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Clayton74
05-05-2010, 06:59
Folks in Australia would well know that the Aussie distributor of Wild Turkey has in Oz lost distribution of this brand. That company is Pernod - Ricard.
Wild Turkey will now be distributed by Campari.

So many would think Pernod - Ricard now "Bourbonless" but this is not the case at all. They also control Four Roses!

So if you're an Aussie on this forum, show your support and how much you would love to see Four Roses here!
And if you're in the US or elsewhere, please get on here and tell us how good the Four Roses range is and maybe, just maybe Pernod - Ricard will take notice and bring the range down under!!!

p_elliott
05-05-2010, 08:35
Folks in Australia would well know that the Aussie distributor of Wild Turkey has in Oz lost distribution of this brand. That company is Pernod - Ricard.
Wild Turkey will now be distributed by Campari.

So many would think Pernod - Ricard now "Bourbonless" but this is not the case at all. They also control Four Roses!

So if you're an Aussie on this forum, show your support and how much you would love to see Four Roses here!
And if you're in the US or elsewhere, please get on here and tell us how good the Four Roses range is and maybe, just maybe Pernod - Ricard will take notice and bring the range down under!!!

Pernod Ricard used OWN Wild Turkey they sold it to Campari. Pernod Ricard has nothing to do with Four Roses it is owned by Kirin a japanese company which makes me wonder why you don't get it.

Clayton74
05-05-2010, 09:51
Pernod Ricard used OWN Wild Turkey they sold it to Campari. Pernod Ricard has nothing to do with Four Roses it is owned by Kirin a japanese company which makes me wonder why you don't get it.

Fingers crossed we will mate!

matthew0715
05-05-2010, 10:15
Pernod Ricard has nothing to do with Four Roses it is owned by Kirin a japanese company which makes me wonder why you don't get it.

According to the Pernod Ricard website, they entered (in 2002) a "Partnership agreement with Kirin for distribution of Four Roses (bourbon)."

It doesn't mention in which territories they control distribution, but a Four Roses link elsewhere on their site take you to the German Four Roses homepage.

-Matt

p_elliott
05-05-2010, 10:28
According to the Pernod Ricard website, they entered (in 2002) a "Partnership agreement with Kirin for distribution of Four Roses (bourbon)."

It doesn't mention in which territories they control distribution, but a Four Roses link elsewhere on their site take you to the German Four Roses homepage.

-Matt


Interesting :skep:

OscarV
05-05-2010, 11:13
Folks in Australia would well know that the Aussie distributor of Wild Turkey has in Oz lost distribution of this brand. That company is Pernod - Ricard.
Wild Turkey will now be distributed by Campari.

So many would think Pernod - Ricard now "Bourbonless" but this is not the case at all. They also control Four Roses!

So if you're an Aussie on this forum, show your support and how much you would love to see Four Roses here!
And if you're in the US or elsewhere, please get on here and tell us how good the Four Roses range is and maybe, just maybe Pernod - Ricard will take notice and bring the range down under!!!

Losing Wild Turkey is one hell of a big loss. Didn't WT sell 20% or 30% of their bourbon in Austrailia?


According to the Pernod Ricard website, they entered (in 2002) a "Partnership agreement with Kirin for distribution of Four Roses (bourbon)."

It doesn't mention in which territories they control distribution, but a Four Roses link elsewhere on their site take you to the German Four Roses homepage.

-Matt

Hey Clayton, how's that for fast action.
SB.com comes thru again!

camduncan
05-05-2010, 17:53
We sort of have Four Roses in Australia.... The export version of McKenna is made by Four Roses and is available in most Aussie retail stores. Then there's Bulleit....:skep:

Pieface
05-05-2010, 18:01
We sort of have Four Roses in Australia.... The export version of McKenna is made by Four Roses and is available in most Aussie retail stores. Then there's Bulleit....:skep:

Great sense of humour there Cam.

I'll admit I haven't tried McKenna but the Bulliet has been garbage since it sropped from 90pf.

Cheers,
Morgan

Clayton74
05-06-2010, 04:02
[quote=OscarV;204965]Losing Wild Turkey is one hell of a big loss. Didn't WT sell 20% or 30% of their bourbon in Australia

I believe Australia, particularly Western Australia then South Australia are the
biggest markets outside the US for Bourbon

Clayton74
05-06-2010, 04:03
Great sense of humour there Cam.

I'll admit I haven't tried McKenna but the Bulliet has been garbage since it sropped from 90pf.

Cheers,
Morgan

Agree for sure!!

Clayton74
05-06-2010, 04:05
Great sense of humour there Cam.

I'll admit I haven't tried McKenna but the Bulliet has been garbage since it sropped from 90pf.

Cheers,
Morgan

I have had Mckenna and you're not missing much

Clayton74
05-06-2010, 04:07
Hey Clayton, how's that for fast action.
SB.com comes thru again![/quote]

Very impressive mate

Stones
05-07-2010, 00:41
Have read many good things about 4 Roses but have never tried it myself, if it is like McKenna then i might pass unfortunately. :rolleyes:

camduncan
05-07-2010, 13:50
Have read many good things about 4 Roses but have never tried it myself, if it is like McKenna then i might pass unfortunately. :rolleyes:

Tym, we're 3/4 through the renovations at the moment. I promise when they're finished we'll get together with Scott for a Four Roses tasting.:grin:

matthew0715
05-07-2010, 15:35
We sort of have Four Roses in Australia.... The export version of McKenna is made by Four Roses and is available in most Aussie retail stores. Then there's Bulleit....:skep:

Henry McKenna is a Heaven Hill brand for at least the last 5+ years. I don't understand why they'd have Four Roses making export McKenna for them unless this has something to do with Ye Olde Distillery Fire. Does anyone have any evidence (I'll settle for hearsay) to confirm or deny this?

-Matt

camduncan
05-07-2010, 18:59
Henry McKenna is a Heaven Hill brand for at least the last 5+ years. I don't understand why they'd have Four Roses making export McKenna for them unless this has something to do with Ye Olde Distillery Fire. Does anyone have any evidence (I'll settle for hearsay) to confirm or deny this?

-Matt

The McKenna domestic (US) brand is owned by Heaven Hill, and the export brand rights are owned by Four Roses - hence two different distilleries making two very different products.

Stones
05-07-2010, 21:54
Tym, we're 3/4 through the renovations at the moment. I promise when they're finished we'll get together with Scott for a Four Roses tasting.:grin:

Sounds great Cam, maybe it's high time i had you guys over? Let me know what dates you, Scott and the families have free in the near future weekend wise and i'll check if we're available to do then as well.

:toast:

spy247
05-26-2010, 19:39
[quote=OscarV;204965]Losing Wild Turkey is one hell of a big loss. Didn't WT sell 20% or 30% of their bourbon in Australia

I believe Australia, particularly Western Australia then South Australia are the
biggest markets outside the US for Bourbon

Hey Clayton, when I toured the Wild Turkey distillery last year I got to met and chat with Jimmy Russell. He said that Australia was their biggest export market. Heck even when the demand for WT was decreasing else where, the exports to OZ were increasing. Also He and his son have been vistors to Perth in the last few years.

Clayton74
05-29-2010, 04:33
[quote=Clayton74;205045]

Hey Clayton, when I toured the Wild Turkey distillery last year I got to met and chat with Jimmy Russell. He said that Australia was their biggest export market. Heck even when the demand for WT was decreasing else where, the exports to OZ were increasing. Also He and his son have been vistors to Perth in the last few years.


Very jealous of meeting Jimmy Russell mate, lucky you. The sad part of the story is as usual we get basic "core" brands from the distillers. is it because that's enough to keep the majority of us happy? I think it is. When I spoke to our WT supplier he said they are not prepared to "risk" lines they cannot turnover

Where does Dan Murphy's allocation of 6000 cases (36,000 bottles) of Wild Turkey 14 y.o Tradition fit in I wonder???
Most stores should have got it this week @ $100 a bottle I believe.

camduncan
05-29-2010, 13:25
[quote=spy247;207435]
Where does Dan Murphy's allocation of 6000 cases (36,000 bottles) of Wild Turkey 14 y.o Tradition fit in I wonder???
Most stores should have got it this week @ $100 a bottle I believe.

That's exciting! I might have to pick a couple of bottles up :grin:

gblick
05-29-2010, 15:09
[quote=spy247;207435]Where does Dan Murphy's allocation of 6000 cases (36,000 bottles) of Wild Turkey 14 y.o Tradition fit in I wonder???
Most stores should have got it this week @ $100 a bottle I believe.At the prices I've heard that y'all are used to paying for your bourbon, that sounds like a bargain.

HighTower
05-30-2010, 02:39
Folks in Australia would well know that the Aussie distributor of Wild Turkey has in Oz lost distribution of this brand. That company is Pernod - Ricard.
Wild Turkey will now be distributed by Campari.

So many would think Pernod - Ricard now "Bourbonless" but this is not the case at all. They also control Four Roses!

So if you're an Aussie on this forum, show your support and how much you would love to see Four Roses here!
And if you're in the US or elsewhere, please get on here and tell us how good the Four Roses range is and maybe, just maybe Pernod - Ricard will take notice and bring the range down under!!!

I like the way you think Clayton, and I imagine that Pernod aren't the only company that would love a great bourbon in their portfolio. The problem is with these guys...they are about to lose WT, which accounts for 30% of their sales. Obviously it is a world renowned brand that sells itself. Outside of the US, Europe and Japanese markets, I would suspect that not many average bourbon drinkers would know about Four Roses at all, which is a great shame.....as obviously such a brand would be a risk for them.

With 30% of their sales market gone, they have let go 30% of their staff. A good friend of mine was retrenched after 9.5 years with them.

Clayton, may I ask where you work?

Kind regards
Scott

HighTower
05-30-2010, 02:54
[quote=spy247;207435]


Very jealous of meeting Jimmy Russell mate, lucky you. The sad part of the story is as usual we get basic "core" brands from the distillers. is it because that's enough to keep the majority of us happy? I think it is. When I spoke to our WT supplier he said they are not prepared to "risk" lines they cannot turnover

Where does Dan Murphy's allocation of 6000 cases (36,000 bottles) of Wild Turkey 14 y.o Tradition fit in I wonder???
Most stores should have got it this week @ $100 a bottle I believe.

Clayton,

They only made 30,000 bottles of Tradition. 16,000 were allocated to the US, the remaining 14k to Japan and AUS. I would hazard a guess that we got 7,000 bottles each. If it's $100 a bottle, I'm going to stock up big time! I just got some a few weeks ago and by the time I paid customs and freight charges they landed at AU$180.

Jimmy Russell was over here approximately 6 weeks ago for a very brief visit to meet to Campari staff. I have been told after they have taken over, Jimmy should be coming back for a longer stay and doing the regular industry nights he has previously done over here. Apparently Eddie will not be coming as he has to man the fort! :grin:
I am trying to organise a private tasting while he is in Brisbane, where we will taste a very large range of exclusive WT bottlings.

As far as the "core" brands are concerned, the reason they aren't going to bring the new Russell's Reserve out is because it is not WT branded at all, and not many people over here know who Jimmy Russell is. Damn shame as it would increase not only their portfolio but get more interest in premium brands; but like you already pointed out it's a risk for them.
Kentucky Spirit would be great in limited numbers, but I guess it would hurt US and Japanese availability with it's limited bottling times.

Also Clayton, your state isn't listed...where you at mate?? :grin:

Now I'm going to show off......I just turned 30 and I was gifted 3 bottles for my birthday that collectively spent 30 years in american oak!

Cheers

Scott

HighTower
05-30-2010, 02:59
Have read many good things about 4 Roses but have never tried it myself, if it is like McKenna then i might pass unfortunately. :rolleyes:


Tym, we're 3/4 through the renovations at the moment. I promise when they're finished we'll get together with Scott for a Four Roses tasting.:grin:


Tym,

Trust me you do not want to pass!! Especially on the 2009 FR Mariage! Actually I think you may have tried that at my place....but yeah we need to do that. the last FR tasting was Yellow label, Single Barrel, Euro SB, Small Batch, FR 120th Anniversary, FR 40th Anniversary and FR platinum. We can now add mariage to that!

Scott

spy247
05-31-2010, 19:49
WT Tradition at $100 per bottle. That sounds good to me. I'm have to stock up.

Virus_Of_Life
05-31-2010, 19:54
[quote=Clayton74;207708]
Now I'm going to show off......I just turned 30 and I was gifted 3 bottles for my birthday that collectively spent 30 years in american oak!

Beautiful Scott! Absolutely beautiful.

Stones
06-01-2010, 01:44
Tym,

Trust me you do not want to pass!! Especially on the 2009 FR Mariage! Actually I think you may have tried that at my place....but yeah we need to do that. the last FR tasting was Yellow label, Single Barrel, Euro SB, Small Batch, FR 120th Anniversary, FR 40th Anniversary and FR platinum. We can now add mariage to that!

Scott

Did i? I remember the Elmer T and the Jefferson's Presidential Select 17yo but the FR Marriage evades me for some reason. I've read others say it is a fine drop and am ashamed if i'm unable to remember it. :rolleyes:

Clayton74
06-02-2010, 18:50
[quote=HighTower;207777]I like the way you think Clayton, and I imagine that Pernod aren't the only company that would love a great bourbon in their portfolio. The problem is with these guys...they are about to lose WT, which accounts for 30% of their sales. Obviously it is a world renowned brand that sells itself. Outside of the US, Europe and Japanese markets, I would suspect that not many average bourbon drinkers would know about Four Roses at all, which is a great shame.....as obviously such a brand would be a risk for them. Sponsor a V8 supercar I say!!

With 30% of their sales market gone, they have let go 30% of their staff. A good friend of mine was retrenched after 9.5 years with them.

I heard about that and it's very unfortunate.

Clayton, may I ask where you work?


I'm in Perth and manage an independent liquor store, why I dont know!

Clayton74
06-02-2010, 18:55
[quote=Clayton74;207708]

Clayton,

They only made 30,000 bottles of Tradition. 16,000 were allocated to the US, the remaining 14k to Japan and AUS. I would hazard a guess that we got 7,000 bottles each. If it's $100 a bottle, I'm going to stock up big time! I just got some a few weeks ago and by the time I paid customs and freight charges they landed at AU$180.


I am trying to organise a private tasting while he is in Brisbane, where we will taste a very large range of exclusive WT bottlings.

As far as the "core" brands are concerned, the reason they aren't going to bring the new Russell's Reserve out is because it is not WT branded at all, and not many people over here know who Jimmy Russell is. Damn shame as it would increase not only their portfolio but get more interest in premium brands; but like you already pointed out it's a risk for them.
Kentucky Spirit would be great in limited numbers, but I guess it would hurt US and Japanese availability with it's limited bottling times.

Also Clayton, your state isn't listed...where you at mate?? :grin:

Now I'm going to show off......I just turned 30 and I was gifted 3 bottles for my birthday that collectively spent 30 years in american oak!

Cheers

Scott

My understanding is Dan's had a "special" bottling done for them, got this from an excellent source...

Wt Russells Reserve is in Vintage Cellars isn't it?

BTW that's a great looking lineup, That WTRR Rye is supposed to be great!

camduncan
06-02-2010, 20:27
[quote=HighTower;207778]
Wt Russells Reserve is in Vintage Cellars isn't it?


WT RR 101 was released here through Vintage Cellars & First Choice I think..... so basically Coles/Myer. It's mostly gone now, but every now and again I see a stash of multiple bottles (the last one was about 12 bottles @ $80 each at one particular store)

HighTower
06-03-2010, 04:13
[quote=HighTower;207778]

My understanding is Dan's had a "special" bottling done for them, got this from an excellent source...

Wt Russells Reserve is in Vintage Cellars isn't it?

BTW that's a great looking lineup, That WTRR Rye is supposed to be great!

I'm very keen to see what eventuates........bit of a Turkey fan :) I visited Dans the other day to see if they had anything great but no cigar!

The Russell's reserve 101 that Vintage Cellars have is very identifiably a Wild Turkey product. The 90 proof does not have Wild Turkey written on the bottle at all (the new ones anyway). Haven't cracked the RR Rye yet, might open one this weekend :yum:

I worked for Liquorland for 10 years, but now manage a couple of Independents myself.....the 'other side' is so great! :grin:

Scott

Clayton74
06-04-2010, 05:42
[quote=HighTower;208118][quote=Clayton74;208096]

I'm very keen to see what eventuates........bit of a Turkey fan :) I visited Dans the other day to see if they had anything great but no cigar!

The Russell's reserve 101 that Vintage Cellars have is very identifiably a Wild Turkey product. The 90 proof does not have Wild Turkey written on the bottle at all (the new ones anyway). Haven't cracked the RR Rye yet, might open one this weekend :yum:

I worked for Liquorland for 10 years, but now manage a couple of Independents myself.....the 'other side' is so great! :grin:


Mate tell me your nearest Dan's and I'll get you an ETA if you like??

camduncan
06-04-2010, 13:40
Mines Wooloongabba and I think Scott's is Springwood. An ETA would be awesome - thanks Clayton :)

HighTower
06-04-2010, 13:43
Yeah Springwood for me :grin: that would be great!

:toast:

Clayton74
06-05-2010, 02:11
Mines Wooloongabba and I think Scott's is Springwood. An ETA would be awesome - thanks Clayton :)


Yeah Springwood for me :grin: that would be great!

:toast:

Leave it with me guys and I'll PM you. Out of curiosity have you tried the stores yet?

camduncan
06-05-2010, 13:38
I was at the Springwood store yesterday - not a bad bourbon section but definately no Tradition.

Stones
06-07-2010, 00:12
I went to mine at Albany Creek and there was none either - Clayton could you PM me when they might be receiving their batch too? Muchly appreciated. :grin:

HighTower
06-07-2010, 03:08
I was at Springwood on Wednesday or Thursday last week.
A mate of mine in Melbourne called me this evening, he was at his local Dans and they had 2 on the shelf for $100 a piece.

Nice work Clayton!

spy247
06-07-2010, 19:20
Hi Guys,

I picked up two bottles of Tradition from my Dan Murphys in Morley, Perth at $100 each. Thats all they had.

Cracked one open on the weekend. Its a great bourbon :grin:

HighTower
06-09-2010, 05:04
I went looking yesterday but no cigar.
Woolworths have just stopped buying from ALM up here and set up their own warehouse, so it could mean delays for us QLDers.
My mate went back and got 2 in Melb, they had sold the other 10 in a week and a bit.
I can't see this being around too long, especially in the high volume atmosphere of most DM stores.

Scott

Stones
07-07-2010, 15:46
Anyone in Qld seen WT tradition on the shelves yet? :skep:

camduncan
07-08-2010, 21:40
Anyone in Qld seen WT tradition on the shelves yet? :skep:

I picked up 2 bottles at Dan Murphy's Wooloongabba last week for $99 each. They had several more in stock at the time.

HighTower
07-09-2010, 22:03
Chermside, Holland Park and the Airport also had some stock a week or 2 ago

Stones
07-11-2010, 00:58
Outstanding gents, thanks for the tips. :cool:

camduncan
07-11-2010, 15:06
I was at Wooloongabba store again yesterday to pick up a case of Soft Merlot for Jen. I swung by the spirits section and they still had a couple of bottles of Tradition on the shelves.

Tym, I have the car at work most days. PM me if you want to do a lunch time trip over to the store :)

lonemango
07-16-2010, 18:42
Hi Guys,
Was in Dan's Gabba yesterday, picked up a bottle of WT Tradtional. Spoke to the manager, has 9 bottles left. Cheers Neil

HighTower
07-24-2010, 04:02
Hey Neil,

Welcome aboard mate!
Saw your PM, I'll give you a call soon bud!

Cheers
Scott

Stones
07-30-2010, 00:26
I was at Wooloongabba store again yesterday to pick up a case of Soft Merlot for Jen. I swung by the spirits section and they still had a couple of bottles of Tradition on the shelves.

Tym, I have the car at work most days. PM me if you want to do a lunch time trip over to the store :)

I might just take you up on that offer Cam! :grin:

HighTower
08-01-2010, 05:13
I might just take you up on that offer Cam! :grin:
Might need some for the 19th, eh? :grin:
Scott

Stones
08-04-2010, 21:13
Might need some for the 19th, eh? :grin:
Scott

Depending on my sobriety i might bring in the only 12yo Gold Foil i have... :grin: