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DeanSheen
01-15-2009, 08:00
Hello all. I've come to the dark side and have been compiling starter bottle lists off the site for a few days.

My story.

Been drinking Irish whiskey, scotch and tequila for years. Every year around the holidays I get a whiskey related gift. Last year it was Michael Jacksons Whiskey book, this year it was a pair of proper Waterford crystal tumblers and a copy of Whisky mag. Also my in laws in England always send me a bottle of Scotch for Christmas.

Anyways I've always stayed away from Bourbon except for the last year when I have occasionally sampled around.

Was down in South Beach over New Years hanging out at our hotel which had no Irish whiskey and a lousy scotch collection. Id already had the only tequila I was interested in so the bartender suggested some Woodford Reserve. Ok, fine, I'll have a bourbon. Tasted it and was immediately reminded of Red Breast which I love. After I got home I researched it and found out that Woodford is a pot still like Readbreast which accounts for the similarities but it's 20 bucks a bottle cheaper which is nice.

So I ran down to the store today and grabbed a bottle of Woodford. The store I go to in Cleveland here didn't have any of the bourbons I had been reading about so I had to come home and order a couple off the net.

I am eagerly awaiting bottles of:

Van Winkle Family Reserve, 13 Years Old

http://www.whiskymag.com/whisky/brand/van_winkle/whisky4354.html

&

Bernheim Original Straight Wheat Whiskey

http://www.whiskymag.com/whisky/brand/bernheim/whisky3121.html

kickert
01-15-2009, 08:28
welcome aboard. I think WR is a fine starter bourbon. Some complain it is too one deminsional, but I think it hard to find anything objectionable in it.

I am curious what your starter (wish) list looks like now.

-bk

DeanSheen
01-15-2009, 08:59
welcome aboard. I think WR is a fine starter bourbon. Some complain it is too one deminsional, but I think it hard to find anything objectionable in it.

I am curious what your starter (wish) list looks like now.

-bk

This is what I have so far with only about 8 hours or so spent on site.

~DS

Evan Williams Single Barrel Bourbon
Fighting Cock
WL Weller 12yo
Old Granddad 114
Van Winkle 107

kickert
01-15-2009, 09:53
This is what I have so far with only about 8 hours or so spent on site.

~DS

Evan Williams Single Barrel Bourbon
Fighting Cock
WL Weller 12yo
Old Granddad 114
Van Winkle 107

Looks like a good list. EWSB is one of my favorites coming out of HH
FC is in your face, but in my opinion a great rye pour
Weller 12 is my personal favorite
OGD 114 has a strong bunch of followers
ORVW10/107 is really good, I like the 12 Lot B better, but for a 10 yo you can't beat the character this one puts out.

spun_cookie
01-15-2009, 10:07
Welcome aboard... lots of great juice out there you will find soon. Everman from this site is in your neck of the woods. PM him and he can give you the low down on where to get the best bourbon in Ohio...

DeanSheen
01-15-2009, 10:10
Thanks Kikcert.

As luck would....or wouldnt have it my internet supplier was out of the VWFR 13 which I was really looking forward to trying. My brother in law is really into Ryes as he is Canadian and I was hoping for a treat for both of us.

I attempted to substitute for ORVW 10/107 but they were out of that too so they are sending me the ORVW 12 Lot B instead. I was actually shying away from that one because I read several differing opinions on it through various threads but I guess I get to find out for myself. :grin:

callmeox
01-15-2009, 10:53
Welcome to the site from another Clevelander. What part of town are you in? I'm on the edge of the snow belt in Willowick.

Of your initial list, only the EWSB is available in Ohio.

For a list of what's available in Ohio, check out

http://www.com.ohio.gov/liqr/

Under More Services you will find a link for Spiritous Liquor Brands and Prices. The site is pretty backwards compared to other states (like PA) but it will let you know what you can ask your local state store about.

If you're looking for a good internet source, try Binny's Beverage Depot. The state has some restrictive rules and limits for importing spirits, but all of the big boys will ship here.

DeanSheen
01-15-2009, 11:29
Thanks Callmeox.

I know a bit about Ohios horrible liquor laws. I have friend that is in the wine import business who has explained some of the complexities to me. In addition to getting my hands on small vintage Itallian wines I have been able to sample some fine Grappas but I digress.

I live right by Edgewater Park which is about 3 miles to the Browns stadium via. the Shoreway.

Blitz
01-15-2009, 11:51
Welcome from a fellow new member. This site is a great resource of information. You have already gotten some good advice. All you have to do here is ask. Here's a great example:
http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11456&page=3

Woodford reserve was about the fourth bourbon I bought, after Buffalo Trace, Knob Creek, Evan Williams SB '98. I liked all those better. The WR was good, just unremarkable in my opinion.

Looking forward to your posts. :grin:

unclebunk
01-15-2009, 12:00
Hello all. I've come to the dark side and have been compiling starter bottle lists off the site for a few days.

My story.

Been drinking Irish whiskey, scotch and tequila for years. Every year around the holidays I get a whiskey related gift. Last year it was Michael Jacksons Whiskey book, this year it was a pair of proper Waterford crystal tumblers and a copy of Whisky mag. Also my in laws in England always send me a bottle of Scotch for Christmas.

Anyways I've always stayed away from Bourbon except for the last year when I have occasionally sampled around.

Was down in South Beach over New Years hanging out at our hotel which had no Irish whiskey and a lousy scotch collection. Id already had the only tequila I was interested in so the bartender suggested some Woodford Reserve. Ok, fine, I'll have a bourbon. Tasted it and was immediately reminded of Red Breast which I love. After I got home I researched it and found out that Woodford is a pot still like Readbreast which accounts for the similarities but it's 20 bucks a bottle cheaper which is nice.

So I ran down to the store today and grabbed a bottle of Woodford. The store I go to in Cleveland here didn't have any of the bourbons I had been reading about so I had to come home and order a couple off the net.

I am eagerly awaiting bottles of:

Van Winkle Family Reserve, 13 Years Old

http://www.whiskymag.com/whisky/brand/van_winkle/whisky4354.html

&

Bernheim Original Straight Wheat Whiskey

http://www.whiskymag.com/whisky/brand/bernheim/whisky3121.html


Welcome Dean! That's a nice list for starters. You've really got to check out the Binny's Beverage Depot web site. They've got a great selection, good prices and even have a "whiskey hotline" that you can call for some excellent advice. Happy hunting!

P.S.--I've got English in-laws as well but those cheapskates have never once sent me a bottle of scotch for Christmas! What gives?

DeanSheen
01-15-2009, 12:33
Well that sucks Bunk! Your gonna have to bust you in-laws chops a bit on that one.

The last two bottles they sent me were:

Old Pulteney

http://www.whiskymag.com/whisky/brand/old_pulteney/whisky1205.html

Arran

http://www.whiskymag.com/whisky/brand/isle_of_arran/whisky2306.html

The salt in the Old Pulteney really threw me off as I wasnt expecting it. I actually preferred the Arran.

I keep reading about Bunkers you guys have. Well 2 years ago we were in London for Christmas and I went down to the cellar of Harrods for a glass of wine and perused the liquor section. Talk about Bunkers ... that was a damn impressive collection they have down there.

http://www.harrods.com/HarrodsStore/find/c/winesandspirits

fishnbowljoe
01-15-2009, 16:18
Welcome DS. It's great to have you aboard. Seems like you got a lot of help so far, so I won't add much. The only thing I will say, is that you have to be a little careful around Scott. (callmeox) He can be a bad influence on your wallet if you're not paying attention :slappin:
But seriously, Scott's a good guy, and I'm sure he won't lead you too far astray. For that matter, all the people here, as a group, are great. Hope you have some fun. Enjoy. Joe

PS The wallet thing is an inside joke that I'm sure you'll hear about if you're around awhile.

DeanSheen
01-15-2009, 16:31
DO you guys ever go on field trips?

I have been wanting to go to a Whisky mag gathering for some time now, just never made it. I see that the one in NY,NY this year is on a Monday.

I havent asked the wife if she would like to drive down to KY which is about 6 hours from here but I dont think she would be into it since she is a city girl.

smokinjoe
01-16-2009, 15:32
Welcome aboard, DS. Dang nice list you have as a starter, and I think you are really going to like the Lot B. Particularly, this year's release.
The best, and I mean the BEST roadtrip you can take is to Bardstown, KY during Sampler in April, or the KBF in September. No matter where you're from, or what your background, the great folks in the Commonwealth will make ya'll feel most welcome. Plus, you got US!!! Always friends at the Gazebo!!
BTW, I was born in Cleveland, but was unfamiliar with Edgewater Park. So while checking it out in my Atlas I noticed it's relatively close to "Whiskey Island" on the Lake. I had never heard of that, either. Sounds like the perfect place for you Clevelanders to get together for a get together.

callmeox
01-16-2009, 18:26
Field trips? As Joe mentioned, there's the events in Bardstown in April and September. You should also check out the whiskey fest in Chicago in early April. Along with the official event that Malt Advocate puts on, there are other gatherings at some righteous whiskey bars and such.

For local stuff, one of my favorite haunts in Euclid holds periodic malt and general whiskey tastings. They will have a whiskeys of the world tasting on the schedule shortly.

DeanSheen
01-17-2009, 11:15
Welcome aboard, DS. Dang nice list you have as a starter, and I think you are really going to like the Lot B. Particularly, this year's release.
The best, and I mean the BEST roadtrip you can take is to Bardstown, KY during Sampler in April, or the KBF in September. No matter where you're from, or what your background, the great folks in the Commonwealth will make ya'll feel most welcome. Plus, you got US!!! Always friends at the Gazebo!!
BTW, I was born in Cleveland, but was unfamiliar with Edgewater Park. So while checking it out in my Atlas I noticed it's relatively close to "Whiskey Island" on the Lake. I had never heard of that, either. Sounds like the perfect place for you Clevelanders to get together for a get together.

Well my Brother in Law in Colombus and I are now planning a trip early spring to KY so the April tasting may just work. Leave the women at home and hit the bricks!

Whiskey Island is named so because bootleggers from Canada used to drop off their loads there during prohibition. At present it is a state park, bar and marina. Our family has our boat there in drydock and it's a 5 minute trip door to door for us to launch the boat and get out on the lake. It's basically where I spend a large part of my summer, well that and Indians games and porches.... drinking!

DeanSheen
01-17-2009, 11:16
Field trips? As Joe mentioned, there's the events in Bardstown in April and September. You should also check out the whiskey fest in Chicago in early April. Along with the official event that Malt Advocate puts on, there are other gatherings at some righteous whiskey bars and such.

For local stuff, one of my favorite haunts in Euclid holds periodic malt and general whiskey tastings. They will have a whiskeys of the world tasting on the schedule shortly.

Thanks for the tip on Chicago. I thought last year Whisky mag did an event in NY,NY, Chicago and San Fran. I'll have to look that up again as I would be interested in attending that event.

What bar do you go to in Euclid?

DeanSheen
01-17-2009, 11:22
I unexpectedly had to go to Erie for a funeral Friday. So after I looked for a hotel I used the Penn LCB site to find a decent liquor store that was a mile down the road from the Hotel. They had the Pappy lot b for 49.99 but since I have a bottle coming via. mail I held off on that one. They also had a space for ORVW 20 for 89.99 but none were left.

Was just a small bit of the small batch bourbon on the shelves but I did leave with a bottle of Saz Rye and Weller Antique. I was disappointed they didnt have the Weller 12 but at least I left with something.

Got back home yesterday and the brother in law and I had a tasting with Saz Rye, Weller Antique and Woodford Reserve. We were blown away by the Saz and liked the Weller better than the Woodford. He had never tasted any of them before. My sister preferred the Woodford. After contrasting them I really noticed the brown sugar start to the Woodford and the sort of confectionary sugar finish.

Must say that little session there really opened my eyes and I can tell I'm going to be a hawk for the Rye. I liked the Weller Antique but am now really anxious to find out what 5 more years of aging tastes like. I'm betting it should be an enjoyable improvement!

callmeox
01-17-2009, 15:07
Thanks for the tip on Chicago. I thought last year Whisky mag did an event in NY,NY, Chicago and San Fran. I'll have to look that up again as I would be interested in attending that event.

What bar do you go to in Euclid?

It's called the Beach Club Bistro bcbistro.com

If you want to try some George T. Stagg, they're the only joint in Ohio to (legally) have the 2008 version behind the bar. I hooked the owner up when I made a special purchase through the Ohio DLC.

DeanSheen
01-25-2009, 12:32
Just found this on urban Ohio forums.

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So the downtown Boneyard location on Prospect & Huron has been bought. On February 20 will be the grand opening of "Forti's" (named after the new owner). All in all I think this is going to be a very positive move. Forti's tagline is "Bourbon, Beer, & Eatery". They will have 20 different types of premium bourbons on the menu. Also in addition to the 40 beers currently on tap at the boneyard they will add some "premium" beers all of which are 10% alcohol or greater. They are also going to expand their menu and be open for lunch... Seems like a pretty good deal to me.

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It is going to be a completely different place named Forti's. He actually purchased it awhile ago and had a certain amount of time he could operate under the boneyard name while he worked out the details. They are renovating the inside, though I'm not sure to what extent. They are keeping all 40 tap lines currently in place, and adding some additional "premium" beers. I would imagine the lunch service will start with the "grand opening" and official change over to Forti's on 2/20. But I didn't ask. you may want to call to make sure they have begun lunch service before treking over.

callmeox
01-25-2009, 19:53
The bourbon list will be interesting as I don't think that there are 20 "premium" bourbons available in Ohio unless they count different package sizes. :)

Thanks for the heads up.