks they'd been stuck with after overproducing for Rebel Yell, a brand that did not have the growth potential the marketeers were predicting. This was a good decade ago; I doubt there is anything left on the market.

funknik
11-14-2008, 05:08
'Tain't no such thing. Both TN distilleries (Daniel and Dickel) use the standard corn/rye/barley mashbill.

UD did sell wheated KY bourbon under the "Cascade RX" label (Dickel was once sold as Cascade), but that was to get rid of surplus stocks they'd been stuck with after overproducing for Rebel Yell, a brand that did not have the growth potential the marketeers were predicting. This was a good decade ago; I doubt there is anything left on the market.

Okay, good to know. Well, certainly to my taste, Dickel seems to have not to have a very high percentage of rye. I've noticed a trend around here that people only seems to want to pick out mistakes and inconsistencies of others rather than offer advice of answer questions.

kickert
11-14-2008, 06:33
Okay, good to know. Well, certainly to my taste, Dickel seems to have not to have a very high percentage of rye. I've noticed a trend around here that people only seems to want to pick out mistakes and inconsistencies of others rather than offer advice of answer questions.

Hmm.... I would not make this an either or. The people here really know their stuff (which is why I frequent) and want others to learn as well. I have found most of the major contributors are very kind and helpful. At the same time, this is probably the best gathering of bourbon lovers around (Everything from Master Distillers to Authors of Whiskey Books to descendants of original Bourbon makers). If you say something incorrect, they are going to notice, and help you understand. It would be like walking into the UN and saying Austria was near New Zealand. Your gonna get called out. Part of that is helping people besides you understand. If I did a search for Wheat Whiskey and Dickle 12 came up from your post, unless it is corrected, it simply propogates misinformation.

funknik
11-14-2008, 07:07
If you say something incorrect, they are going to notice, and help you understand.

Understood -- and I appreciate the correction, I am merely noting that of the 70+ people who viewed this post, only one bothered to offer helpful advice and no one really addressed my question. If you can take time to correct, you can take time to help.

Doesn't matter...

ACDetroit
11-14-2008, 07:17
funknik? Do you know if the bottle is from the BHC (Bourbon Heritage Collection)? Do you know how to tell the difference? There is another thread on this bottle going currently and the person starting it has some great pictures of the bottles from the BHC and the boxes they came in. You might check that out.

Here you go (http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10945&highlight=VSOF)

As for the Whiskey you speak of it's very good and ata fair price. If you are on a mission to try as many bourbons as you can I think $33 bucks is a small price to pay but that's my opinion.

Good luck on you journey!

Tony

JamesW
11-14-2008, 08:00
I concur with Tony. The VSOF is one of my favorites (had some last night actually) and I currently have one open and 2 bunkered. I paid about $35 for mine. They are tough to find in my parts and I jump on them when I find one. Go get it! It's one of the unique flavor profiles out there.

scratchline
11-14-2008, 09:43
VSOF is certainly a good whiskey and, as you can see from the posts above, many people think an outstanding one. I would definitely recommend you try it and see what you think. IMO, however, there is one true standout among the old Heritage Collection bottlings, and that is Weller Centennial. It is usually priced in the same range as the VSOF and, whether a Louisville or Frankfort bottle, to my palate it is a much better whiskey. Many would recommend the much cheaper Weller 12 yr, but there again I think the Centennial is worth the extra money.

-Mike

funknik
11-14-2008, 09:52
Do you know if the bottle is from the BHC (Bourbon Heritage Collection)? Do you know how to tell the difference?

Tony

The three I saw were definitely in those nifty boxes, but I'd have to go back and check to be sure that they are from BHC. Thanks for the tip.

funknik
11-14-2008, 09:54
VSOF is certainly a good whiskey and, as you can see from the posts above, many people think an outstanding one. I would definitely recommend you try it and see what you think. IMO, however, there is one true standout among the old Heritage Collection bottlings, and that is Weller Centennial. It is usually priced in the same range as the VSOF and, whether a Louisville or Frankfort bottle, to my palate it is a much better whiskey. Many would recommend the much cheaper Weller 12 yr, but there again I think the Centennial is worth the extra money.

-Mike

Weller Centennial is listed as available in Maine @ $29, but I think I read on here that it's not in production anymore? Is this correct? Anyway, upon contacting the Maine Bev Co. last week, they said there not any recent orders for this bottle, so if I find one, it may be just dumb luck. Or rather, perseverance.

JamesW
11-14-2008, 09:58
Weller Centennial is listed as available in Maine @ $29, but I think I read on here that it's not in production anymore? Is this correct? Anyway, upon contacting the Maine Bev Co. last week, they said there not any recent orders for this bottle, so if I find one, it may be just dumb luck. Or rather, perseverance.

Yep, it's out of production and one of my favorites. I have about 7 Centennials bunkered from Julio's (extra aged 13 yrs). It is superlative. I highly recommend. Get Both!

Special Reserve
11-14-2008, 10:24
If they are in a box that's a good sign. Also look for the BHC or HC on the seal. Additionally, if in a box take it out of the box to ensure that the bourbon is good and not half evaporated and turbid.

luv2hunt
11-14-2008, 22:37
Very Special Old Fitzgerald - worth it? . . . . no. . . and I have and old bottle and my answer is still no!

funknik
11-17-2008, 20:33
Very Special Old Fitzgerald - worth it? . . . . no. . . and I have and old bottle and my answer is still no!

Well, despite your warnings, I picked one of these up for my newly launched bunker. It is from the BHC and I intend to save it for a rainy day. My original plan was to buy two and stash one, but then I ran into a pair of Rare Breed '96s and I had to buy them up. So, although I've only had bottles to drink up until now, it seems I've started a stash. Afraid I've exhausted my bourbon budget for the rest of the year (don't tell my wife :rolleyes:), but it's worth it. Check out the Rare Breed thread for photo (I'm so proud).

cowdery
11-17-2008, 21:46
If you're just trying to get some things you haven't had, $33 is a fair price for a Very Special Old Fitz, but if you want a good wheater at a good price, get some Weller Special Reserve or 12-year-old.

If you're going to spend $33 for VSOF, spend a little more and get a Van Winkle.

The two Tennessee whiskeys not only don't contain wheat, they barely contain any rye either, much less than the average rye-recipe bourbon, on the order of about 8%.

funknik
11-18-2008, 03:45
If you're just trying to get some things you haven't had, $33 is a fair price for a Very Special Old Fitz, but if you want a good wheater at a good price, get some Weller Special Reserve or 12-year-old.

If you're going to spend $33 for VSOF, spend a little more and get a Van Winkle.

The two Tennessee whiskeys not only don't contain wheat, they barely contain any rye either, much less than the average rye-recipe bourbon, on the order of about 8%.

I just finished off a bottle of Weller S Reserve 7 yr last night -- very tasty, I'm definitely acquiring a taste for it. Sadly, Van Winkle isn't available anywhere near where I live....the New England selection seems to be pretty thin.

As for the lack of rye in Dickel, this is what promted me to assume (dirty word) incorrectly that wheat was the secondary grain. Thanks for the info.

funknik
11-30-2008, 20:30
I cracked my bottle of this tonight and have decided that it is, indeed, worth it. I'll go pick up another bottle for the bunker while supplies last. I like the character that 12 years lends and the smooth sweetness of the wheat. This is a big winner.

funknik
12-19-2008, 13:31
VERY worth it.....if for nothing else than it's a ghost. I picked up all three bottles from the store I've been watching...I believe I've cleaned out all of the dust bottles in Portland now....have to start scouring in the smaller towns.