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Makopa
03-09-2010, 01:40
Hi guys,

Before you get exited about getting a German into the forum :grin: , I am actually South African living in Munich at the moment. But this will of course be my shopping base for Bourbon in the foreseeable future!

I am very impressed with the forum here, have been reading a lot of posts the last few days. I will also elaborate a little bit below in what I like to drink and see if you guys can recommend me one or two bottles.

Also reading so much about alcohol keeps one VERY thirsty!

My drinking: I do enjoy a basic scotch once in a long while (Famous Grouse, Jameson), and did have a few single malts once in a while. My two favorites (I think the top of any alcohol for me so far) is Oban and Glenfiddich 15 year Solera. Amazing stuff.

I also rediscovered drinking Rum...as I found out not all rum are nasty things you need to add Coke to. So now going to order Flor de Cana 7 year :cool:

My experience with Bourbon is very limited unfortunately and I need to rectify this. I always liked JD once in a while on ice (I know...its not bourbon). The other night I found a bar with Makers Mark and went for it. Very smooth indeed. I liked it. But its not so full bodied for me. So I guess I am looking for a bit more complex flavors. More wood?

For one I am for sure going to buy Four Roses yellow label as its cheap here (15 euro per bottle) as a everyday/mix bourbon. It seems to get very good opinions overall. So I need something a little bit higher up the alcohol chain. Something that can give me a good idea in which direction I should go.

Initial options with prices:
Elijah Craig 12 20 euro per bottle
Bulleit (40%) 19E (bad ac. to one post when compared to 45%)
Blanton's special reserve 21E (seems to be only available in europe)
Blantons Original 27E
Jim Bean Black 18E
Wild Turkey 101 8y 23E
Buffalo Trace 30E
Four Roses single barrel 31E
Fighting cock 6y 20E

Wide variety and flavours, I know. There are of course more available, but some are out of proportion expensive when compared to how they are priced in the US to each other. For now I would prefer to stay at the 20 euro level since I can see most of the rye/wheat options in this price range. I think I saw WL Weller 7 year also on one of the shops here for 25 I think.

If you have any questions to help you narrow down the selection then I will be happy to answer. As you can see I am suffering big time from verbal diarrhea :slappin: The curse of a scientist.

Thanks again! Looking forward to sippin some nice bourbon and start the journey.

Francois

nor02lei
03-09-2010, 05:38
Hi guys,

Before you get exited about getting a German into the forum :grin: , I am actually South African living in Munich at the moment. But this will of course be my shopping base for Bourbon in the foreseeable future!

I am very impressed with the forum here, have been reading a lot of posts the last few days. I will also elaborate a little bit below in what I like to drink and see if you guys can recommend me one or two bottles.

Also reading so much about alcohol keeps one VERY thirsty!

My drinking: I do enjoy a basic scotch once in a long while (Famous Grouse, Jameson), and did have a few single malts once in a while. My two favorites (I think the top of any alcohol for me so far) is Oban and Glenfiddich 15 year Solera. Amazing stuff.

I also rediscovered drinking Rum...as I found out not all rum are nasty things you need to add Coke to. So now going to order Flor de Cana 7 year :cool:

My experience with Bourbon is very limited unfortunately and I need to rectify this. I always liked JD once in a while on ice (I know...its not bourbon). The other night I found a bar with Makers Mark and went for it. Very smooth indeed. I liked it. But its not so full bodied for me. So I guess I am looking for a bit more complex flavors. More wood?

For one I am for sure going to buy Four Roses yellow label as its cheap here (15 euro per bottle) as a everyday/mix bourbon. It seems to get very good opinions overall. So I need something a little bit higher up the alcohol chain. Something that can give me a good idea in which direction I should go.

Initial options with prices:
Elijah Craig 12 20 euro per bottle
Bulleit (40%) 19E (bad ac. to one post when compared to 45%)
Blanton's special reserve 21E (seems to be only available in europe)
Blantons Original 27E
Jim Bean Black 18E
Wild Turkey 101 8y 23E
Buffalo Trace 30E
Four Roses single barrel 31E
Fighting cock 6y 20E

Wide variety and flavours, I know. There are of course more available, but some are out of proportion expensive when compared to how they are priced in the US to each other. For now I would prefer to stay at the 20 euro level since I can see most of the rye/wheat options in this price range. I think I saw WL Weller 7 year also on one of the shops here for 25 I think.

If you have any questions to help you narrow down the selection then I will be happy to answer. As you can see I am suffering big time from verbal diarrhea :slappin: The curse of a scientist.

Thanks again! Looking forward to sippin some nice bourbon and start the journey.

Francois

Francois,

To my personal taste WT 8 101 proof and Elias Craig 12 are both the best taste and value on your list. I do bay most of my bourbon from Germany as well.

Leif

Inthewater
03-09-2010, 06:09
It really depends on what sort of burbon you are looking for. I am a newbie here, but I do know that there is a huge variety of different flavors just in that sampling you listed.

My choices out of there would be the WT 8/101 and the Buffalo Trace, though those are both higher priced.

Can not comment on the others, as I have not tried many of them. can say that most people here don't seem to be much of a fan of the Bulleit. Would stay away from that one, I think.

oh, welcome to the boards.

Stu
03-09-2010, 06:58
Welcome Francois,

Personally, I would rank FR yellow label as equal to or superior to some of the bourbons on your list, but I'm a big FR fan. Consequently, if you can afford the 31E, try the FR SB. I agree with Leif about WT 101. I'd say there's not a bad bourbon on the list. May I suggest you buy one, drink enough of the bottle to form an opinion then put the bottle away and buy another. After you have several part bottles, revisit the first couple or three, review your tasting notes prior to tasting, and sample them in the same night. See if your tastes have changed, and see which you enjoy more. Repeat this process at a later date and your preferences might change. After a while you'll be able to say "Tonight is a ----- night". You may find some that you will think are not worth the money in comparison to others. Tastes differ, so you may think some of someone else's favorites aren't worth the money, and vice versa.

Enjoy your exploring and welcome again.

Stu

Makopa
03-09-2010, 07:06
Thanks Leif and "Inthewater" for your replies!

I just came back from the shop with my Four Roses yellow label and could not resist opening it up and poured a shot. Wow...its definitely drier than I anticipated, almost in the scotch dryness field and much drier than either Jack Daniels or Makers Mark. But a full verdict would have to wait till I dug my head deeper into the bottle :)

I guess I can say I will most likely try all sorts of bourbons over time. Thats what is making me excited as tasting and buying scotch has become quite expensive.

But one has to start somewhere, and I guess I am looking for a recommendation of a premium kind of bourbon which is the quintessential or typical bourbon....and from where I can say...ok....its a bit spicy, therefore let me go more in the smooth and wheaty direction, or lets load up the rye content :)

Consensus so far between the two posts goes for WT101/8. I was also eyeballing that one.

Leif which online store do you mostly use?

I have found these so far that seems to have decent prices and variety:
https://www.weinquelle.com/whisky/American_Whiskey.html
http://www.thewhiskytrader.de/category.php?cat=97&page=1
http://www.spirituosen-superbillig.com/Spirituosen_und_Whisky_American_Whiskey.html

Thanks for the welcoming!

Makopa
03-09-2010, 07:12
Stu,

Thanks for the reply! Great advice about drinking the bottle about half and getting another one. I will do that for sure.

Glad to hear you like the FR yellow so much! I am digging into her at the moment.

Inthewater
03-09-2010, 09:21
From what I was told right off the bat, and my experiences, the WT 101 is a ryed whiskey, while MM is a wheater. It may be that you prefer the more subtle wheated burbons. I like them all, depending on the time of day and alignment of the stars.

:)

WT 101 will be a spicy, hot pour compared to the MM. But, the flavor is bold and delicious.

So far, my two favorites have been Evan Williams Single barrel and the WT 101, with standard Buffalo Trace as a nice "day-to-day" pour that I can get for a decent price and enjoy regularly.

Let us know what else you try, always good to hear new opinions.

nor02lei
03-09-2010, 13:05
Leif which online store do you mostly use?

I have found these so far that seems to have decent prices and variety:
https://www.weinquelle.com/whisky/American_Whiskey.html
http://www.thewhiskytrader.de/category.php?cat=97&page=1
http://www.spirituosen-superbillig.com/Spirituosen_und_Whisky_American_Whiskey.html

Thanks for the welcoming!

Most/many of them donít ship to Sweden Francois. This is the 2 I use most: http://www.maltharry.de/shop/
http://www.whiskydepot.com/

Leif

Makopa
03-09-2010, 13:22
Thanks guys for the extra info!

I think I will go for a Turkey 101 in Round 1 to compliment the four roses yellow. And then come back and give you guys my humble opinion. Then we see where we go from there.

Francois

fishnbowljoe
03-09-2010, 15:09
Welcome to SB Francois. Small world isn't it? Looks like you've already got a good start on your bourbon journey. It also appears that a few others have given you some good recommendations. I second what Inthewater suggested. WT8 101, MM, and BT are all great bourbons. Those three would give you a nice variety of tastes to try.

Which Weller 7 did you see? There are two. Weller Special Reserve 7/90, and Weller Antigue (Old Weller Antique) 7/107. Both are worth trying. I must admit though, I'm a little biased when it comes to Weller offerings. They are among my favorite bourbons, especially the Weller 12 yr old. :yum: So, cheers, and again, welcome aboard. :grin: Joe

Dramiel McHinson
03-09-2010, 17:25
Und ein Gruss Gott Sie auch Francois!

I lived in Munich, Augsburg, Stuttgart in the early 80's. I've got only great memories of my time there. I would say you are strategically located to travel Europe and sample many fine spirits. The Eastern European countries make some surprisingly grand spirits as well and the price is usually right.

I think you might also enjoy Elijah Craig 12 year old and if more wood is what you are after, the 18 year old has plenty of it. I'm not sure of the availability or cost. If you can find it and the price is right give it a try.

A lot of the larger REAL stores have great selections and they carry the 50, 100, 200ml bottles of different spirits to try. Don't forget to stop by the chocolate section on the way out:yum:

Vosgar
03-09-2010, 19:57
Well, I guess I'm the one who's going to be different in my recommendations from your list. I've got a soft spot for the Blantons when you're looking for something rich and smooth and the Fighting Cock when you want a little more spice. That's the beauty of it, many choices and you decide what hits your palate.

Makopa
03-10-2010, 03:38
Which Weller 7 did you see? There are two. Weller Special Reserve 7/90, and Weller Antigue (Old Weller Antique) 7/107. Both are worth trying. I must admit though, I'm a little biased when it comes to Weller offerings. They are among my favorite bourbons, especially the Weller 12 yr old. :yum: So, cheers, and again, welcome aboard. :grin: Joe

Hi Joe,

Thanks for the welcome and the advice!
The Wellers that I seem to get here is the WL Weller, 7/90 special reserve for around 30 euro (I did see it somewhere for 26 or so if I remember, but cant find it at the moment) and the 12 year 90 proof for around 39. The latter is a bit high for me at the moment, at least not until I feel more comfortable with my tasting abilities with regards to bourbon. Thats why I look at the 20 to 25 euro price range at the moment. Indeed the Weller is also calling my name for a testdrive.....ehehe.

Francois

Makopa
03-10-2010, 03:41
Und ein Gruss Gott Sie auch Francois!

I lived in Munich, Augsburg, Stuttgart in the early 80's. I've got only great memories of my time there. I would say you are strategically located to travel Europe and sample many fine spirits. The Eastern European countries make some surprisingly grand spirits as well and the price is usually right.

I think you might also enjoy Elijah Craig 12 year old and if more wood is what you are after, the 18 year old has plenty of it. I'm not sure of the availability or cost. If you can find it and the price is right give it a try.

A lot of the larger REAL stores have great selections and they carry the 50, 100, 200ml bottles of different spirits to try. Don't forget to stop by the chocolate section on the way out:yum:

Thanks for the tip on the REAL stores Dan! Indeed the Eastern European alcohol (especially vodka is excellent value for money). My fiancee is Polish and I tend to get loads of good vodka when I am there.
There is for sure the 18 year old EC here. I tihnk mid 40's in the euro class...a bit stiff for now :) But later on one never knows what I try :)

Thanks again!

Francois

Makopa
03-10-2010, 03:45
I've got a soft spot for the Blantons when you're looking for something rich and smooth and the Fighting Cock when you want a little more spice.

Vosgar,

Did you ever have the Blanton Special reserve 80 proof that is sold in the EU? The price is pretty good, I was just wondering if anyone ever compared it to the Blanton Original. Could not find much so far searching the forum.

The fighting cock also looks interesting. Anyone compared that to Bulleit? Although the Bulleit in the EU is only 80 proof compared to 90 in the US.

Cheers!

Francois

Vosgar
03-10-2010, 19:00
Vosgar,

Did you ever have the Blanton Special reserve 80 proof that is sold in the EU? The price is pretty good, I was just wondering if anyone ever compared it to the Blanton Original.



Can't say that I've ever had the Blantons Special 80 proof. Generally speaking, I haven't been a big fan of 80 proof bourbons, but you never know until you try them.

I'm going on vacation to Germany this July, so now I'll have to see about finding some. My wife will just love this diversion:skep: