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VERITAS
05-08-2010, 11:20
While its completely understandable why there are no "bourbon for sale" threads, what about a trading thread/forum between board members? I see several posts from 4 or 5 years ago regarding this - but haven't seen anything recently. I noticed that Jim said he wasn't interested in doing anything like this, but that was nearly 4 years ago.

I have over 100 bottles of bourbon, but most are fairly new and I'd love to get my hands on some old stuff. I know there are several members on the board that have older bottlings, that have a hard time tracking down new releases due to where they live.

There may be some legalities surrounding this but I figured I'd ask... Perhaps people can just list what they have or what they are willing to part with and everything else can be conducted via PM or email...

nor02lei
05-08-2010, 14:58
what about a trading thread/forum between board members?

I would defiantly like an open trade thread here on the forum. I believe everything above the waterline is better than below.

Leif

Special Reserve
05-08-2010, 16:16
I'm not a lawyer nor law enforcement, but I think they may be laws about trading spirits. Thus, no forum.

Enabler
05-08-2010, 17:04
Wuss. Do it subtley. "Say, I have a bottle of amber fluid, orange label, 20 years old, rhymes with Pan Crinkle that I would gladly trade you today for a hamburger on tuesday."

Special Reserve
05-08-2010, 17:22
I'm not so certain that I'm a wuss nor is the man in charge of the website, but an open forum discussing illegal activities is just not a good idea.

Rughi
05-08-2010, 17:59
Wuss..

Wuss?

What is it this weekend with newbies hurling insults as soon as they get a foot in the door?

Roger

DeanSheen
05-08-2010, 18:09
Wuss?

What is it this weekend with newbies hurling insults as soon as they get a foot in the door?

Roger

I agree. Kids - Lawn - Off!!!!

Enabler
05-08-2010, 20:03
Ah, my apologies. I was joking. I will be less subtle next time. And the noobs thing, eh?

Special Reserve
05-09-2010, 02:05
Ah, my apologies. I was joking. I will be less subtle next time. And the noobs thing, eh?

Apology accepted, I offended.

ErichPryde
05-09-2010, 04:28
Well, I have a hamburger for trade if anyone would want it. If someone still has those compromising pictures of Paul, that would be great- I'll even throw in some highly collectible mustard if they come in a manilla envelope. :cool:

ggilbertva
05-09-2010, 07:08
Well, I have a hamburger for trade if anyone would want it. If someone still has those compromising pictures of Paul, that would be great- I'll even throw in some highly collectible mustard if they come in a manilla envelope. :cool:

LOL....thank you Erik. :slappin:

ggilbertva
05-09-2010, 07:11
I'm not a lawyer (nor do I play on on TV), but I agree there may be legal issues with a forum openly trading spirits. The man always wants taxes on any spirits transaction and trading across state lines, especially to those with laws prohibiting such transportation, would be an issue. And then having forum posts that document said transactions......well, you get the point.

Res/st-or
05-09-2010, 07:21
I have a friend in Canada that I am wanting to send a bottle to. Her selection is very limited. I was planning on asking the post office first, but since this thread was opened it may be better to ask it here and not waste the trip. Should I expect the ATF knocking on my door?

barturtle
05-09-2010, 08:56
I have a friend in Canada that I am wanting to send a bottle to. Her selection is very limited. I was planning on asking the post office first, but since this thread was opened it may be better to ask it here and not waste the trip. Should I expect the ATF knocking on my door?

It is illegal to ship alcohol via US Post. It would be a Federal Crime.

silverfish
05-09-2010, 11:17
Shipping bottles was discussed in this thread (http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12701).

Updated policy links:

USPS Restricted Matter - Intoxicating Liquors (http://pe.usps.gov/text/pub52/pub52c4_006.htm)

FedEx Dangerous Goods policy (http://www.fedex.com/us/services/options/index.html?tsid=s4)

UPS Hazardous Materials Service Definition (http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources/ship/hazardous/responsible/requirements.html)

DHL Dangerous Goods policy (http://www.dhl.com/en/express/shipping/shipping_advice/dangerous_goods.html)

Res/st-or
05-09-2010, 19:42
ok... that sums it up....Thanks

OscarV
05-10-2010, 02:15
ok... that sums it up....Thanks

Guess what I'm doing this morning?
Shipping some of KY's finest to another SB.com member.
Communicate thru PM and tell the postal person it's just antique Coca-Cola bottles or home made maple syrup.

I hope this helps.:grin:

sgtgto
05-10-2010, 05:39
Guess what I'm doing this morning?
Shipping some of KY's finest to another SB.com member.
Communicate thru PM and tell the postal person it's just antique Coca-Cola bottles or home made maple syrup.

I hope this helps.:grin:

But... but... thats unethical!

Unless it is to me of course.

Skunk
05-10-2010, 05:57
Without discussing trading and shipping arrangements in an open forum, it would be nice to have a "What X Bottle do you have that that you wish were a Y Bottle (Spring of 2010)" thread.

OscarV
05-10-2010, 14:15
Without discussing trading and shipping arrangements in an open forum, it would be nice to have a "What X Bottle do you have that that you wish were a Y Bottle (Spring of 2010)" thread.

Yep! It sure would be.
But you have to remember, all this alcohol trading gets the attention of the Man.
He thinks we are trying to evade paying taxes on spirits, so we gotta be cool and low key.

whskylvr
05-10-2010, 14:54
The taxes have already been paid by the retailer and the customer. I know thats the way it is but if two people bought said product they paid the taxes and then traded them (what would the difference be if they each bought the other bottle). It is absolutely ridiculous. But hey that the way it is.

OscarV
05-10-2010, 15:31
I know thats the way it is but if two people bought said product they paid the taxes and then traded them (what would the difference be if they each bought the other bottle). It is absolutely ridiculous.

I know that and you know that.
But the tax Man don't play no games.
You can rape, rob and murder here in the USA, but if you don't pay the taxman you will pay in other ways that you will regret.

ErichPryde
05-10-2010, 17:47
I know that and you know that.
But the tax Man don't play no games.
You can rape, rob and murder here in the USA, but if you don't pay the taxman you will pay in other ways that you will regret.

It's like buying a car in the state of kansas. I pay the initial sales tax, and then when I sell it someone else has to pay the sales tax. and when he sells it.... Ricidulous system! If a valuable car sells a couple of times at decent retail, the state could make as much in taxes as it cost to build!

cowdery
05-11-2010, 09:31
For legal purposes, trading is no different than selling.

It's crazy, because the laws weren't intended to prevent collector-type transactions, and 'the man' has generally ignored this sort of thing, but a web site that facilitates law-breaking has liabilities, so you can't do it here. (I'm not the authority, nor am I speaking for him, I'm just describing the reality of the situation.)

tommyboy38
05-13-2010, 05:47
Nothing wrong with two friends exchanging gifts.

Special Reserve
05-13-2010, 06:42
Nothing wrong with two friends exchanging gifts.

A agree 100% with that, it is just best done on the PM. There are ways of doing it without fanfare.

jbutler
05-21-2010, 09:20
While its completely understandable why there are no "bourbon for sale" threads, what about a trading thread/forum between board members? I see several posts from 4 or 5 years ago regarding this - but haven't seen anything recently. I noticed that Jim said he wasn't interested in doing anything like this, but that was nearly 4 years ago.

I have over 100 bottles of bourbon, but most are fairly new and I'd love to get my hands on some old stuff. I know there are several members on the board that have older bottlings, that have a hard time tracking down new releases due to where they live.

There may be some legalities surrounding this but I figured I'd ask... Perhaps people can just list what they have or what they are willing to part with and everything else can be conducted via PM or email...

Alright guys, I'm a little late here, but just ran across this thread.

Here's the bottom line; I don't want to see any sales or trades take place in public here. I have been advised against such things by SB's legal counsel, and I take his advice very seriously. All it would take to get rid of this site is the feds bringing an action against us for facilitating illegal activity. We don't make any money, so we don't have any money to defend ourselves against something of that nature.

I have instructed all staff to henceforth eliminate any trade offer/sales threads upon discovery, as they put us at severe risk. No discussion, no negotiation, just gone.

I don't want any sales stuff going on in PM's either, because once I approve of that, then some retailer will see it as a rules loophole and start spamming the membership.

Trading with each other via PM? I have no idea what any of you are talking about. :grin: