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GreggB
12-06-2008, 12:44
I am seeking confirmation, and more information, on a rumor I heard from a reliable and informed source.

The rumor is that Buffalo Trace is discontinuing Old Charter Proprietor's Reserve (the 13 year old OC), Hancock's President's Reserve, and Weller Centennial.

Does anybody know if this is true, and if so, why it is happening, or any other information about this?

kickert
12-06-2008, 13:23
It is my understanding Weller Centennial and OC PR have been discontinued for a while now. I have not heard anything about Hancock Reserve.

smokinjoe
12-06-2008, 14:29
It is my understanding Weller Centennial and OC PR have been discontinued for a while now. I have not heard anything about Hancock Reserve.

That's my understanding, too.

I'll add, that the only "news" I've heard regarding the Hancock was they were suppose to significantly lower the price of it from the $40's to under $30. I haven't seen this, however.

ggilbertva
12-06-2008, 16:07
You are correct, OCPR and Centennial have been discontinued.

Virus_Of_Life
12-06-2008, 17:00
I'd be curious to know if Hancock's is going to be discontinued. I really enjoy it in most instances, the barrel chosen by the place in Louisville, Liquor Barn I think(?), was an exception - it was weak. But most all standard Hancock's I have loved and would probably seek to lay some in the bunker if it was going away. If you hear anything more please advise. And as stated, yeah Centennial and OCPR are long gone, good luck finding any of them - especially the Centennial!

GreggB
12-07-2008, 19:57
Hi Christian --

I have received a bit more information.

It appears to be confirmed that the OC Proprietor's Reserve 13 year old and the Weller Centennial are discontinued.

No indication that the Hancock's is being discontinued, only the strange finding that it may be found in Kentucky exclusively at Liquor Barn in Louisville.

We do have Hancock's here in St. Louis in at least one store, although at the rather steep price of $60.

Gregg

kickert
12-07-2008, 20:42
No indication that the Hancock's is being discontinued, only the strange finding that it may be found in Kentucky exclusively at Liquor Barn in Louisville.

We do have Hancock's here in St. Louis in at least one store, although at the rather steep price of $60.

Gregg

They have tons of it at the Liquor Barn in Lexington as well. It is their hand picked bottles with their label on it and they are selling it for pretty cheap. Around $30 if I remember correctly.

jburlowski
12-08-2008, 18:05
The OCPR and the Weller Centennial are greatly missed. The Hancock not so much. It always struck me as an odd duck ---- particularly at the premium price point.

funknik
12-08-2008, 18:13
I found the one store in Maine that has the one remaining bottle of OCPR for $35 and I'm in debate about whether to pick it up or not -- it's about 40 min drive.

GreggB
12-08-2008, 19:06
I found the one store in Maine that has the one remaining bottle of OCPR for $35 and I'm in debate about whether to pick it up or not -- it's about 40 min drive.

Does it count as a "ghost whiskey"?

If so, then I would drive 40 minutes each way to get it.

Just be sure they are holding it under your name!!

Josh
12-09-2008, 07:19
Just to add fuel to the fire, the lit that BT sent to the MI Bourbon Hounds has Blanton's, Baby Saz, BT, ER 10 & WLW 12, but no Hancock, RHF, ELT or AA. I'm sure it means nothing, but on the other hand...

funknik
12-09-2008, 07:23
Does it count as a "ghost whiskey"?

If so, then I would drive 40 minutes each way to get it.

Just be sure they are holding it under your name!!

It would be 40 mins each way....the bottle's been on their shelf for 11 months and luckily is in a small backwoods place where I doubt many people go for top shelf whiskey. I'll track it down.

GreggB
12-09-2008, 07:50
They have tons of it at the Liquor Barn in Lexington as well. It is their hand picked bottles with their label on it and they are selling it for pretty cheap. Around $30 if I remember correctly.

Oops, my mistake. I meant Liquor Barn in Lexington, not Louisville. I don't even know if there is a Liquor Barn in Louisville.

To be clear: it is my understanding that Hancock's PR is exclusively sold (in Kentucky) at Liquor Barn in Lexington.

Sorry about the confusion.

GreggB
12-09-2008, 07:55
Just to add fuel to the fire, the lit that BT sent to the MI Bourbon Hounds has Blanton's, Baby Saz, BT, ER 10 & WLW 12, but no Hancock, RHF, ELT or AA. I'm sure it means nothing, but on the other hand...

Well, what does it mean?

The only information I have, now confirmed by two reliable sources outside SB, as well as several people here on SB, is that OCPR 13 yr old and Weller Centennial are discontinued.

I do not have any information one way or the other about Hancock's PR, RHF, ELT, or any other bottlings.

Does anyone here at SB have any information?

barturtle
12-09-2008, 08:09
Well, what does it mean?

Does anyone here at SB have any information?

I don't know what it all means (I knew I should have taken more philosophy course is school), but I do know that it never hurts to have a couple of everything stocked away in the bunker.

Josh
12-09-2008, 13:13
I don't know what it all means (I knew I should have taken more philosophy course is school), but I do know that it never hurts to have a couple of everything stocked away in the bunker.

If only my wife had this philosophy! :grin:

Stickeng
12-09-2008, 16:23
Oops, my mistake. I meant Liquor Barn in Lexington, not Louisville. I don't even know if there is a Liquor Barn in Louisville.

To be clear: it is my understanding that Hancock's PR is exclusively sold (in Kentucky) at Liquor Barn in Lexington.

Sorry about the confusion.

Hancock is available on Long Island and in Brooklyn. I purchased a bottle of
Hancock about two months ago in Suffolk County, LI.

I also have a bottle of the Weller Centennial bought on LI.

cowdery
12-09-2008, 20:49
I know every bourbon is precious, but Buffalo Trace has so many different bottlings it's hard to mourn too hard when they make some line adjustments. If you miss Weller Centennial, what's Old Rip Van Winkle? A 10-year-old Buffalo Trace wheated bourbon. Okay, the proof's different. I know, I know, I know.

The term "ghost whiskey" has been bouncing around. I don't know that I've ever used that term so I can only guess what it might mean, but I would make a major distinction between a discontinued label from a prolific, existing distillery and a product from a distillery that is no longer in operation, like Stitzel-Weller or Heaven Hill's original Bardstown plant. I tend to care about those, but discontinued labels not so much.

gothbat
12-10-2008, 08:44
As per BT Hancock's President's Reserve is still in production. Just thought I'd pass it on.

GreggB
12-10-2008, 10:10
The term "ghost whiskey" has been bouncing around. I don't know that I've ever used that term so I can only guess what it might mean, but I would make a major distinction between a discontinued label from a prolific, existing distillery and a product from a distillery that is no longer in operation, like Stitzel-Weller or Heaven Hill's original Bardstown plant. I tend to care about those, but discontinued labels not so much.

It is my understanding that a "ghost whiskey" refers to one from a distillery no longer in operation. At least, that's how I've seen the term used in discussion/descriptions of scotch whisky from closed distilleries.

If the term cannot/should not be applied to a discontinued item from an operating distillery, then we need a new term.

Suggestions?

gblick
12-10-2008, 12:45
It is my understanding that a "ghost whiskey" refers to one from a distillery no longer in operation. At least, that's how I've seen the term used in discussion/descriptions of scotch whisky from closed distilleries.

If the term cannot/should not be applied to a discontinued item from an operating distillery, then we need a new term.

Suggestions?How about "discontinued whiskey"?

Josh
12-10-2008, 13:46
How about "discontinued whiskey"?

How about Zombie Whiskey?

barturtle
12-10-2008, 13:50
How about "vhiskey vou vill neva haf"?

Lost Pollito
12-10-2008, 15:23
Or... The " Anyone- caught- flippin- this- lost-treat- on e-bay- for- a ridiculous- price- will - be -punished - by -the -whiskey- gods" Whisky. :smiley_acbt:

cowdery
12-10-2008, 15:39
"Discontinued expression" would be the clearest term for the examples you gave.

callmeox
12-10-2008, 20:46
How about "vhiskey vou vill neva haf"?

:grin:

(Clang!)

fishnbowljoe
12-11-2008, 00:28
Bourbon? We ain't got no bourbon. We don't need no bourbon. I don't have to show you any steenking bourbon!

GreggB
12-11-2008, 18:56
"Discontinued expression" would be the clearest term for the examples you gave.

Sounds good to me.

Maybe we don't need a third term for a third class of "discontinued-by-some-means" bourbon, but on the other hand, maybe we should enrich our own language of bourbon, our own jargon.

So, in addition to bourbons from no-longer-operating distilleries (those being "ghost bourbons"), and those bourbon bottlings dropped from the line of an operating distillery (those being "discontinued expressions"), what about a third category for those one-issue-each-year bourbons, such as the OFBB and the BT Antique Collection bourbons?

Thoughts, suggestions?

kickert
12-11-2008, 19:16
Sounds good to me.

Maybe we don't need a third term for a third class of "discontinued-by-some-means" bourbon, but on the other hand, maybe we should enrich our own language of bourbon, our own jargon.

So, in addition to bourbons from no-longer-operating distilleries (those being "ghost bourbons"), and those bourbon bottlings dropped from the line of an operating distillery (those being "discontinued expressions"), what about a third category for those one-issue-each-year bourbons, such as the OFBB and the BT Antique Collection bourbons?

Thoughts, suggestions?

Speciality bottlings / limited release

barturtle
12-11-2008, 21:41
what about a third category for those one-issue-each-year bourbons, such as the OFBB and the BT Antique Collection bourbons?

Thoughts, suggestions?

Those are annuals of course...just like flowers

GreggB
03-02-2009, 20:40
I did find 3 bottles of Centennial in an out-of-the-way store, but I just bought two of them.

Something must be wrong with me ...

libertybar
03-02-2009, 21:41
Hi Christian --
It appears to be confirmed that the OC Proprietor's Reserve 13 year old and the Weller Centennial are discontinued.
Gregg

The next question (and I have not finished reading all four pages of replies, so this question may be answered), is what will they do with the stock? Or, is the stock depleted?

cowdery
03-03-2009, 09:10
Using the available whiskey, of whatever age, in the most profitable way is the whole point of the exercise. They are discontinuing less profitable products so they can use the whiskey they have in more profitable products.