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smokinjoe
04-08-2009, 13:49
The economy? Competition? Finances?

I hope this isn't a trend that spreads to other whiskies.

http://www.packagingdigest.com/articleXML/LN952159262.html

funknik
04-08-2009, 13:54
Fortnight? Who talks like that? :grin:

OscarV
04-08-2009, 14:07
The economy? Competition? Finances?

I hope this isn't a trend that spreads to other whiskies.


Maybe the American whiskey's are hurting our over the pond cousins.

Actually I wish there was a slow down in bourbon consumption so that we can get some better aged product, yes I am talking to you Wild Turkey.

Megawatt
04-08-2009, 15:13
Something smells like horsesh*t. Demand for Scotch has skyrocketed in India, China, and Russia in recent years and has driven up the price up practically all Diageo products in Canada. Some distilleries (Lagavulin) can hardly keep up with demand. If Chivas is halting production I'm inclined to think of it as a product specific to them and not the industry as a whole.

sku
04-08-2009, 15:27
Something smells like horsesh*t. Demand for Scotch has skyrocketed in India, China, and Russia in recent years and has driven up the price up practically all Diageo products in Canada. Some distilleries (Lagavulin) can hardly keep up with demand. If Chivas is halting production I'm inclined to think of it as a product specific to them and not the industry as a whole.

I don't know about that. Springbank recently cut back on production hours. It wouldn't be surprising if they were getting negative forecasts. It's true that prices are still high, but the Lagavulin consumer is a different beast than the Chivas consumer.

funknik
04-09-2009, 08:33
Fortnight? Who talks like that? :grin:
Ironically, my Google word of the day today was "Fortnight" . . . apparently someone thinks I need a little education!

I agree with Oscar about getting some well aged product out there, specifically Wild Turkey -- even their 10yr Russell's Reserve tastes suspiciously young.

As for Scotch, I'm not much of a fan, but it chaps my ass that the State of Maine boasts about having 75 single malt scotches and they offer less than 20 varieties of bourbon.

sku
04-09-2009, 09:34
Ironically, my Google word of the day today was "Fortnight" . . . apparently someone thinks I need a little education!

I agree with Oscar about getting some well aged product out there, specifically Wild Turkey -- even their 10yr Russell's Reserve tastes suspiciously young.

As for Scotch, I'm not much of a fan, but it chaps my ass that the State of Maine boasts about having 75 single malt scotches and they offer less than 20 varieties of bourbon.

Ouch. And 75 Scotches isn't really all that much to brag about, given that there are around 135 distilleries, plus blends and independent bottlers.

funknik
04-09-2009, 09:45
Ouch. And 75 Scotches isn't really all that much to brag about, given that there are around 135 distilleries, plus blends and independent bottlers.
Alright, I exaggerated . . . I went back and counted and got exactly 30 kinds (not including the dusties I sometimes find). Still, it sucks . . . most are mid-shelf or lower. Lots of Beam & WT.

Squash
04-09-2009, 11:19
Fortnight? Who talks like that? :grin:

The English.....

Lost Pollito
04-09-2009, 12:47
Alright, I exaggerated . . . I went back and counted and got exactly 30 kinds (not including the dusties I sometimes find). Still, it sucks . . . most are mid-shelf or lower. Lots of Beam & WT.
Well I'm spoiled. 700 different single malts on the shelf at Binnys. Perhaps the chivas announcement signals the end of whisky boom, and the start of whisky bust? Not sure what that'll do to prices, but I'm guessing nothing in the short term. The boys are getting loads of cash for young whisky right now. Octomore is 5 years old and retails for 190, pc7--140, and the new tobermory 15 is clocking in at 120. I'll snag a dram here and there, but I stick to buying bourbon based solely on price at the moment. Most expensive scotch...ardbeg double barrel for 20,000. Most expensive retail bourbon...William Heavenhill...500.

sku
04-09-2009, 12:59
Well I'm spoiled. 700 different single malts on the shelf at Binnys. Perhaps the chivas announcement signals the end of whisky boom, and the start of whisky bust? Not sure what that'll do to prices, but I'm guessing nothing in the short term. The boys are getting loads of cash for young whisky right now. Octomore is 5 years old and retails for 190, pc7--140, and the new tobermory 15 is clocking in at 120. I'll snag a dram here and there, but I stick to buying bourbon based solely on price at the moment. Most expensive scotch...ardbeg double barrel for 20,000. Most expensive retail bourbon...William Heavenhill...500.

Ardbeg Double Barrel is two bottles, plus glasses and a gun case, so it probably only comes to $9,950 per bottle...what a bargain. :skep:

The most expensive Scotch on the retail market by volume is probably the Macallan Lalique, which goes for $12,000 per bottle. The most expensive American whiskey may be Triple Eight's single malt Notch which goes for $888 per bottle.

Lost Pollito
04-09-2009, 13:07
Ardbeg Double Barrel is two bottles, plus glasses and a gun case, so it probably only comes to $9,950 per bottle...what a bargain. :skep:

The most expensive Scotch on the retail market by volume is probably the Macallan Lalique, which goes for $12,000 per bottle. The most expensive American whiskey may be Triple Eight's single malt Notch which goes for $888 per bottle.

Nice. I forgot the Lalique and its fancy leather case and decanter. The ardbeg even has leather bound books to register your tasting notes on. fancy.:rolleyes:

funknik
04-09-2009, 14:22
The ardbeg even has leather bound books to register your tasting notes on. fancy.

excerpt from my leatherbound tasting book:

This scotch tastes incredibly expensive . . . I can practically feel my bank account being emptied with every subsequent dram . . . note the rich character . . . he is now a poor character. . .

Lost Pollito
04-09-2009, 21:43
excerpt from my leatherbound tasting book:

This scotch tastes incredibly expensive . . . I can practically feel my bank account being emptied with every subsequent dram . . . note the rich character . . . he is now a poor character. . .
I admit that I've tasted double barrel, and it was really good. There are / were a total of 3 shipped to the U.S. for retail, so it is strictly collectable material. Haven't had the Lalique Mac, but I hear the Ardbeg is better. I liked the William Heavenhill more than Ardbeg.

AVB
04-14-2009, 17:55
The Balvenie 1964 Single Malt Scotch Whisky. Bottled exclusively for duty free retailer Sky Connection and now available at Hong Kong International Airport, each bottle is priced at HK$108,000 (7,100 GBP / US$14,200).

DeanSheen
04-14-2009, 18:52
I'm just imagining getting drunk on a 14k bottle of Scotch.

I think the stage in my mind is in Vegas with a couple of rented ladies. That would seem to be a setting that would partially justify the excess.

boss302
04-15-2009, 00:41
I'm just imagining getting drunk on a 14k bottle of Scotch.

I think the stage in my mind is in Vegas with a couple of rented ladies. That would seem to be a setting that would partially justify the excess.

... the ones that cost 5 digits an hour, I take it? :grin:

DeanSheen
04-15-2009, 06:51
"... the ones that cost 5 digits an hour, I take it?"

Naturally my dear Watson, naturally!

AVB
04-15-2009, 10:08
It was that bottle that stopped me collecting Balvenie. I was only missing 2, the 1951 Vintage Cask (93 bottles, 45yo) that I had a line on. The 1952 (50 yo 83 bottles) which I doubt I could afford at any time since it was $8K although I do know a place where I can get it for about $7K. $14K however, is never gonna happen so that ended it right there. In fact, $14K is more then the value of my entire collection at this point. Not much more but still......

pepcycle
04-15-2009, 10:18
I think that luxury spending is down all over the world in the last 6 months.

Even if I had the notion, I won't be spending $200/bottle for anything.

I'm tightening my belt.

BTW: Who was buying all that $$$$$ Scotch. Financial folk. Yes, the ones that were spending their 6 figure bonuses on cigars, cars, liquor etc.

PS: Interesting Scotch Information is an Oxymoron

AVB
04-15-2009, 10:41
It was interesting enough for you to read and comment on eh?




PS: Interesting Scotch Information is an Oxymoron

pepcycle
04-15-2009, 11:00
Exactly!!!
:skep: :skep: :skep: :skep:

Stu
04-15-2009, 12:21
If any of you are "Friends of Laphroaig" you know that they are discontinuing the 10 yr old and the 15 yr old. They're going to replace them with some of Robert's creations (i.e. various batches of whatever mood he's in) and an 18 yr old which I bet will be very pricey. I think Jim Beam is trying to make the finest single malt into the Old Crow of single malts! As to Chivas, I think the snob factor of Chivas is disappearing with the single malt boom. I use to have a friend who drank nothing but Chivas and coke. When my Chivas bottle ran out I filled it with a decent bulk scotch blend. He never knew the difference. (I hope you're not on this site.)

OscarV
04-15-2009, 16:06
John Hansell has reported that Laphroig is coming out with a 25yo and a cask strength.
Both sound sound good, but @ $500.00 for a bottle of the 25yo I doubt I'll get a taste.

AVB
04-15-2009, 19:43
The 25 yo cask strength has been available in the UK for some time now at about 225. Far less then $500 but then it is only a 700cl bottle.

augustgarage
04-16-2009, 09:03
The 25 yo cask strength has been available in the UK for some time now at about £225. Far less then $500 but then it is only a 700cl bottle.

Heh, that would be a great deal (70cl = 700mL) :grin:

The 18yo is likely to be priced at £50. If they gouge the U.S. market in the same way as they are doing for the 25yo, then I expect the 18yo will be $125 - $150 stateside. While a poor value compared to say, Highland Park 18yo, I might pick up a bottle anyway (then again, if I can order a 700mL from the UK for half the price...)

Tasting notes I've read suggest the 18yo and 25yo are more robust than the 15yo or 30yo. A lot of people seem to prefer the 7yo or the QC to the regular 10yo (I prefer the 10yo at cask strength) as well. Except for the continually rising prices I kind of like the direction Laphroaig is taking.

AVB
04-16-2009, 10:15
Of course, it should read 70cl. No way to fix the original now though. 700cl would be a hell of a deal :p


The 25 yo cask strength has been available in the UK for some time now at about 225. Far less then $500 but then it is only a 70cl bottle.

boss302
04-16-2009, 23:41
A lot of people seem to prefer the 7yo or the QC to the regular 10yo (I prefer the 10yo at cask strength) as well. Except for the continually rising prices I kind of like the direction Laphroaig is taking.

Now that big and peaty has become popular again, I kinda saw this coming.

The Laphroaig 10 and 15 were good, but ultimately forgettable when you have Ardbeg 10 and Lagavulin 16 in the same neighborhood, though.

The Quarter Cask, however, is my favorite of the "Islay Big Peat 3", as I call them.

boss302
04-16-2009, 23:45
If any of you are "Friends of Laphroaig" you know that they are discontinuing the 10 yr old and the 15 yr old. They're going to replace them with some of Robert's creations (i.e. various batches of whatever mood he's in) and an 18 yr old which I bet will be very pricey. I think Jim Beam is trying to make the finest single malt into the Old Crow of single malts!



I wouldn't say that at all. The "Mood Malts" series has been a slam dunk for Bruichladdich, which sounds a lot like what you are describing...

Let's get a little bit more information before we jump to the Old Crow analogy-- that one is a little too harsh to be taken lightly!