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whgaunce@alltel.
06-30-2010, 10:22
Forgive me if this has been adressed before. I have tried to read all of the posts on this subject. My question is simple: How many bourbons are now available that are labelled "Bottled in Bond" I would like to set aside a special place for these in my display ( and for comparison) but I do not know how many there are. Any help?:cool:

Rughi
06-30-2010, 10:32
Forgive me if this has been adressed before. I have tried to read all of the posts on this subject. My question is simple: How many bourbons are now available that are labelled "Bottled in Bond" I would like to set aside a special place for these in my display ( and for comparison) but I do not know how many there are. Any help?:cool:

If we knew where you were located that would make things easier. Some states have much more variety in limited distribution brands. Kentucky and Texas come to mind as being more bond-friendly.

Edit: I found embedded in one of your posts that you're in the heart of bourbon country. Kentucky locals should be able to better help, especially with what Heaven Hill and former Barton products are available.

Roger

p_elliott
06-30-2010, 10:58
Like Roger said it all depends on where you live certain BIB are only available in limited locations. Like Tom Moore is only available in LA and TX. There are a ton of BIB that are the same thing with just a different label slapped on.

Paul

PaulO
06-30-2010, 13:18
I can tell you the bottled in bond brands that I have seen or heard of lately available. From Heaven Hill; Heaven Hill 4 year old, Heaven Hill 6 year old, JTS Brown, JW Dant, Old Fitzgerald, Evan Williams (BIB available in some states), Rittenhouse (rye), Mellow Corn (corn whiskey).

From Beam; Old Grandad. I think Buffalo Trace makes an Ancient Age BIB, and Barton makes a Very Old Barton BIB. There are probably others.

matthew0715
06-30-2010, 14:18
I can tell you the bottled in bond brands that I have seen or heard of lately available. From Heaven Hill; Heaven Hill 4 year old, Heaven Hill 6 year old, JTS Brown, JW Dant, Old Fitzgerald, Evan Williams (BIB available in some states), Rittenhouse (rye), Mellow Corn (corn whiskey).

From Beam; Old Grandad. I think Buffalo Trace makes an Ancient Age BIB, and Barton makes a Very Old Barton BIB. There are probably others.

Heaven Hill also puts out Henry McKenna 10yo BIB.
Wild Turkey American Spirit is BIB.

Old Forester Repeal might be, I know it was 100 proof.
Knob Creek is also 100 proof, but does not say Bonded. I guess Beam pays the taxes on that upfront, rather than going through a Gov't Bonded Warehouse.

Bonded doesn't mean as much today as it did 100+ years ago, at least regarding quality. There are enough government regulations on all alcohol to insure a decent minimum quality, and most distillers today are really trying to put out a good product, not trying to put one over on the public.

IMO, YMMV, and any other disclaimers as necessary.

OscarV
06-30-2010, 15:55
How many bourbons are now available that are labelled "Bottled in Bond"



Get them while you can, BIB's are a dying breed.
Old Grand Dad BIB is a good one and Henry McKenna BIB is also a 10yo single barrel.

sku
06-30-2010, 16:43
Old Potrero Hoatlings is also BIB, though it is a rye and not a Bourbon. It and Ritt 100 may be the only BIB ryes. They're the only ones I can think of anyway.

callmeox
06-30-2010, 17:23
Not to derail the thread, but wouldn't any 100 proof single barrel bourbon be bottled in bond by definition? (like FRSB) Perhaps the Four Roses warehouses don't have the "bonded warehouse" shingle hanging over the door.

From the Wikipedia article on bonded spirits:

JTS Brown Bourbon
J.W. Dant Bourbon
Heaven Hill Bourbon (4 and 6 year old versio
Henry McKenna 10 year old
Old Fitzgerald Bourbon
Old Grand Dad Bourbon
Old Portrero Hoatling's Rye Whiskey
Rittenhouse 100 Rye Whiskey
Wild Turkey American Spirit Bourbon

And:
Lairds Apple Brandy
Mellow Corn Corn Whiskey

Res/st-or
06-30-2010, 17:35
I love the Henry McKenna BIB... I can get those pretty easy here...


Jeff

theDon
06-30-2010, 18:42
I wish Texas was more BIB friendly. We do have Tom Moore BIB only available here and Louisiana, but we do not have HH 6 year, Colonel Lee BIB, JTS Brown BIB and probably other HH iterations I am not aware of.

We also have OF (both fitz and forrester), Dant, OG and HH 4year.

I can go across the border to the north and get the Mellow Corn, but like casino's, not here.

There is also the now defunct Old Charter BIB if you can find it. Good luck on your BIB journey!

Rughi
06-30-2010, 19:01
...Old Potrero Hoatlings is also BIB...

I have Hotalings Essay 1996-2006 and while the juice may be 100 proof, single distillery, and single season I see nothing on the labels that says bond.

Did you mean bond in the same sense as the Old Forester Signature - where it probably is but the distillery didn't want to label it as such?

Roger

callmeox
06-30-2010, 19:07
I have Hotalings Essay 1996-2006 and while the juice may be 100 proof, single distillery, and single season I see nothing on the labels that says bond.

Did you mean bond in the same sense as the Old Forester Signature - where it probably is but the distillery didn't want to label it as such?

Roger

Bottled in Bond tis on the label in the photo on this page:

http://www.anchorbrewing.com/about_us/oldpotrero_hotaling.htm

barturtle
06-30-2010, 19:09
Old Bourbon Hollow BIB is the (other) Beam BIB.

matthew0715
06-30-2010, 19:09
I have Hotalings Essay 1996-2006 and while the juice may be 100 proof, single distillery, and single season I see nothing on the labels that says bond.

Did you mean bond in the same sense as the Old Forester Signature - where it probably is but the distillery didn't want to label it as such?

Roger

I've attached the current flyer for this from their website (http://www.anchorbrewing.com/about_us/oldpotrero_hotaling.htm). I was skeptical so I searched and found this that says, "Bottled In Bond" on the top right area of the label. Perhaps earlier releases were not.

callmeox
06-30-2010, 19:12
I've attached the current flyer for this from their website (http://www.anchorbrewing.com/about_us/oldpotrero_hotaling.htm). I was skeptical so I searched and found this that says, "Bottled In Bond" on the top right area of the label. Perhaps earlier releases were not.

On the internet, two minutes is an eternity. :grin:

ThomasH
06-30-2010, 19:57
Colonel Lee BIB has been discontinued for several years now. It was avaliable in nearly every liquor store in Ohio at one time. Another BIB that has come and gone from Ohio's stores is Kentucky Tavern BIB. I don't know if it is still available or not!

Thomas

Rughi
06-30-2010, 21:08
Bottled in Bond tis on the label in the photo on this page:

http://www.anchorbrewing.com/about_us/oldpotrero_hotaling.htm

Interesting.
Attached is a photo of the 11yo. You can see Fritz added the bond statement sometime between the 11yo and the 15yo.

cowdery
07-01-2010, 11:15
Not to derail the thread, but wouldn't any 100 proof single barrel bourbon be bottled in bond by definition? (like FRSB) Perhaps the Four Roses warehouses don't have the "bonded warehouse" shingle hanging over the door.

A bond has to be 100 proof, at least 4-years-old, and the product of a single distillery and a single distiller made during a single distilling season. The "singles" are the reason you can have a 100 proof whiskey that is not bonded.

Old Forester Signature, for example, is 100 proof but can't be labeled bottled-in-bond because it includes whiskey from different distilling seasons. (The year is divided into two seasons.)

callmeox
07-01-2010, 14:41
I understand the rules and Four Roses manufacturing process. What DQ's FRSB from being a bond?






A bond has to be 100 proof, at least 4-years-old, and the product of a single distillery and a single distiller made during a single distilling season. The "singles" are the reason you can have a 100 proof whiskey that is not bonded.

Old Forester Signature, for example, is 100 proof but can't be labeled bottled-in-bond because it includes whiskey from different distilling seasons. (The year is divided into two seasons.)

Josh
07-01-2010, 14:46
I understand the rules and Four Roses manufacturing process. What DQ's FRSB from being a bond?

I would imagine that, to them, Single Barrel>Bottled-in-Bond from a marketing standpoint.

OscarV
07-01-2010, 14:51
I understand the rules and Four Roses manufacturing process. What DQ's FRSB from being a bond?



Proof.
BIB has to be 100prf and only a minimum of 4yo.

barturtle
07-01-2010, 15:25
Proof.
BIB has to be 100prf and only a minimum of 4yo.

I think he's referring to the Single Barrel, which is 100 proof, not the Small Batch, which is 90.

Refer to the Abbreviation Page (http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/announcement.php?f=43&a=8).:cool:

OscarV
07-01-2010, 17:48
Ah ha, yeah I see no reason why 4R1B couldn't be labeled a BIB.

ErichPryde
07-01-2010, 18:02
It could be. For some time Rock Hill Farms was labeled "Bottled in Bond," as it was a single barrel 100 proof whiskey. I think "BIB" just doesn't have the same connotation it once did with the population.

jburlowski
07-02-2010, 13:27
WTAS was / is BIB.

cowdery
07-02-2010, 15:53
I understand the rules and Four Roses manufacturing process. What DQ's FRSB from being a bond?

If a single barrel is at least four years old and sold at exactly 100 proof, then it qualifies as a bond by definition. The three singles would be satisfied. So the answer would be: nothing. They just chose not to call it BIB.

But that raises an interesting point, which is that the only ways to get the three singles are single barrel and BIB. That's why I say BIB is "single batch bourbon," as distinguished from "single barrel" or "small batch."

Mentioning Wild Turkey is interesting too. I've always assumed that Wild Turkey used 101 proof as a way around the "single" requirements of BIB, in an era when BIB was universally regarded as "the good stuff." Turkey couldn't be BIB then because they combined whiskey from multiple distilleries, not to mention different seasons, but they wanted to be perceived as on a par with bonds, hence the "one point better" proof.

The official story about the proof has all the hallmarks of marketing fiction.

OscarV
07-02-2010, 16:03
The official story about the proof has all the hallmarks of marketing fiction.



Yeah but probably the best marketing fiction.

cowdery
07-02-2010, 16:07
I'm the first to say never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

jburlowski
07-02-2010, 17:30
I'm the first to say never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

I've tried that with my wife with only limited success.

cowdery
07-02-2010, 17:35
I've tried that with my wife with only limited success.

That's because no story is that good.

shoshani
07-11-2010, 21:46
The official story about (WT 101) proof has all the hallmarks of marketing fiction.

I've never read or heard it. I just assumed it always *was*.

p_elliott
07-12-2010, 08:32
The official story about the proof has all the hallmarks of marketing fiction.

I never heard the story about the proof just the story of how it got it's name. Care to enlighten us or is it part of the same story and I'm forgetting part of it?

cowdery
07-12-2010, 14:13
It's part of the same story. The members of the wild turkey shoot enjoyed the whiskey so much the guy from Austin Nichols checked the books to see what the specifications were and it was 8 years old and 101 proof.

Serendipity is a popular device in mythology.

smokinjoe
07-12-2010, 14:37
It's part of the same story. The members of the wild turkey shoot enjoyed the whiskey so much the guy from Austin Nichols checked the books to see what the specifications were and it was 8 years old and 101 proof.

Serendipity is a popular device in mythology.

Was the original Wild Turkey 101 age stated at 8 years?

cowdery
07-12-2010, 21:06
Was the original Wild Turkey 101 age stated at 8 years?

Yes. That's what it was until the early 1990s, about 50 years.