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cas
10-09-2010, 14:48
I hunted around and couldn't find much on WT 8 year on the site - has any info on this been posted before? I picked some up at duty free in Port Huron, MI this week on the way over to Ontario. It's quite good, but how does it differ from the regular release 101 and why is it only available duty free?
Craig

callmeox
10-09-2010, 14:55
I hunted around and couldn't find much on WT 8 year on the site - has any info on this been posted before? I picked some up at duty free in Port Huron, MI this week on the way over to Ontario. It's quite good, but how does it differ from the regular release 101 and why is it only available duty free?
Craig


The "travel retail" sector is much smaller than the US market so they can float age stated bottles outside of the US without depleting stocks.

At last years sampler I asked Jimmy Russell why we can't get WT12 in the states. He said that we would have to choose between WT12 and Rare Breed as there's not enough aged stock on hand for both.

Hopefully the investment that Campari is making in their business will allow both in another 10 years.

nor02lei
10-09-2010, 15:04
I hunted around and couldn't find much on WT 8 year on the site - has any info on this been posted before? I picked some up at duty free in Port Huron, MI this week on the way over to Ontario. It's quite good, but how does it differ from the regular release 101 and why is it only available duty free?
Craig

Itís still sold here in Europe and maybe in Japan as well. I donít know for sure why they did drop the age statement in USA several years ago, but my guess would be lack of well age stock.

Leif

sgtgto
10-09-2010, 16:55
It is very good, probably one of the best deals out there for bourbon. $21 a liter. I have not done a side by side with the 8 year of old yet, but I will have to now.

B.B. Babington
10-09-2010, 17:26
It's too bad they don't do more aging. Their premiums with age statements are excellent products, IMO. Though the packaging is excessive, I love the somewhat recent 14yo.

SBOmarc
10-09-2010, 17:34
The "travel retail" sector is much smaller than the US market so they can float age stated bottles outside of the US without depleting stocks.

At last years sampler I asked Jimmy Russell why we can't get WT12 in the states. He said that we would have to choose between WT12 and Rare Breed as there's not enough aged stock on hand for both.

Hopefully the investment that Campari is making in their business will allow both in another 10 years.

I can't make that choice. I want both.

I get the point, I just don't like it.

TNbourbon
10-10-2010, 01:02
...At last years sampler I asked Jimmy Russell why we can't get WT12 in the states. He said that we would have to choose between WT12 and Rare Breed as there's not enough aged stock on hand for both...
Frankly, I'd make that trade in a heartbeat. While I've had occasional exemplary batches of Rare Breed -- and some about which I've wished I'd spent the money otherwise -- I've never experienced a WT 12yo that wasn't superior to the best RB I've ever had. If I buy Rare Breed today, it's because I like the nice box and glasses that come with it for the holidays:rolleyes:.

OscarV
10-10-2010, 03:43
About 4 years ago a buddy of mine brought me back a 1 litre WT8yo from Denmark and it was outstanding, it had a sweetness to it that I never get from any Turkeys.

edo
10-10-2010, 04:15
WT 8 year old is sold in Japan, as is WT 12. I'm sipping a WT 12 as I type. ... and it's excellent!:cool:

cas
10-10-2010, 05:10
The 12 may be my all time favorite. But I'm down to a half bottle of the split label and a full bottle of the cheap gold label.
Craig

Special Reserve
10-10-2010, 07:00
the cheap gold label.

Now, that made me chuckle.

jinenjo
10-10-2010, 23:42
but how does it differ from the regular release 101 and why is it only available duty free?
Craig

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the standard 101 has a vatting of 6 and 8 year juice. I'm sure this info is elsewhere here, but I found Mark Gillespie's interview with Jimmy Russel on whiskycast pretty informative--especially with barrel entry proof info. Again, correct me if mistaken, but they've got the lowest in the bourbon industry--I believe Jimmy said less than 110 proof, going in.

BourbonJoe
10-11-2010, 07:52
If I buy Rare Breed today, it's because I like the nice box and glasses that come with it for the holidays:rolleyes:.

Gotta disagree with ya Tim. I find the WT-RB-03 to be very tasty indeed.
Joe :usflag:

smokinjoe
10-11-2010, 08:13
Gotta disagree with ya Tim. I find the WT-RB-03 to be very tasty indeed.
Joe :usflag:

Really? I find RB to be a tasty pour, too. But, I have to agree with Tim in that if given a choice, I'd have WT make the 12 year over the RB.

Joe, I know how you feel about distilleries that drop age statements. I think I remember hearing that all WT was age stated at 8 years, at one time. Do you know what year that WT began to use younger whiskey in their flagship brand, and dropped the 8 year age statement for the US market?

BourbonJoe
10-11-2010, 11:26
Joe, I know how you feel about distilleries that drop age statements. I think I remember hearing that all WT was age stated at 8 years, at one time. Do you know what year that WT began to use younger whiskey in their flagship brand, and dropped the 8 year age statement for the US market?

No, but I'm sure one of our esteemed brethren will know.
Joe :usflag:

birdman1099
10-11-2010, 12:50
Wouldn't that be 1992 when the "Old #8" made its debut?

SMOWK
10-11-2010, 13:50
Wouldn't that be 1992 when the "Old #8" made its debut?

I've got a bottle from 1996 that says Old No 8 on it, so it must be before then.

ACDetroit
10-11-2010, 17:40
Wouldn't that be 1992 when the "Old #8" made its debut?

You right Bird! 1992 the Old No. 8 came out and the AS was gone. I would guess 97-98 would have been the time frame the No. 8 left as well!

Tony

squire
12-17-2010, 23:38
WT12 hands down.

bourbonNOOG
12-20-2010, 07:14
I don't get into much Dusty hunting as many of the member do here. Mostly because I don't have the time, wish I did, but I don't.

I did unearth something very interesting this weekend. I was over at the in-laws house this weekend, who are an older catholic family. At some point there was decision that someone needed to go get lunch. The mother in-law and I were appointed as the two who should go. We went down in the garage and got in the car and as she was backing out of the driveway, I noticed two boxed on the bottom shelf of their cluttered garage. I inquired and she said, "oh that's just a bunch of liquor that we bought a long time ago before the kids were born that we don't drink." My eyes lit up. I said, "do you think Haskell (father in-law) will mind if I look through it and I'll buy anything that I might want." She said, "he'll probably just give it to you, he'll never drink it."

When we got back the food was passed out. While everyone was enjoying theirs I snuck back down to the garage and pulled out the boxes. There before me lied a 750 ML bottle and a 1.75 liter bottle of WT 101 8 year both marked 1979 on the bottom. Unopened with the tax strips. There was a also a 70's bottle of Johnny Walker Black. I took them up stairs and proceeded to haggle with the father in-law. In the end he did just give them to me, even after I begged him to let me pay for them. They had been there since before my wife was born (28 years). They bought them in Chicago back in the 70's and he quit drinking liquor when he became a diabetic in the late 80's.

Needless to say, when I got home that night I popped the 750 ml WT 8 yr and sat on the couch and enjoyed it in all it's majesty.

CaptainQ
12-20-2010, 09:43
Great story and congrats on your find!

Enoch
12-20-2010, 09:51
Is there any difference between Old No. 8 and current WT101. A local store has several gift boxes with glasses and Old No. 8 that they have had for awhile for about $20 a box. The bottles have suffered a little evaporation though.

flintlock
12-20-2010, 09:54
That's awesome. Congratulations. Nice little Christmas present!

squire
12-20-2010, 09:54
WT 12 anytime. I sorta stopped buying WT when they dropped the age statement and raised the price.

'just keep moving along folks nothing to see here'.

p_elliott
12-21-2010, 09:16
Is there any difference between Old No. 8 and current WT101. A local store has several gift boxes with glasses and Old No. 8 that they have had for awhile for about $20 a box. The bottles have suffered a little evaporation though.

Depends on the year of the release the early 90's are pretty good from what I understand, the mid 90's not so good, the later 90's suck. Spun Cookie (Emerald) can give you the exact dates to look for.

squire
12-21-2010, 10:34
Enoch I would read the label carefully to make sure it is an eight year old expression. As to whether is worth the price I would hesitate to buy a bottle that has been evaporating.

StraightBoston
12-21-2010, 11:27
Spun is the master of all things WT (including which #8's are really 8 year olds.)

I've purchased a couple of the duty-free WT8 and WT12 expressions in Japan, and while they're better than 101 NAS, I wouldn't hold them up over a current Rare Breed, IMHO. As often seems the case, the US WT12s from older production are simply better juice.

nor02lei
12-21-2010, 13:32
WT 12 anytime.

The 12-year export that has been available here for many years at a reasonable price seems to be more or less sold out. I donít know if this is temporary and bottling will come back, or if it is for good. I can probably still find/get it if I put some guts in to it, but not for long as it seem.

Leif

spun_cookie
12-22-2010, 17:35
There before me lied a 750 ML bottle and a 1.75 liter bottle of WT 101 8 year both marked 1979 on the bottom.

Pictures of the handle please :D I would like to see what it looks like. I have found a couple different versions now from that era.


Is there any difference between Old No. 8 and current WT101. A local store has several gift boxes with glasses and Old No. 8 that they have had for awhile for about $20 a box. The bottles have suffered a little evaporation though.

Need to look at the year on the bottle. There will be a date stamp. 1994 or earlier (I have 12/16/94) is a buy. The closer to 12/21/92, first of the Old #8 that I have seen to date (I found a split case in HI of round bottle 375s that were 8yr, 8yr, 8yr, Old #8, etc for the rest of the case), the better they are. The 1992-1993 juice is liquid heaven.

After 1994 it s a crap shoot. 1997-98 was worse than the current label stuff that came out (had a handle of 97 and it ended up being a mixer and giveaway juice). I figure they wanted to ween us off the old label much like OWA did when they changed labels...

I have had some 95-96 juice and it is a little better than the normal current 101, but not by much and when you get a good run of the current juice, it is better than those years.

Snap a shot of the box and let us know the years on the bottles and away you go....