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theDon
04-09-2010, 09:02
So I mentioned I bought a 2 liter barrel and have run several bourbon projects through it over the past few months with great success. I decided to throw the last 200ml of a cuervo 1800 Blanco in it for a couple weeks and got a nice anejo.

I rinsed the barrel, several times and it still reeks of tequila. I filled it half way with some mixing bourbon for about a month, rotating the barrel every couple of days and every sample I take each week still has a tequila finish. It's not tasty, but not unpleasent, just kinda wierd. I am confident I have ruined the bourbon, no big deal, but have I ruined the barrel?

Gillman
04-09-2010, 09:15
I think probably so.

If you are able to do it safely, a re-charring might work. Shave it down and with a gas jet re-char to about 1/4 inch or maybe less (to keep keg intact of course).

Gary

theDon
04-09-2010, 09:27
I was afraid of that. Does anyone know if a barrel cleanser might help. I hate to start pulling the barrel apart to rechar.

At worst I will have a dedicated tequila barrel and will buy a new bourbon one. It was only $35. Thanks for the info!

kickert
04-09-2010, 09:31
I don't think there is much you can do. Those flavors really last a while.

unclebunk
04-09-2010, 09:39
I don't think there is much you can do. Those flavors really last a while.

I was thinking the same. But for $35 you're back in business and the "ruined" barrel sounds like it won't go to waste, since you've got tequila plans up your sleeve.

etohchem
04-09-2010, 10:53
To rechar old fashioned way, fill with hay and burn. the hot fire will burn off the alcohol and hopefully get out the tequilla flavors. should need to remove just one head.

Truman

Dramiel McHinson
04-09-2010, 11:52
I was afraid of that. Does anyone know if a barrel cleanser might help. I hate to start pulling the barrel apart to rechar.

At worst I will have a dedicated tequila barrel and will buy a new bourbon one. It was only $35. Thanks for the info!

Probably this barrel is now best suited for projects with spirits that would go well with a tequila finish like more tequila. But, if you are not ready to rechar, throw away, or buy a new barrel, nothing cleans out alcohol like alcohol. You don't want to add any more flavors so buy some everclear and do three cycles with it. If you add a bit of distilled water to get more volume just don't dilute below 50% ABV. Do a final rinse with distilled water and give her an experimental run with bourbon again.

This will refresh your barrel but bleed some of the influence it has on the whiskey out. If your first run after cleansing is a failure then you're out some time and some everclear and test bourbon.

I guess it all boils down to how much effort do you want to put into trying to save the barrel.

In any case, good luck!!

PAspirit1
04-09-2010, 13:58
How was the Tequila?

barturtle
04-09-2010, 15:33
Actually, nothing cleans out alcohol like water. I'd fill it with boiling water let cool an hour or two and repeat a couple times.

theDon
04-09-2010, 16:44
How was the Tequila?

The tequila was very close to Cuervo Anejo from what I could tell. I'm not too tequila experience, but it was mainly an experiment. I prefer blancos.

Anyway thanks everyone for the advice. I'm not throwing away the barrel, it looks nice on the bar. I'm going to keep the cheap mixing bourbon through it for a few months to see if I can draw out some of the tequila flavor from the wood. That don't work I'll try some of the other suggestions. If that still don't work it's gonna be a tequila barrel and that's that.

cowdery
04-09-2010, 19:44
Both the water and Everclear ideas sound good. I'd stay away from anything involving disassembly, routing, grinding, or fire.

It won't be easy to get the Tequila flavor out of it entirely, I suspect, but that like everything else will change with use. It might change into something you like.

If you do the Everclear idea, don't discard the resulting spirit unless it's really vile. You might be able to use it to make some tasty house blends.

theDon
04-10-2010, 09:52
You know what if I combine the boiling water and Everclear ideas by boiling Everclear? That sounds like a BLAST!

cowdery
04-10-2010, 12:52
Or combine the Everclear and re-charring idea. Fill it about half full of Everclear and drop in a match.

ILLfarmboy
04-10-2010, 13:10
Would you really have to disassemble the barrel to re-charr it? Couldn't you get most of the charr removed with a small angle grinder with a braded
Wire wheel,clean it with boiling water and re-charr?

cigarnv
04-10-2010, 14:03
It sounds like the solutions would cost more in dollars, time and energy than the barrel is worth.......

CorvallisCracker
04-10-2010, 16:52
You could put Laphroaig in it. Couldn't make it worse.

Dramiel McHinson
04-10-2010, 17:00
Or combine the Everclear and re-charring idea. Fill it about half full of Everclear and drop in a match.
:slappin: Chuck, I had a good visual of a CNN breaking news report of a warp speed UFO traversing space with a long comet like tail behind it.

Res/st-or
04-11-2010, 07:20
I really want to try this barreled bourbon thingy... I saw a link posted on another thread where these can be ordered from. I have been consumed by the thought of making an ok bourbon something a little more special. Could you awesomely cool gents repost that link and others if they exist?

CaptainQ
04-11-2010, 07:39
Try this post:http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13002

silverfish
04-11-2010, 07:53
I updated some info in this thread (http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12195) - see post # 10.

Other places to check: Copper Fox (http://www.copperfox.biz/products/) and Kentucky Barrels (http://www.kentuckybarrels.com/)
or try a google search for 2 liter barrel for plenty of options.

Res/st-or
04-11-2010, 16:22
Awesome.... That is exactly what I needed. :cool:

theDon
04-12-2010, 08:32
I really want to try this barreled bourbon thingy... I saw a link posted on another thread where these can be ordered from. I have been consumed by the thought of making an ok bourbon something a little more special. Could you awesomely cool gents repost that link and others if they exist?

I got mine at http://www.oakbarrelsltd.com

kickert
04-12-2010, 09:26
I got mine at http://www.oakbarrelsltd.com

Looks like those are toasted barrels instead of charred barrels. Am I wrong?

theDon
04-12-2010, 10:09
It says toasted, but if you check some other sources like this http://www.thebarrelsource.com/Products-Combo_Specials.html
they say charred (toasted) medium. Does that mean they are the same thing?

I researched and have come to the conclusion that some call Medium charred or toasted. Either way it's halfway (medium) between toasted and fully charred.

Res/st-or
04-12-2010, 15:48
I got mine at http://www.oakbarrelsltd.com

Very nice prices.... What is the deal with the different hoops? They have Galvanized, Black, or Brass hoops. Surely its just for aesthetics..

cowdery
04-12-2010, 16:52
A lot of small barrels are sold primarily as bar decoration.

Res/st-or
04-12-2010, 17:04
Oh well... I bought the 2 liter with brass hoops cuz its soooo purdy. Now I have to decide what to put in it. I really like the OWA, but I've always thought it could use a bit more age. Any thoughts on better candidates?

p_elliott
04-13-2010, 07:12
Oh well... I bought the 2 liter with brass hoops cuz its soooo purdy. Now I have to decide what to put in it. I really like the OWA, but I've always thought it could use a bit more age. Any thoughts on better candidates?

WT 101 Rye is what I had in mind.

theDon
04-13-2010, 07:48
Oh well... I bought the 2 liter with brass hoops cuz its soooo purdy. Now I have to decide what to put in it. I really like the OWA, but I've always thought it could use a bit more age. Any thoughts on better candidates?

I went with the black hoops cause they were the cheapest. I thought about OWA also. High proof is good. I have had good results from 100 proof and better. Any cheap 100 proof will have noticable results in a short amount of time. I wanted to find some HH 100 p gold label and see if it could be smoothed out with a little more time in a barrel.

silverfish
04-13-2010, 08:17
If you wanna start from high proof scratch (so to speak,)
try the Wasmunds un-aged spirits as seen at Binny's (http://www.binnys.com/spirits/search/?advs=2&astxt=wasmund).

I've had three barrels in the basement since Feb. 1st and
look forward to the results. One is a Single Malt barrel
Mother's Day gift for my sister-in-law!

p_elliott
04-13-2010, 08:34
If you wanna start from high proof scratch (so to speak,)
try the Wasmunds un-aged spirits as seen at Binny's (http://www.binnys.com/spirits/search/?advs=2&astxt=wasmund).

I've had three barrels in the basement since Feb. 1st and
look forward to the results. One is a Single Malt barrel
Mother's Day gift for my sister-in-law!

Why in the basement it would be to cold ?

ILLfarmboy
04-13-2010, 09:28
WT 101 Rye is what I had in mind.

Excellent choice!

Great rye that could use a bit more age.

Res/st-or
04-13-2010, 15:24
If you wanna start from high proof scratch (so to speak,)
try the Wasmunds un-aged spirits as seen at Binny's (http://www.binnys.com/spirits/search/?advs=2&astxt=wasmund).

I've had three barrels in the basement since Feb. 1st and
look forward to the results. One is a Single Malt barrel
Mother's Day gift for my sister-in-law!

Wow... I didn't know there was such a thing. Still leaning towards the OWA though. Thanks for the input. :cool:

silverfish
04-14-2010, 07:04
Why in the basement it would be to cold ?

I'm located in Western NY (near Buffalo) and back in Feb.
it's cold in any part of the house. Plus, my sister in law
visits frequently and the basement is one of the few places
everyone else avoids.

Now that you mention it, maybe it's time to transfer them
to the garage attic for some springtime warmth!

ErichPryde
04-15-2010, 00:06
WT 101 Rye is what I had in mind.


Excellent choice!

Great rye that could use a bit more age.

that makes three of us.

theDon
04-15-2010, 09:38
Another week has gone by with bourbon in my barrel and it seems to be getting better. There is no tequila nose coming from the bung hole or from a sample in the glass and there is only a hint of tequila in the taste. I'm actually started to get some nice bourbon flavors despite the off note. I'm going to give it a few more weeks and reload with some fresh juice. Maybe a nice strong WT Rye would get the barrel back on track.

kickert
04-15-2010, 10:31
There is no tequila nose coming from the bung hole.

This would only make sense on this forum... and perhaps at a spring break party in Cancun.

unclebunk
04-15-2010, 10:47
This would only make sense on this forum... and perhaps at a spring break party in Cancun.

Very funny, Kick. That really made me laugh!

theDon
04-15-2010, 11:25
This would only make sense on this forum... and perhaps at a spring break party in Cancun.

Dang......I probably shouldn't tell you about how I sucked on the spigot....geeez!

Res/st-or
04-15-2010, 15:44
Dang......I probably shouldn't tell you about how I sucked on the spigot....geeez!

And nothing happened to the bunghole I hope. :bigeyes:

Res/st-or
04-15-2010, 15:50
Sooo... Does the char lose any of its caramelizing properties when you use it more than once?

cowdery
04-15-2010, 17:37
Have you ever used a tea bag twice? It's like that.

theDon
04-16-2010, 06:43
Have you ever used a tea bag twice? It's like that.

Where are you on that one Kickert? Come on.......Tea Bag......you should be all over it.

Bonfire Smoke
04-23-2010, 12:24
I have been maturing bourbon in a small barrel for over a year now. I have decanted several bottles from the barrel. I use OC 8 yr old. After a few months in the barrel it really smooths out and becomes drinkable. I can not drink the OC 8 yr old from off the shelf. When this batch comes out I am going to dry the barrel and rechar it. I have a small propane torch that I will use without taking the barrel apart. I have a blog on my project. I have not updated it in quite some time. Take a look. http://backroombourbonhome.blogspot.com. Let me know what you think.

Johnny