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Scoots
08-09-2009, 09:05
Here in Oregon, we have only 2 Wellers - Antique and Special Reserve. They both have been going up in price - A LOT!!!

This past year, my favorite pour, OWA, went from $19.95 to $25.95! $6.00 in less than a year! It is now more expensive than WT 101 ($24.95) and Elijah Craig ($23.45).

No other bourbon in Oregon has increased in price like the Wellers have.
What's the story in your area, and does anyone know what's going on?

Lab Walker
08-09-2009, 09:32
hey 'all,
i paid $19.99 at the local PA Liquor store. Hope it doe not go up!

DeanSheen
08-09-2009, 10:31
WE don't have it here in OH but I have my buddy grab liters of it for me in NY. It comes in at a shade under $22 there.

ILLfarmboy
08-09-2009, 14:07
It has went up about 3.25 a bottle here in the last year, year and a half. It now stands at 19.99 compared to 24.99 for Weller 12. (in the same store)

ThomasH
08-09-2009, 14:23
Ohio has the 90 proof Special Reserve for 22.00 a bottle, which is a joke. No telling what they would sell the Antique for if they stocked it!

Thomas

Joshua
08-09-2009, 14:38
Ohio has the 90 proof Special Reserve for 22.00 a bottle, which is a joke. No telling what they would sell the Antique for if they stocked it

I sure hope that's $22 for a 1.75... or else your WSR is the same as my van winkle 10/90. A good price on it here is $15, but up to $17 some places.

ThomasH
08-09-2009, 14:41
The 22.00 in Ohio is for a 750 unfortunately!

Thomas

DeanSheen
08-09-2009, 16:52
The 22.00 in Ohio is for a 750 unfortunately!

Thomas

Wow,they just added it ehh? No way I pay that much for Weller SR.

ShewDawg
08-09-2009, 16:55
Probably can thank your local gov't for that price jump. NJ has jumped from 3-4 dollars in less than a year.

ThomasH
08-09-2009, 17:02
Weller Special Reserve showed up in Ohio last year and was originally on the special order list. One of my local stores ended up with a case on the shelf and it was originally priced at 27.50 for a 750. The state must have somewhat come to their senses and lowered the price to 22.00, which is still 1/3 too high. I would choose a bottle of Weller 12 over SR any day, but unfortunately, Ohio doesn't carry it either. So much for the bourbon ghetto!

Thomas

ODaniel
08-09-2009, 23:00
OWA here is $19.95. Weller 7yr is $15.95 I believe. No idea what they used to be, but that's what they were tonight at Liquor Barn.

tommyboy38
08-10-2009, 04:49
The cheapest I know of in Chicago is $17 for OWA and $20 for the W12

ggilbertva
08-10-2009, 19:38
VA being the price gouging state that it is charges around $25 IIRC. They just started carrying it on the shelves within the last month or two. Montgomery County MD ABC charges $15.85.

hectic1
08-12-2009, 15:09
The cheapest I know of in Chicago is $17 for OWA and $20 for the W12
Do you care to share with a fellow bourbon lover where you can get the W12 for $20? ;)

Phantos
08-12-2009, 20:05
Here in TX Weller90 is 18.99 and OWA is 24.99... (750)
both are still MM killers @ 25.99 a 750ml.

ethangsmith
01-04-2010, 08:55
I'm not at all familiar with the Weller line of products or the history of the company, but I found a bottle of Old Weller Antique 107 "The Original Wheated Bourbon" at a local state store here in PA for $20.99. I had some last night and it was FANTASTIC. I looked around a bit online but couldn't fine a bottle like the one I bought. Mine is sort of roundish and not like the others I have found. Also, I have found several that are 7 year old, whereas mine does not say it is. It was "Distilled by W.L. Weller And Sons, Frankfort, Kentucky." I've also seen some places where I get the indication that this product may not be in production anymore and will soon dry up??? Also, what is the whole W.L. Weller and Stitzel-Weller relation and what products are still being made?

SMOWK
01-04-2010, 09:12
what is the whole W.L. Weller and Stitzel-Weller relation and what products are still being made?

I'm sure the others know a lot more about the actual company than I do.

I do know that the bottle was changed to the one you have just this year. It seems as if they've upped the distribution as well, as I've been able to find the new bottle in places that definitely did not carry the old one. I was a little dismayed when I saw the new bottle without an age statement, but I was assured that for now, it's still 7 years old. After comparing last year's, which was in the old bottle, with this years. I must say, this years is quite good. Hopefully it stays that way!

Josh
01-04-2010, 10:39
I'm not at all familiar with the Weller line of products or the history of the company, but I found a bottle of Old Weller Antique 107 "The Original Wheated Bourbon" at a local state store here in PA for $20.99. I had some last night and it was FANTASTIC. I looked around a bit online but couldn't fine a bottle like the one I bought. Mine is sort of roundish and not like the others I have found. Also, I have found several that are 7 year old, whereas mine does not say it is. It was "Distilled by W.L. Weller And Sons, Frankfort, Kentucky." I've also seen some places where I get the indication that this product may not be in production anymore and will soon dry up??? Also, what is the whole W.L. Weller and Stitzel-Weller relation and what products are still being made?


I'm sure the others know a lot more about the actual company than I do.

I do know that the bottle was changed to the one you have just this year. It seems as if they've upped the distribution as well, as I've been able to find the new bottle in places that definitely did not carry the old one. I was a little dismayed when I saw the new bottle without an age statement, but I was assured that for now, it's still 7 years old. After comparing last year's, which was in the old bottle, with this years. I must say, this years is quite good. Hopefully it stays that way!

To add to what SMOWK said, as far as the basics go, the entire Weller line are wheat bourbons (like Maker's Mark, Old Fitzgerald and Van Winkle) distilled at Buffalo Trace in Frankfort, KY and owned by Sazerac Co.

The Weller line currently consists of, in order of price:
W.L. Weller Special Reserve 7 y/o 90 proof
Old Weller Antique NAS (but still about 7) 107 proof
W.L. Weller 12 y/o 90 proof (hard to find but still in production)
Wm. Larue Weller Buffalo Trace Antique Collection Barrel Proof (varies by year)

Of the 4, my favorites are the Antique and the 12 y/o. The Binny's selection of the 12 is really outstanding. The last one (Larue or WLW for short) is usually excellent as well, but hasn't always lived up to my expectations for the price point. For pedantry on WLW, use the search function :grin: The Weller SR is a little dull imo, but it's a good alternative to MM and a few dollars cheaper.

It should be noted, also, that Weller is made from the same mashbill as the Van Winkle bourbons, the Old Rips, Family Reserve, and Pappys.

I'll also let others chime in on the history.

ethangsmith
01-04-2010, 11:25
Interesting. The Van Winkle stuff seems a bit rarer and more expensive from what I have seen, but well worth the cost. I was amazed at how good the Weller Antique 107 is for $21! I think I'm going to track down a few more Weller/Van Winkle products. I definitely like wheated bourbons. I think because they seem to be a little closer to my beloved Michter's sour mash whiskey than, say, Jim Beam or Evan Williams.

ethangsmith
01-04-2010, 14:07
Here's a picture of my bottle:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PLdJ63EUrbA/S0Ik1VCDseI/AAAAAAAAAHc/JjlxMwW5Ejk/s1600/IMG_1353.JPG

I read everything and there is no age statement on it for certain. I wonder if they plan on going shorter than 7 years soon.

hectic1
01-04-2010, 14:50
Read this thread...it has been discussed at nausem!

http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12981&highlight=OWA+NAS

ethangsmith
01-04-2010, 15:04
What is "NAS?" I also didn't see the thread. Thanks for posting that. There are too many abbreviations being tossed around here!

OscarV
01-04-2010, 15:05
Q: What's going on with Old Weller Antique?
A: Nothing, it's just aother sub-par wheater. Since Buffalo Trace killed off Centennial there has been a great void in the world of wheaters.

hectic1
01-04-2010, 15:33
What is "NAS?" I also didn't see the thread. Thanks for posting that. There are too many abbreviations being tossed around here!
It stands for No Age Statement...

Josh
01-04-2010, 15:35
What is "NAS?" I also didn't see the thread. Thanks for posting that. There are too many abbreviations being tossed around here!

Also check out this thread for all the wacky abbreviations:

http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/announcement.php?f=43&a=8

NAS= No Age Statement

Old Weller Antique is not a top-shelfer, but I think it more than holds its own against bourbon offerings in the same price range, wheater or no. But if you offered me a Weller 12 or Old Rip 10/107 in exchange for an OWA, even the age stated one, I'd take that deal in a heartbeat.

If you really want a sub-par wheater, check out any current Old Fitzgerald offerings other than the BiB.

IronHead
01-04-2010, 15:37
I think you can include the current BiB Old Fitz in that group of sub par wheaters, but that's just my opinion.

OscarV
01-04-2010, 15:58
I think you can include the current BiB Old Fitz in that group of sub par wheaters, but that's just my opinion.

Yep, I agree, from what I hear Parker just isn't interested in wheaters.

Josh
01-04-2010, 16:19
Yep, I agree, from what I hear Parker just isn't interested in wheaters.

Then HH should sell the brand off to someone who will do it right. As it is now it's an embarassment, worse than Michter's.

Joshua
01-04-2010, 16:28
I agree with -UA up there. It is an embarrassment. I understand things change, and I hate sounding like I'm on a "if it's not dusty it's crap!" rant... but turning one of the best bourbons from days past into one of the worst current productions is too far.

I REALLY hate being negative with this stuff... and old weller (Matt's gold vein OWA) is superior to new OWA... however I still love new OWA. I wish OF BIB was the same... with the old being better but the new still being great juice. Sadly it's just not the case

jeff
01-04-2010, 16:28
Q: What's going on with Old Weller Antique?
A: Nothing, it's just aother sub-par wheater. Since Buffalo Trace killed off Centennial there has been a great void in the world of wheaters.

Oh man, you had to go and remind me of the Centennial. I sure miss that bourbon. That and OCPR have left a great hole in my heart :cry:

jeff
01-04-2010, 16:29
Oh yeah, the Antique goes for $19.99 here in Lexington. The SR is $15.99 and a favorite of mine to use for mixing. The 12yo has been absent for a few months now.

IronHead
01-04-2010, 16:40
I agree with -UA up there. It is an embarrassment. I understand things change, and I hate sounding like I'm on a "if it's not dusty it's crap!" rant... but turning one of the best bourbons from days past into one of the worst current productions is too far.

I REALLY hate being negative with this stuff... and old weller (Matt's gold vein OWA) is superior to new OWA... however I still love new OWA. I wish OF BIB was the same... with the old being better but the new still being great juice. Sadly it's just not the case

Since as legend has it Pappy was instrumental in helping Bill Samuels get MM up and running Bill Jr. ought to ramp up production, buy the label, kill off everything but the BiB and put 100 proof Maker's juice in the Old Fitz BiB bottle. Yeah, that'll happen:slappin:

T Comp
01-04-2010, 18:58
If you really want a sub-par wheater, check out any current Old Fitzgerald offerings other than the BiB.

An 86 proof Old Fitzgerald Prime, I bought at a Rite Aid in Kentucky last summer, really was dreadful. This was very unbalanced with overpowering alcohol and acetone on both the nose and taste, even at this proof. I could have excused it for its $9.49 price, but the Heaven Hill BIB, also at $9.49, and the even $1.00 cheaper, HH green label 6 year 90 proof, are very tasty and drinkable.

whskylvr
01-04-2010, 19:53
Is this the WL WELLER 12YR 90PR that people rave about. I have never seen a picture before but I found some of these.

10155

hectic1
01-04-2010, 19:57
Is this the WL WELLER 12YR 90PR that people rave about. I have never seen a picture before but I found some of these.

10155 That is a Weller 12...get them while you can! :)

Ruby K
01-04-2010, 20:49
That is a Weller 12...get them while you can! :)

agreed! in fact, i haven't seen the weller 12 bottled like that in at least two years. It would be so much of a stretch for those bottles to be SW, right?

ErichPryde
01-04-2010, 21:28
there are three of those laying around in wichita...

ggilbertva
01-05-2010, 09:02
agreed! in fact, i haven't seen the weller 12 bottled like that in at least two years. It would be so much of a stretch for those bottles to be SW, right?

Could be as after maturation that would place the last 12 year bottled around 2008.

Ruby K
01-05-2010, 09:56
there are three of those laying around in wichita...

get em! how much? maybe get me one too :cool:

JamesW
01-05-2010, 10:05
Q: What's going on with Old Weller Antique?
A: Nothing, it's just aother sub-par wheater. Since Buffalo Trace killed off Centennial there has been a great void in the world of wheaters.

Here, here! I couldn't agree more.:smiley_acbt: It's one end of the spectrum to the other with almost no stops in-between now (unless you consider ORVW 10/107) which is starting to get priced in the higher realm @ ~$40 if you can even find it.

SMOWK
01-05-2010, 15:05
I think you can include the current BiB Old Fitz in that group of sub par wheaters, but that's just my opinion.

I agree. I've had a few bottles lately. All of which ended up in a shot glass, and not in a glencairn.

smokinjoe
01-05-2010, 15:16
Whoops. I'm in the minority, it looks like. But, I'm very fond of the current Old Fitz BIB. The low price is a plus for me, too.

Old Lamplighter
01-05-2010, 16:17
Along the lines of Weller, I got a question that has been tickling my mind for a while now. This is not to do with Antique, so, if the moderator sees fit to move it to another thread, not a problem. Several months ago, while in town visiting my sister, I came across an old store that had several bottles of Weller Spl Rsv - Louisville....which means it is S-W juice. My own experience with a Frankfort SR a while back was not a pleasant one to say the least and I have never been inclined to try it again. However, if the S-W SR has a rep of being considerably better, I would be inclined to go back this weekend and grab one or more of them. What is the opinion of the experts in this regard? I was in there N-Y Eve and he still had them there collecting dust. I have always loved Antique from S-W to present.....but, am somewhat shy of the SR. Guess for the price point of SR, I should not worry bout it too much....lol.

doubleblank
01-06-2010, 08:47
It's interesting that you like Weller Antique 107 but didn't care for the Special Reserve. It has been reported here (and I had heard this during a tour many years ago) that SR and Antique 107 were from the same lot of selected barrels with the difference simply being bottling proof. FYI, they sell about ten times more SR that the Antique 107, IIRC. So my guess is that you don't care for a young, low proof wheated bourbon. Therefor, a young, low proof SW wheated bourbon may not be your cup of tea either.

In Texas, it's very common to see SR as the well bourbon in bars (although recent price increases have given Beam White a price advantage). When out, I'll often have the SR vs paying top dollar for a Woodford Reserve "top shelf" pour. But that's about the only time I drink SR.

Randy

funknik
01-06-2010, 08:50
Along the lines of Weller, I got a question that has been tickling my mind for a while now. This is not to do with Antique, so, if the moderator sees fit to move it to another thread, not a problem. Several months ago, while in town visiting my sister, I came across an old store that had several bottles of Weller Spl Rsv - Louisville....which means it is S-W juice.
I don't mind the current WLW SR at all (although I do prefer the OWA by quite a lot), but the one bottle I had of '95 S-W WLW SR was very tasty IMO (thanks, Oscar).

Old Lamplighter
01-06-2010, 16:11
It's interesting that you like Weller Antique 107 but didn't care for the Special Reserve. It has been reported here (and I had heard this during a tour many years ago) that SR and Antique 107 were from the same lot of selected barrels with the difference simply being bottling proof.Randy

Very good points....some things I had not thought about - particularly maybe my cup of tea is just not lower proof wheaters....although, I would never refuse a Lot B (been a while since I had it but I think it is around 90pf) which has always been in my top 5. It did cross my mind once that it could be same as Antique with lower bottling proof....but I just did not continue to connect the dots.....thanks Randy for the input and help.

spun_cookie
01-06-2010, 16:47
It's interesting that you like Weller Antique 107 but didn't care for the Special Reserve. It has been reported here (and I had heard this during a tour many years ago) that SR and Antique 107 were from the same lot of selected barrels with the difference simply being bottling proof.

Randy,
it is a little more than just that. As you water down the bourbon, you bring forward some of the less pleasant tastes and dilute some of the sugars and sweeter tastes. The esters do not dilute like the sugars due, so some of the SRs might bring forward more of a bitter taste.

The Old 88 SR I have is great. Full of sugars and sweeter tastes, but that is due to a lower barrel proof I would bet.

Anyhow... Spun's 2-cetns