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loose proton
03-12-2010, 18:30
I don't know what I just drank. My local store had a bowl of airplane bottles of something they said was new, Crown Royal Black. The label was that, "Crown Royal Black" and the flavor wasn't exactly like Cask 16 nor Reserve. Perhaps it was Reserve, but definitely not Cask 16.

My impressions? Unimpressed. Dark color, possibly from coloring. Little nose. Biting alcohol flavor with little else. Almost no aftertaste until the bottle was gone, then not bad aftertaste. The most enjoyable part of the experience was the slight aftertaste after the bottle was gone.

Gillman
03-12-2010, 19:20
Good eye, seems to be something new. This is an extract from an article by Lance Mayhew on a cocktails-oriented site:

"Crown Royal Black, rumored to be launching in early 2010. Details are sparse at this time but Crown Royal Black is expected to be 100 proof and packaged in an opaque black bottle for a completely different look from the rest of the Crown Royal line".

Here is the full link: http://cocktails.about.com/od/spirits/a/bestcanadian_whisky.htm

Gary

Megawatt
03-12-2010, 20:00
I don't know what I just drank. My local store had a bowl of airplane bottles of something they said was new, Crown Royal Black. The label was that, "Crown Royal Black" and the flavor wasn't exactly like Cask 16 nor Reserve. Perhaps it was Reserve, but definitely not Cask 16.

My impressions? Unimpressed. Dark color, possibly from coloring. Little nose. Biting alcohol flavor with little else. Almost no aftertaste until the bottle was gone, then not bad aftertaste. The most enjoyable part of the experience was the slight aftertaste after the bottle was gone.

Are you generally satisfied with whiskies from the Crown Royal range?

loose proton
03-13-2010, 10:07
Are you generally satisfied with whiskies from the Crown Royal range?
Cask 16 isn't bad, and would drink more if it were about one third it's cost. I do like XR a lot, but in it's price range I opt for other sips.

Megawatt
03-13-2010, 10:17
Cask 16 isn't bad, and would drink more if it were about one third it's cost. I do like XR a lot, but in it's price range I opt for other sips.

Ah. Over the years of drinking many Canadian whiskies I've settled on the conclusion that Crown Royal Deluxe (the standard blend) is the best Canadian in its category, but I've not tried Cask 16 or XR. As you stated there are probably many better choices at those prices. I'll be interested to see how this new expression stacks up against the regular stuff.

loose proton
03-13-2010, 10:33
If you get the chance, do try Cask 16 and XR.

Cask 16 has an interesting unique flavor and definitely worth trying. Like all their stuff, it is a blend. I think it would be better if it were more of the older whiskey and less of younger stuff. It does have the limousin oak flavor, but Glenlivet French Oak is a much better choice for less $$. I think Cask 16 uses used barrels for the finish whereas Glenlivet uses virgin wood for aging.

XR is super! Far smoother than other Crown products. It has a complex range of flavors like is found in the finest whiskeys. No mono-tone here, definitely multi-dimensional. I only have one open bottle. The next time I see it under $100, I'll pick up another bottle.

Megawatt
03-13-2010, 10:41
Thanks, I don't know too many people who have tried these whiskies so I'm glad to have your opinion.

whskylvr
03-13-2010, 12:43
Crown Royal Cask 16 uses used Cognac barrels thats what gives it its unique taste (alot of dried fruit, raisins, prunes, etc). CR XR was a non planned Canadian Whiskey the warehouses that it was housed in burnt and a small numbers of barrels survived. It has a very rich smokey nose and taste. Very smooth.

I can tell you that Cask 16 will continue to be produced. Crown XR is very limited right now. We have approx. 22 (6 pack) cases left in the distributor warehouse for the west coast. We had brought in 250 from the Texas area. Not sure how much is back east.

cowdery
03-14-2010, 01:20
Canadian whiskey is Canadian whiskey and if you don't like them generally, you probably won't suddenly like one because it's higher proof and in a black bottle. I've had some of the very best Canadian whiskey and they just don't travel very far from the run-of-the-mill Canadian. I'm not saying the premium expressions aren't better, they invariably are. There just is only so far a Canadian whiskey can go.

Gillman
03-14-2010, 06:27
I agree with that and the only thing in my view that will change the typical palate significantly is if the so-called flavoring whiskeys (straight batch whiskeys) are released either on their own, or in a blend in which they have a much larger say than at present. Michael Jackson called for this in his 1987 World Guide to Whisky, but the producers either are very reticent or quite possibly have not even thought of doing this since it has been over 50 years since any straight whiskey made in Canada was released in non-blended form. The last ones I am aware of were ironically from Seagram, and were called Pedigree, they came in both a "bourbon" and rye version. As far as I know, these products were taken off the market in the early 1950's.

Gary

Megawatt
03-14-2010, 09:00
I agree with that and the only thing in my view that will change the typical palate significantly is if the so-called flavoring whiskeys (straight batch whiskeys) are released either on their own, or in a blend in which they have a much larger say than at present. Michael Jackson called for this in his 1987 World Guide to Whisky, but the producers either are very reticent or quite possibly have not even thought of doing this since it has been over 50 years since any straight whiskey made in Canada was released in non-blended form. The last ones I am aware of were ironically from Seagram, and were called Pedigree, they came in both a "bourbon" and rye version. As far as I know, these products were taken off the market in the early 1950's.

Gary

Perhaps we should be encouraged that there is a new distiller in Concord that has pot stills and barley malt, and are currently using it to make single malt vodka, presumably to get a quick return on investment. I suspect we will see single malt whisky in a few years.

loose proton
03-14-2010, 09:13
another review of Crown Royal Black

I have a good friend that drinks a lot of better whiskeys (he has THREE bunkers) and is a Jim Beam & Crown fan. He likes regular Crown, but he tried the new Black and thought it was terrible swill.

loose proton
03-14-2010, 09:21
Perhaps we should be encouraged that there is a new distiller in Concord that has pot stills and barley malt, and are currently using it to make single malt vodka, presumably to get a quick return on investment. I suspect we will see single malt whisky in a few years.
They would certainly release young stuff to make a profit. But sometimes young is okay. Here in Virginia, we have Wasmunds, which produces good material. http://www.copperfox.biz/index/

Gillman
03-14-2010, 14:01
I've heard of this venture and it is great news. It will take some time but there is every hope it will introduce some traditional straight-type whiskeys.

I should add that Forty Creek's whiskeys (of Grimsby, Ontario), while a blend (or so I understand) of continuous and batch whiskeys, do attain a flavoursome palate and one that is liked by many, including me. However, I would not regard its products as having the full-bore flavour of a straight or single whiskey.

By the way it is possible that straight whiskeys developed in-house for blending Canadian whisky might resemble some of the High West ryes since there was speculation some of the latter were sourced from Lawrenceburg, Indiana where Seagram's had a long-running plant. That is excellent straight rye, and if Seagram released anything like that I think it would do very well and be a departure for them.

Gary

cowdery
03-14-2010, 14:05
I've never had a chance to study the Canadian laws on the matter, but I think there is a limit to how much low-proof (i.e., under 95% ABV) spirit a given whiskey can contain.

Gillman
03-14-2010, 14:21
Based on reviewing the standards some years back, the rules seemed quite liberal, whisky must be made from a cereal mash, distilled and aged in Canada, aged 3 years in small wood. I think that was it. There might have been a top limit for distillation as in Scotland, but I don't recall it. I'll check again.

Gary

Megawatt
03-14-2010, 16:14
another review of Crown Royal Black

I have a good friend that drinks a lot of better whiskeys (he has THREE bunkers) and is a Jim Beam & Crown fan. He likes regular Crown, but he tried the new Black and thought it was terrible swill.

That is too bad. I wonder why they would release an inferior product, and what they plan on charging for it. Oh well, if this is the case then it is just one less thing to spend my money on.

fishnbowljoe
04-04-2010, 11:53
Here's a couple of links about the Crown Royal Black. One is from John Hansell.

http://www.whatdoesjohnknow.com/2010/03/24/new-crown-royal-black-canadian-whisky/

http://www.luxist.com/2010/03/29/crown-royal-launches-premium-black/


My son has a friend who manages a bar. He has received a couple of bottles of this already. My son has tried it, and while it isn't to his liking, he thought I'd like it. We bought a bottle of Cask 16 a while back and it was good, so...... I think I'm gonna see what I can do about getting a bottle. I cut my teeth on Canadian whiskies, and if this one has more of a "bourbon" flavor, as it advertises, it might prove interesting. Joe

Dramiel McHinson
04-04-2010, 12:47
We received ample supply of the Crown Royal Black and at my Base Shoppette it is the same price as the regular CR, $24.95. My wife likes CR so I picked up a bottle to try. It is in the same taste profile to me as regular CR but more sweet and not as dry or spicy. The wife likes it with ice and a dash of water. I like it as an aperitif. I call it my morning whisky.

silverfish
04-17-2010, 06:03
John Hansell (http://www.whatdoesjohnknow.com/2010/04/16/review-crown-royal-black-canadian-whisky/) wondered if this was "...the Canadian equivalent to Loch Dhu (http://www.thewhiskyexchange.com/P-3020.aspx)?"

Anyone else get that impression?

Parkersback
11-08-2010, 02:53
I looked for a thread on CR Cask 16 and couldn't find one. Just wanted to say that there are two stores here in Brooklyn that are selling it for around $30. One of them is BQE Liquors, which I've mentioned before (and I swear, I do not know those folks, do not work for them, etc. They just happen to have the best prices I've found in a very expensive town).

But I thought I'd mention it as I'm still seeing it here in NYC(and elsewhere) for $70 or more. I've never seen a whiskey have such divergent pricing

matthew0715
11-08-2010, 04:09
I looked for a thread on CR Cask 16 and couldn't find one. Just wanted to say that there are two stores here in Brooklyn that are selling it for around $30. One of them is BQE Liquors, which I've mentioned before (and I swear, I do not know those folks, do not work for them, etc. They just happen to have the best prices I've found in a very expensive town).

But I thought I'd mention it as I'm still seeing it here in NYC(and elsewhere) for $70 or more. I've never seen a whiskey have such divergent pricing

Are you sure that's $30 for a 750ml? The liquor store near me in NJ had CR Cask 16 on sale for only $19.99, but when I looked closer it was the 375ml. The fact that the bottle is so ornate and comes in a plush pouch inside a cardboard not-quite-cylinder made it look bigger than it is. It was still a great price for MA's Canadian Whisky of the Year, especially since it was originally released at $100 (per 750ml). They had a bunch a few months ago but lately that shelf space has been empty.

Parkersback
11-08-2010, 05:14
It's the 750. I bought one at the place I know on Manhattan Ave in Greenpoint for about $35, and I'm sure it's the 750 at BQE, too, they even have it listed in their catalogue for $29 before tax.

http://bqewineandliquors.com/Catalogs/BQE-Spirits.pdf

ThomasH
11-08-2010, 06:13
My wife's favorite is regular CR so we took some CR Black and cut it back to approx. 80 proof and compared the two. Not only is CR Black higher proof, it definitely isn't the same blend at a higher proof. While it isn't bad, the wife likes regular CR much better!

Thomas

JohnHansell
11-08-2010, 09:31
Yeah, I much prefer the other Crown Royal expression to CR Black. I reviewed it here (http://www.whatdoesjohnknow.com/2010/04/16/review-crown-royal-black-canadian-whisky/).

Gillman
11-08-2010, 10:48
I feel the Black is neither fish nor fowl. Seagram should re-introduce a bourbon similar to Benchmark as it was in the 1970's, which is what CR Black reminds me of but only to a degree...

Gray

ebo
03-01-2011, 21:10
I'm not a big Canadian whisky fan, but I decided to grab a bottle of this, at the prodding of a couple of co-workers, who also drink their share of whisk(e)y. I'm glad I did. I honestly like this expression. The higher proof and the "bourbon like" profile sits well with me. It's definitely Canadian, but it's also more... if that makes any sense. I like it.

Gillman
03-01-2011, 21:56
I just wish it was more assertive, but falling short of bourbon as such. Still, it is one of the best of the new crop Canadian whiskies out there.

Gary

Megawatt
03-02-2011, 06:01
I just wish it was more assertive, but falling short of bourbon as such. Still, it is one of the best of the new crop Canadian whiskies out there.

Gary

It's okay for Canadian whisky to taste like Canadian whisky, Gary ;).

This one seems to have divided whisky fans. Some like it, others find it atrocious for some reason.

Gillman
03-03-2011, 03:32
Well, good point: at what point does it become non-Canadian in taste if you amp up the straight whiskey component? But I'd say Black has some way to go still, it is still a fairly mild drink. I still like it though.

Maybe Wiser's Legacy is the one that gets the balance best...

Gary

squire
03-03-2011, 15:50
Perhaps the only Wiser I haven't been able to get my hands on.

Megawatt
03-06-2011, 15:32
Crown Royal Black has just become available in Ontario.

tmckenzie
03-06-2011, 18:15
I tried some today, it has so much caramel in it. That is all I taste with a touch of rye.

Gillman
03-11-2011, 15:21
When I bought this again months after the initial release, it didn't taste quite as good, not sure if it was me or slight changes in batches.

When the level fell to about 23-24 oz. I added Bourye (minimum 10 years) and VWFRR 13 years old (really 18) about 50/50 to my bottle. The result was a more flavourful blend where you can taste the whiskey more and the caramel, if caramel there be, blends well with the other elements.

Not sure what the Seagram blender would think, but I like my version. His has an aged element to it - maybe some of that storied old S-W Diageo owns. But mine just deepens everything.

Gary

Megawatt
03-16-2011, 16:51
I like this stuff. It is pretty much just what I expected: a fuller, more robust Crown Royal with higher alcohol. Though there seems to be a frightening amount of caramel added (I half-expected it to taste like Coca Cola), this doesn't impair my enjoyment of it.

Megawatt
03-19-2011, 11:01
This whisky alternately reminds me of a young bourbon and an old brandy. Really enjoying a glass just now.

jinenjo
03-27-2011, 23:48
Seagram should re-introduce a bourbon similar to Benchmark as it was in the 1970's, which is what CR Black reminds me of but only to a degree...
Gray
Interesting comparison, Gary. Could you say more on this? I can see how '70s era Benchmark has certain Canadian qualities, but CR Black is so bold and uneven. I feel it lacks the finesse that standard CR (and Benchmark, for that matter) shows in the glass.



When the level fell to about 23-24 oz. I added Bourye (minimum 10 years) and VWFRR 13 years old (really 18) about 50/50 to my bottle. The result was a more flavourful blend where you can taste the whiskey more and the caramel, if caramel there be, blends well with the other elements.

I too added some straight rye to a glass with CR Black and found it to be improved on many fronts.

Gillman
03-28-2011, 04:23
Well, the style of Benchmark in the 1970's was almost dark rum-like with a slightly sweet, dark caramel taste. And CR Black is like that, but lighter and in the Canadian style. I think possibly Seagram was recalling this bourbon style with CR Black, however being a Canadian whisky it is still fairly restrained. I've been adding more bourbon and rye to my CR Black, it's about 2:1 now, to try to get the optimum balance for me.

Gary

squire
03-28-2011, 06:56
I well remember that 70s Benchmark, it was made in a time when the producers were striving to earn a top shelf spot by emphasizing quality. It's a shame some of our younger members didn't have the opportunity to regularly drink whisky made by men who were born in the 1890s.

Josh
12-13-2011, 20:12
I just saw a new commercial for Crown Royal black. It struck me as amusing.

The slogan is, "Bold as bourbon, smooth as Crown."

:lol: :lol::lol:

WhiskyToWhiskey
04-17-2012, 15:17
CR Black is a whisky that I don't really care for, but I do like the rye spice and sweetness quality of it; so I decided to make my own vat (never tried this before, I think I read too many of Gary's posts). I decided to mix it with a bourbon I wouldn't miss on my shelf...so I was thinking corner creek or JB white label. Tried CR + Corner Creek equal parts, CR + JB equal parts, then 2 parts CR with 1 part beam and 1 part corner creek. Decided after mixing and trying small samples to use all of what I had and make the last one.

It's different, and better than the other 3 on their own. The rye spice is less intense and better balanced. The finish is short...as I expected it would be from what I was working with.

ThomasH
04-17-2012, 16:08
My wife is a die hard CR drinker but doesn't care for CR black. Not only is the proof different, the blend itself is different!

Thomas