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Squash
01-09-2009, 11:26
I was checking out some of the smaller liquor stores in the area and I came across an older bottle (short and stout, plastic screw-top) of Eagle Rare 10/101. It was right in front of the newer bottles (wine style, cork).

Was this a dusty score or just a less fancy bottling of the same whiskey?

funknik
01-09-2009, 11:33
I was checking out some of the smaller liquor stores in the area and I came across an older bottle (short and stout, plastic screw-top) of Eagle Rare 10/101. It was right in front of the newer bottles (wine style, cork).

Was this a dusty score or just a less fancy bottling of the same whiskey?
You should have grabbed that, dude....some people on here would love to find one of those. Go back!

mozilla
01-09-2009, 11:35
Doesn't anyone use the search function anymore?

I couldn't count the number of threads that pertain to Eagle Rare. Seems like someone just brought it up the other day???

There are thousands of awesome discussions that have taken place here on SB. Newbies should try reading a few of them. I am not just trying to be a dick. Really! There are lots of great threads here to read and research, before just blerting something out. Have some decorum.

funknik
01-09-2009, 11:49
Don't let that bother you....major dusty score. Where in the USA are you?

mozilla
01-09-2009, 12:06
Just so you won't think I'm a complete jerk...a quick search of Eagle Rare turned up 722 posts.

smokinjoe
01-09-2009, 12:18
Some very good juice there, Squash. If you get a chance to go back, definitely do, and pick it up. That would be considered a fine dusty to have. Also, where there's one dusty, there's usually more. :) Maybe some BHC's, WT12's, or OFBIB's. Ah, my heart flutters just to think about it. :D

callmeox
01-09-2009, 12:19
Grab it.

It's good stuff for sure.

A+

Squash
01-09-2009, 12:51
I did grab it. Thanks guys.

Is the whiskey in the bottle different than the new version?

I live in Goshen, Indiana.

I search on this forum all the time, but sometimes you just want simple answers to simple questions in a timely manner, so thanks again to all those who helped.

craigthom
01-09-2009, 12:57
I search on this forum all the time, but sometimes you just want simple answers to simple questions in a timely manner, so thanks again to all those who helped.

Just so mozilla doesn't sound like a lone voice, I have to respond to this. It's one thing to be ignorant of the search function; it's another to know about it but not be bothered to spend the time using it.

I can't imagine that leave a message and waiting for a reply would be quicker than searching. I can, however, imagine that leaving a message and waiting for a reply would consume less of my time while consuming more of the time of others.

hjminard
01-09-2009, 13:43
Congrats on your score ... let us know how you like it.

birdman1099
01-09-2009, 14:08
I have been looking for one of those for a while !!!

Nice score !!!! (wanna trade????):grin:

ggilbertva
01-09-2009, 14:22
First, the Eagle Rare is a great bourbon. Pick it up and enjoy it. Let us know the bottling date (two digit number found on the bottom of the bottle)

Second, using the search function answered many questions I had early on. There's nothing wrong with asking a question but I would suggest to anyone that asking a question to fill in the gaps of information is appropriate.

Squash
01-09-2009, 21:04
There are many numbers on the bottom of the bottle, but the only two-digit number appears to be 02. Does that make sense?

There was also some Old Forester 86 proof, $14, that seems to be of an older bottling than that currently on sale in most stores. Is this good whiskey?

birdman1099
01-10-2009, 05:08
Ok...... Where does it say it was distilled? Frankfort, New Orleans, or Lawrenceburg?

And which one does it look like?

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2/Birdman1099/ER101Lawrenceburg.jpg


or


http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2/Birdman1099/ER101Frankfort.jpg

Hondo
01-10-2009, 06:38
I am not just trying to be a dick. Really!

Really? :rolleyes:


I participate in a whole bunch of different forums and I occasionally see a rant like this. If you really think about it... once forum has been in effect for a few years you could say that much of what is being discussed has at some point been discussed before. So should nobody post a new question in fear of asking something that may have been previously discussed? :bowdown:

Maybe a better avenue would be to simply ignore the post if it stresses you out that much? :cool:

Squash
01-10-2009, 07:30
Mine is the second (bottom) picture.

It says "Bottled by Old Prentice Company, Frankfort, KY."

kickert
01-10-2009, 07:41
Really? Because you succeeded beyond your wildest dreams! Congrats! :rolleyes:


I participate in a whole bunch of different forums and I occasionally see a rant like this. If you really think about it... once forum has been in effect for a few years you could say that much of what is being discussed has at some point been discussed before. So should nobody post a new question in fear of asking something that may have been previously discussed? :bowdown:

Maybe a better avenue would be to simply ignore the post if it stresses you out that much. :cool:

I was going to avoid this conversation on the finer points of "netiquette" but I have given in and will make some general comments.

First, forums are not primarily for the collection of knowledge, they are for the discussion of topics. Just because something has been discussed before, does not make it inappropriate to discuss it again. However, it is polite to see if another thread on the topic already exists. On the other side, if you are looking to a forum specifically for information collection, then it would be courteous to first see if the information you are looking for has already been covered. If it is then problem solved, if not, then by all means ask your question.

Therefore...

1.) Starting a thread on bourbon balls would be appropriate. Although it has been discussed before, there is no currently open thread.

2.) Starting a thread on the best whiskey you have ever had would be inappropriate because a similar thread is already available.

3.) Starting a thread to ask what Bonded / Bottled in Bond means would be inappropriate because it has been covered ad nauseum and the answer is easily available.

4.) Starting a thread to ask why 750ml is the standard whiskey size would be appropriate because (as far as I can tell) it has not been covered.

In sum....

If you are looking to start conversation, be polite and make sure the topic is not already there... otherwise, go for it. That is why we come here, to discuss bourbon.
If you are looking to ask a question, be polite and make sure it isn't easily accessible. At least take the 30 seconds required to do a cursory search.

Hint: I have always found it is better to tag onto an existing thread if possible rather than start a new one. This does two things. 1.) it makes information easier to find. 2.) it revives threads that others may have forgotten about / not known about, which then keep discussion going.

Thoughts?

OscarV
01-10-2009, 07:45
Hint: I have always found it is better to tag onto an existing thread if possible rather than start a new one. This does two things. 1.) it makes information easier to find. 2.) it revives threads that others may have forgotten about / not known about, which then keep discussion going.

Thoughts?

This is a good idea, I and others here have revived old threads and this puts them out front again and the information gets seen by newbies and others that may have missed it the first go 'round.

kickert
01-10-2009, 07:46
This is a good idea, I and others here have revived old threads and this puts them out front again and the information gets seen by newbies and others that may have missed it the first go 'round.
yeah... that is what I was trying to say

Attila
01-10-2009, 08:15
Was this a dusty score or just a less fancy bottling of the same whiskey?

I often face the same questions you do, Squash, as there are very many dusties that come up for auction here in Japan.

As a matter of fact, earlier this evening, I saw a bottle that looks just like the one you mentioned and I wondered how different the juice was from what is currently produced. However, I have already blown through my bourbon purchasing budget all the way through March-end, I didnt make the purchase.

hjminard
01-10-2009, 08:34
First, forums are not primarily for the collection of knowledge, they are for the discussion of topics. Just because something has been discussed before, does not make it inappropriate to discuss it again


You had me up to here ...

... the rest registered as :27::27: rules and restrictions :27::27:.

;)

Seriously, though ... it took me about 5-10 seconds to read and understand Squash's original post. It takes much longer to respond and complain than it does ignore it and move along (assuming disinterest).

Really I see this thread as more of an excited "hey, look what I found ... thought I'd share" with a question thrown in for validation. I don't think someone should be expected to dig through old Eagle Rare threads before sharing their small victory. "Dusty" threads are a mainstay on StraightBourbon, and fun to read. The OP's uncertainty about the legitimacy of their find does not make it a post of lesser value.

Just one guy's opinion, anyway ...

Prost! :toast:

craigthom
01-10-2009, 08:36
I found some bottles like the second one a year or so ago. I came to SB.com and found out all about them. I bought some. I posted about it here in an existing "dusty finds" thread.

It was easy enough to find out about the Lawrenceburg/New Orleans/Frankfort origins, when the 10/101 was discontinued, and even when it was release.

It didn't prevent conversation, because I did post about it. I just didn't ask others to provide information that I knew must be here somewhere.

Sometimes information is here but it's darned tough to dig up. I know that's not the case with the ER 10/101 because I've done it myself.

kickert
01-10-2009, 08:54
You had me up to here ...

... the rest registered as :27::27: rules and restrictions :27::27:.

;)

Seriously, though ... it took me about 5-10 seconds to read and understand Squash's original post. It takes much longer to respond and complain than it does ignore it and move along (assuming disinterest).

Really I see this thread as more of an excited "hey, look what I found ... thought I'd share" with a question thrown in for validation. I don't think someone should be expected to dig through old Eagle Rare threads before sharing their small victory. "Dusty" threads are a mainstay on StraightBourbon, and fun to read. The OP's uncertainty about the legitimacy of their find does not make it a post of lesser value.

Just one guy's opinion, anyway ...

Prost! :toast:

I don't disagree with you.

To be perfectly honest I am addicted to SB.com and read every new post. Since I have never had ER101, I could not comment on the bourbon, but by discussing the nuances of the forum I am able to contribute.

Did the OP get me worked up? not at all. Was I bored and simply wanted to contribute to a discussion? absolutely!!

smokinjoe
01-10-2009, 08:54
Pointing a guy to an appropriate open thread is one thing. Ranting about it, right off the bat, is another.

ggilbertva
01-10-2009, 15:02
There are many numbers on the bottom of the bottle, but the only two-digit number appears to be 02. Does that make sense?

There was also some Old Forester 86 proof, $14, that seems to be of an older bottling than that currently on sale in most stores. Is this good whiskey?

Squash,

Focus on the number that makes most sense. For instance, if you see a 53 on the bottom but there's also a UPC on the label, then you know it's not 1953. The 02 on your bottle is in line with the Frankfort, KY bottling. I have a bottle from '03 open right now and it's very good.

Regarding the Old Forester 86 pf, it's a good whiskey that get's better the older it is. I have a handle from 1984 that's very very good. I've had some from the mid 90's that were good....not great. So, check out the bottom of the bottle.

If you're getting into dusty hunting (which really is a lot of fun), read the Collectibles forum....there's tons of info in there that will help you determine the rarity of a dusty bottle. Feel free to PM me if you have additional questions.

Good luck.....

Rughi
01-10-2009, 15:07
...Regarding the Old Forester 86 pf, it's a good whiskey that get's better the older it is. I have a handle from 1980 that's very very good. I've had some from the mid 90's that were good....not great. So, check out the bottom of the bottle...

I might as well contract Greg to be a spokesman for me. His tastes are so very often right in line with mine. I posted in another thread (http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=154425&postcount=8) about some tell tale signs of Forester eras.

I haven't opened an 86er for some time, but in writing this, I am reminded that the 86 and the Bond had (have?) distinctly different profiles other than just proof, and that I often preferred the profile of the 86er to the Bond.

Roger

ggilbertva
01-10-2009, 15:31
Roger,

I just read that other thread. Nice line up on those Old Foresters. I have handles and liters that I've picked up in my dusty hunting in MD and DC. The oldest one I have is 1959 BIB that is superlative, then I have 1980 and newer.

Just last night I drank some Old Forester BIB from 1980 and thoroughly enjoyed it. Now I'm thinking of taking a pour from the 86p handle.

Don't know about you, but sometimes just these types of discussions dictate my drinking selection that day. :cool:

correction: The handle stated above is 1984....not 1980....by bad.

Rughi
01-10-2009, 15:55
Just last night I drank some Old Forester BIB from 1980 and thoroughly enjoyed it. Now I'm thinking of taking a pour from the 86p handle.

Don't know about you, but sometimes just these types of discussions dictate my drinking selection that day. :cool:

I'm feeling thirsty for a certain strip-stamped 86er myself...

I think the oldest Bond I have right now was bottled in 71 or 73, but I've been fortunate enough to taste several from previous decades. It was all good.

You being fortunate enough to hang out with Howie, who knows what he may have brought around. Until recently I had a sample of a 52-59 Bond from a tasting he brought with him when he, Doug and I were batchin' it up in New Haven that was really, really satisfying. My notes from it were "satisfying rye tingle, most 'modern' of the group, least piney." Make you wonder what the others in the flight were?

Roger

ggilbertva
01-10-2009, 16:03
I'm feeling thirsty for a certain strip-stamped 86er myself...

I think the oldest Bond I have right now was bottled in 71 or 73, but I've been fortunate enough to taste several from previous decades. It was all good.

You being fortunate enough to hang out with Howie, who knows what he may have brought around. Until recently I had a sample of a 52-59 Bond from a tasting he brought with him when he, Doug and I were batchin' it up in New Haven that was really, really satisfying. My notes from it were "satisfying rye tingle, most 'modern' of the group, least piney." Make you wonder what the others in the flight were?

Roger

I was just at Howie's place about two weeks ago. He brought out an Old Fitz 86p from '78. Delicious is all I can say. Doug(dog) was in town not too long ago and brought 18 or so choice bottles of various bourbons with him (my fav was a Castle era Old Taylor BIB...Fantastic). It was a fun time. The Old Forester sample you had is probably from the same bottle Howie shared with me which is why I went on the hunt for a similar bottle. To say Howie has a silly/crazy collection would be an understatement.

mozilla
01-11-2009, 07:45
Really? :rolleyes:


I participate in a whole bunch of different forums and I occasionally see a rant like this. If you really think about it... once forum has been in effect for a few years you could say that much of what is being discussed has at some point been discussed before. So should nobody post a new question in fear of asking something that may have been previously discussed? :bowdown:

Maybe a better avenue would be to simply ignore the post if it stresses you out that much? :cool:


It doesn't stress me out...IT, frustrates me that most of our members take bourbon seriously and do our diligent research, while some others think it our responsability to be their private tutor. If the OP had taken only a few minutes to look...he would have seen a thread almost identical, posted a few days earlier.

Why should we feel obligated to spoon feed answeres to people who are too lazy to do their own research? I have noticed a patern with people like this...they just keep posting the same obviouse questions. How is this, what's the value of that, have you seen this(current bottle). Simple questions with very obvios answeres.

I think it is rude and disrespectful to the real bourbon freeks on this site. It is called "decorum". Act like you respect the other members. Read before you write. Find a friend on the site and ask potentially easy questions to them. This is a discussion board for bourbon, yes. Not a board for spoon feeding lazy people. Memebers have personally spent hundreds of hours researching, tasting, reading, visiting distilleries, discussing and more. That knowledge took alot of time to gain. The OP thinks it's his right to plunder this knowledge and is rude in demanding we smile while he does it. Many of the longstanding members that were here when I arrived have departed because of situations such as this.

I was calling this type of behavior to the forefront because it is rude and disrespectful to members interested in discussing whisky. Most answeres are already in the archives. How many times does a person need to repeat them?

mozilla
01-11-2009, 07:56
I search on this forum all the time, but sometimes you just want simple answers to simple questions in a timely manner, so thanks again to all those who helped.


This is so rude and the example of which I spoke. :skep:

MJL
01-11-2009, 08:22
Although, I tend to agree the search feature ought to be used first I think I have to point out an obvious problem with the search feature that may not be too obvious to those who have been here for some time.

There is an almost Bourbon-specific language in use on this site that is incomprehensible to the occasional poster who is looking to do research on a find. Look at any thread here and you will find a confusing array of acronyms, slang and pet words being used to describe product. The search feature fails in the light of this behavior. You will notice, when I found some Eagle Rare 101 proof in November I went out of my way to include the complete name of the product in my header and in the body of my post so as to allow a road map, via the search feature, to allow others to follow in my footsteps. Indeed, I even included close up, in depth photos of the bottles to illustrate what they look like for the benefit of those who might be looking at that post down the road to use it as a guide to find their own. As a relative newbie to this site I have spent hours trying to decipher posts as to their meanings. I notice there is even an acronym translation guide on this site to assist in this decryption. Personally, I think the use of standard English; rather than acronyms, abbreviations, pet words and slang to describe things here would make this site MUCH more usable to everyone involved; the initiated and uninitiated. Until then, rather than spending hours (like I have) learning the slang and pet words please do not be surprised when posters show up here confused by the search feature (like I was and often still am) and just post a question. Just my thoughts!

smokinjoe
01-11-2009, 08:43
Mo, while I agree with much that you say, and that we all could utilize the "search" function more, you really need to use the "Ignore" function, if you don't like a post from someone. First, it was your problem with the PR & C, and you ranted about that. Why you felt compelled to read it, and not ignore it when it irritated you so, I still wonder about. You opined that you only wanted the site to contain "bourbon" information and questions. Now, this is the second flaming you've given a new member in the last couple of months because their "bourbon" question didn't meet your muster. You may not want to waste your valuable knowledge on certain questions, so DON'T. Maybe, someone else will be more than happy to answer up. LET THEM. It's a discussion board. Let people discuss. If you've already discussed, or aren't interested in the topic, don't engage, and go back to doing the things that bring enjoyment to you.

mozilla
01-11-2009, 08:55
Thanks Joe,
I welcome eveyones input on this subject.

This is not about whether or not I like or don't like a post or thread. It is about behavior on the site.

Laziness and constant flooding of an area with threads is not acceptable on a community site, IMO. I am not all fired up...just concerned about behavior in the group.

Persons who refuse to get involved by reading and learning are not members in good standing.

Persons who find it necessary to continually post threads with hardly more than a link somewhere else...bring little to this community.

While, I can alway use the ignore button to alleviate my concerns, internally. It does not change the fact that it is still going on in reality.

Do I think these people should be flogged....No. Do I think that there should be some restraint and self moderation when posting a thread to the community as a whole YES.

And Yes, I come here for bourbon and the friends I have made here. I don't usually post in topics that don't interest me. I try not to waste the valuable time of the others on this site. Unlike, some who think we could not go more than five minutes without hearing one of their thoughts.

callmeox
01-11-2009, 08:55
Perhaps a PM to someone who violates your forum standards would be a better avenue for starters? Grandstanding in a thread only makes one look like the forum police (when there are those who actually have that job here).

Just IMO

spun_cookie
01-11-2009, 09:05
Anyone want to buy a Monkey?

:D

mozilla
01-11-2009, 09:13
Perhaps a PM to someone who violates your forum standards would be a better avenue for starters? Grandstanding in a thread only makes one look like the forum police (when there are those who actually have that job here).

Just IMO

Give me a break...Grandstanding?

So, a person can't express concerns without being labeled a grandstander?

It's not always easy to get thorough thoughts across in writing short posts. So, I believe your assessment is a little premature.

Skunk
01-11-2009, 09:41
Anyone want to buy a Monkey?

:D

I'd be afraid it would get into my bourbon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gptmuzBhdc&feature=related
The vBulletin search function can be frustrating IMHO. When I first got here I did a lot of searching, but mostly using google, e.g.:
"eagle rare" site:straightbourbon.com
ER101 site:straightbourbon.com

craigthom
01-11-2009, 09:47
The search function can be frustrating, and it can fail to pull up things that you just know in here somewhere.

I don't think anyone would complain about someone asking a question that they couldn't find the answer to.

callmeox
01-11-2009, 11:45
Give me a break...Grandstanding?

So, a person can't express concerns without being labeled a grandstander?

It's not always easy to get thorough thoughts across in writing short posts. So, I believe your assessment is a little premature.

Think of it in the context of making a mistake at work. Would you rather have someone approach you individually to point out the error would you prefer that you hear about it for the first time during a meeting with many others?

polyamnesia
01-11-2009, 11:46
well, back to the topic!:grin:

i wish I me me me NOW could find a bottle of this!

would love to hear the notes/impressions you had since you did pick it up...right?

shyster512
01-11-2009, 14:38
You may not want to waste your valuable knowledge on certain questions, so DON'T. Maybe, someone else will be more than happy to answer up. LET THEM. It's a discussion board. Let people discuss. If you've already discussed, or aren't interested in the topic, don't engage, and go back to doing the things that bring enjoyment to you.

My sentiments exactly.