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TNbourbon
12-06-2009, 10:53
Though my so-called 'formative years' were -- by the accidental nature of the space-time continuum -- spent in Northern climes, after having spent more than half my days now in the South, heart and hearth unite today as home here.
Thus I find what Vanity Fair is to its regional culture, the new-ish Garden & Gun magazine is to Southern parochialism. In the current issue is notification http://gardenandgun.com/article/wine-meets-whiskey of the soon-to-arrive Southern Belle Shiraz, from the McLaren Vale in South Australia, aged in barrels which held what became Pappy Van Winkle 20.
Apparently retail will be c. $25 per bottle. If anyone sees it, please let me know so I can access a few bottles or case. I will do likewise should it appear here.
Thanks.

DeanSheen
12-06-2009, 11:21
Nice find pappy beer now pappy wine.

Gillman
12-06-2009, 12:16
Good find indeed Tim.

Actually this not (really) new. In the 1800's, even fine French wine sent to England often contained "spirits" (brandy or other hard alcohol). This was added initially to preserve wines in those pre-pasteurization, pre-sulfur dioxide days. The same was done, earlier, for wines departing Iberia for England, which led to the development methodically of port and other fortified wines.

The English acquired a taste for the spirited wines, and only later did the practice decline with the onset of pure food laws and the ability to make wines stable for export. And by then, the English had port and sherry, so in a sense the practice had a long-term permanent effect.

This is a return to that tradition whether conscious or not. Good for the ballsy Aussies, like the Americans they are not afraid to try something novel. Australia and America (not just the South) share a lot, in fact.

I've got to try this.

Gary

fricky
12-06-2009, 14:52
Binny's lists 2005 Southern Belle Shiraz. Since Tim's reference is specific to 2008, it may be that the earlier vintages were not aged in used Van Winkle barrels.

spun_cookie
12-06-2009, 16:03
I will keep my eye out for the 2008 vintage... this should be fun

TNbourbon
12-06-2009, 16:21
I've been nonplussed by the whiskeys with wine finishes, whether Woodford or Buffalo Trace with chardonnay, or Glenmorangie with Port or Madiera, et al. The only one I found actually good-tasting enough to buy again wasn't even a wine finish, but the wine-barrel (without ever seeing wine) finish of the BTEC French Oak bottling.
So, the flip side is intriguing. Do wines finished in whiskey barrels fare any better? The line which hooked me was: "...It was a wine that defied the dictates of terroir and tradition and begged for a rack of ribs..." Not at all ironically, I think, ribs is a dish I always ponder over whether I'd prefer to accompany it with wine (zinfandel is more often my choice than shiraz) or bourbon. So, that descriptor spoke to me directly.

Gillman
12-07-2009, 05:10
Well, port itself is brandied wine, in this case to be sure a young brandy is simply added to stop the fermentation, but the result combines a brandy and a wine, married for years through cask and often bottle-aging.

Whiskies aged in sherry barrels and other barrels formerly holding wines of various kinds are an old tradition. The concept of finishing is perhaps not quite as thorough, but it is the same idea.

In the end of course, it is the palate that counts. I tend to agree about Glenmorangie, it is a fairly light-bodied estery whisky and I don't think it really needs finishing although the sherry-finish to me is most successful. The regular Glenmorangie is a fine whiskey unto itself. But a big-bodied Australian wine might take well to the smoky warm tones and residual bourbon if any of an ex-Van Winkle bourbon barrel. Something to watch for and I'll be interested to read the first taste notes.

Gary

silverfish
01-06-2010, 07:48
I heard from Tim at GP who said the bottles
should be available mid February. Lucky me -
they can ship direct to my state! Also, he
confirmed what fricky suggested - the 2008
bottling is the first to use Pappy barrels.

Contact info (http://www.gratefulpalateimports.com/company.html) for Tim Coles if you'd like to check
with him re: shipping.

spun_cookie
01-06-2010, 08:36
I heard from Tim at GP who said the bottles
should be available mid February. Lucky me -
they can ship direct to my state! Also, he
confirmed what fricky suggested - the 2008
bottling is the first to use Pappy barrels.

Contact info (http://www.gratefulpalateimports.com/company.html) for Tim Coles if you'd like to check
with him re: shipping.

Thanks for the link man... and that Bacon of the month club is very tempting....

nblair
03-05-2010, 19:38
I got a call from my local liquor store saying this will be in March 22. I have two bottles on hold. Has anyone tried this yet?

CaptainQ
03-05-2010, 21:06
Thanks for the link Silverfish! I emailed Tim to see if we can get this in WA. I must try this wine!

ErichPryde
03-06-2010, 00:14
Here's a better look at the labels (and a couple of other strange ones, too)
http://lovelypackage.com/southern-gothic-wine/

ErichPryde
03-06-2010, 00:19
I will keep my eye out for the 2008 vintage... this should be fun

I'll let you know if I see any, I'm going to keep my eyes open as this is something I would like to try as well!

silverfish
03-13-2010, 09:15
The 2008 Southern Belle is available for $25./bottle at
Wine Merchants Gourmet (http://www.winemerchantsgourmet.com/arrivals.htm) in NC.

Since my initial inquiry when Tim responded that my state (NY)
was ok to ship to, I've e-mailed back a few times regarding
ordering some of this but have yet to receive a reply. A bit
frustrating as I'm happy to send 'em $ but cannot get an
answer.

silverfish
03-20-2010, 11:00
Buster's Liquors has a video review of the Pappy Shiraz on their Facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=570948847346&ref=mf).

(Buster's is located at 191 S. Highland, Memphis, TN)

Their display:

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/5500/24139339626009473311883.jpg

silverfish
03-20-2010, 11:08
And for you folks near Franklin, TN, Cool Springs Wine
lists it as a "New Arrival" in a March 8, 2010 blog entry (http://www.coolspringswines.com/blog/?p=24).

Sure wish Tim at Grateful palate would get back to me...

silverfish
04-29-2010, 08:32
I finally received a reply from Tim at GP and am in the
process of working out order details. Woo Hoo!

If this isn't available in your area and you were considering
a web order, you may want to act soon - Tim says they have
less than 250 cases remaining.

docbible
04-29-2010, 08:59
This hit the shelves in knoxville a few weeks ago. I got about 18 bottles and there were 6 left on the shelf. Excellent wine at a great price. They were expecting another shipment at McScrooges any time now. It comes in handy when the guys get together for a bourbon tasting and the ladies prefer wine but carry over the bourbon theme. Around $20 if you find it. tim

jcastel3
04-30-2010, 08:33
Tim called me when they came in...and they just arrived today.

tcoles@gratefulpalate.com (tcoles@gratefulpalate.com)

:grin:

silverfish
05-05-2010, 13:44
Latest e-mail from Tim reports they're a few days away
from selling out so I just got off the phone after placing
an order for 6 bottles. I had to ask for a later ship date
so it won't arrive until first week of June but still, nice to
have some on hold!

Sure wish I coulda found a local source and picked up 18
bottles off the shelf - my wife woulda loved that!

ACDetroit
05-08-2010, 09:32
Enjoying a pour of this right now, if you try you can get the bourbon out of the finish. The other thing that I've noticed is the legs really stick to the glass, I'm assuming that is also bourbon influence?

Good stuff, Michigan only received 4 cases of this stuff and from what the sales guy told me yesterday it's gone.

Tony

birdman1099
05-08-2010, 09:50
I bought a bottle yesterday and had it last night.

Not as "bourboney" as I was expecting. And you are right, Tony, the legs are thick. After I finished a glass, i went to rinse it out and the water turned purple. Much thicker that ordinary wines.

Overall I like it, but I was not overly impressed.

callmeox
05-22-2010, 18:27
I snagged a case of it when given the recent opportunity and opened a bottle tonight. It has a really deep dark fruitiness and I pick up the bourbon influence on entry. It is a very rich wine and at over 17%, it packs a bit of a punch. I'm not a wine guy, but this is tasty.

timd
07-10-2010, 12:05
Enjoying a pour of this right now, if you try you can get the bourbon out of the finish. The other thing that I've noticed is the legs really stick to the glass, I'm assuming that is also bourbon influence?

Good stuff, Michigan only received 4 cases of this stuff and from what the sales guy told me yesterday it's gone.

Tony

Can I ask where you found it in Michigan?

Thanks!

fussychicken
07-14-2010, 20:10
God I really REALLY wanted to like this. Picked up a few bottles at the Wine House and had a big gulp when I saw the alcohol %. 17.6%! Clearly some of the pappy is floating around in this wine.

In either case, I struggled with it. Hot and intense. But not always in a good way. Threw the rest in the decanter and it did get better after a 1-2 hours.

Josh
07-14-2010, 20:43
I got a bottle at Party Source a few weeks ago.

I haven't opened it. It's a 2008 vintage. Probably needs a few more years in the bottle. I'm planning on opening mine somethime after 2013.

IowaJeff
02-03-2011, 08:40
I bought 6 bottles online for my dad for christmas. We recently opened one and I liked it a lot. I don't drink a lot of wine, and probably don't have the best wine palate, but it was thick with strong black/blueberry flavors. Packed a lot more punch than most wines i have had, but was not overpowering. I couldn't taste bourbon per se, but I could definitely tell it was different.

imbibehour
02-03-2011, 20:12
Jesus...

Aussie Shiraz and Bourbon barrels...

That's it I am done... I don't need to drink anything else...

I am done!

If I drink it then I can die happy and could care less what happens next.

OscarV
02-04-2011, 14:58
I got a bottle at Party Source a few weeks ago.

I haven't opened it. It's a 2008 vintage. Probably needs a few more years in the bottle. I'm planning on opening mine somethime after 2013.

How do you store your wine?
Laying down with wine on the cork or straight up like we do our bourbons and why?
I have a couple of these and I have them upright and I too am waiting until 2013.

nivto
02-04-2011, 15:33
How do you store your wine?
Laying down with wine on the cork or straight up like we do our bourbons and why?
I have a couple of these and I have them upright and I too am waiting until 2013.

I know you were specifically asking Josh, but thought I'd chime in. I do believe that the general consensus is that it is wise to store wine laying down. I know that the wine cellar in my parents house is designed so that it has all of their wine laying sideways, and they have some bottles that have been aging for decades, and drink beautifully when opened with no cork trouble. On the other hand, I remember talking about it with my father, who is the wine snob in the family, and he told me that he wasn't convinced it was necessary, but figured why take the chance.

OscarV
02-04-2011, 15:39
I remember talking about it with my father, who is the wine snob in the family, and he told me that he wasn't convinced it was necessary, but figured why take the chance.


That's interesting, I have had "corked" wine before, it's awful, and although I am no expert it seems that having them straight up you have a better chancce at avoiding that problem.

nivto
02-04-2011, 15:51
That's interesting, I have had "corked" wine before, it's awful, and although I am no expert it seems that having them straight up you have a better chancce at avoiding that problem.

I've heard cork taint is quite terrible. I've luckily never experienced it, myself. My understanding of corked wine in regards to TCA contamination is that it is unavoidable on the part of the consumer, regardless of storage. I may be corrected on that point, though.

squire
02-06-2011, 16:18
I believe you are correct Ryan.

callmeox
02-06-2011, 17:04
Vertical, horizontal or at some angle in between...these are screw tops so it doesn't really matter.

OscarV
02-06-2011, 17:13
Vertical, horizontal or at some angle in between...these are screw tops so it doesn't really matter.

Well I'll be damned, I just checked and you are correct Sir!

nivto
02-06-2011, 18:38
Vertical, horizontal or at some angle in between...these are screw tops so it doesn't really matter.

Hah, well that point is definitely a game changer. Anyway, the wine sounds interesting.
Very cool that you all got your hands on some. I hope it ages nicely for you who are waiting.