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silverfish
10-12-2010, 07:37
2011 World Whisky Awards from Jim Murray's Whisky Bible:

2011 World Whisky of the Year - Ballantine’s 17 Years Old
#2 Whisky in the World 2011 - Thomas H Handy Sazerac Rye (129 proof)
#3 Whisky in the World 2011 - William Larue Weller (134.8 proof)

Bourbon category results:

No Age Statement (Multiple barrel) – William Larue Weller (134.8 proof)
9 Years & Under – Knob Creek
10-17 Years (Multiple Barrels) – Parker’s Heritage Collection Fourth Edition
10-17 Years (Single Barrel) - Willett Aged 17 Years Barrel Proof
18 Years & Over - Evan Williams 23 Year Old


Full results at whiskyintelligence.com (http://www.whiskyintelligence.com/2010/10/the-2011-whisky-bible-by-jim-murray-ballantine%e2%80%99s-takes-top-honours-in-2011-world-whisky-awards-scotch-whisky-news/).
(mods feel free to move to Industry News forum if desired.)

bourbonNOOG
10-12-2010, 08:37
Where does one get an Evan Williams 23 year?

doubleblank
10-12-2010, 08:44
HH gift shop and overseas. Expensive IIRC.

Randy

silverfish
10-13-2010, 06:52
Where does one get an Evan Williams 23 year?

You can find it at Master of Malt (http://www.masterofmalt.com/whiskies/american-whiskey/bourbon/evan-williams/23-year-old-whiskey/?utm_content=american_whiskey/bourbon/evan_williams/23_year_old_whiskey&utm_source=database&utm_medium=base&utm_campaign=mom_base_usa) for £109.95 ($174. USD) in the UK.
MoM also sells a 3 cl sample for £6.25 ($10.00 USD).
Shipping costs not included.

It's also at Royal Mill Whiskies (http://www.royalmilewhiskies.com/product.asp?pf_id=0010000018134), and others via a google search for Evan Williams 23 (http://www.google.com/search?q=evan+williams+23&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a).

spun_cookie
10-13-2010, 07:12
Where does one get an Evan Williams 23 year?

Japan
At HH
Or on eBay... The price is high no mater which way you go.

bourbonNOOG
10-13-2010, 10:59
Thanks for all the suggestions guys. I shall use them wisely. Also, has anyone had this stuff? Is it worth the price tag? $350 is a whole lot of money for a bottle of bourbon, in my opinion.

OscarV
10-13-2010, 11:41
Looks like the Americans did alright.

ErichPryde
10-13-2010, 12:15
Looks like the Americans did alright.

Interesting that the young and middle-aged whiskeys took it this time around. Where's GTS?

OscarV
10-13-2010, 12:25
Where's GTS?

Hopefully a secret.
I say don't let the rest of the world know about GTS.

BigRich
10-14-2010, 06:04
Hopefully a secret.
I say don't let the rest of the world know about GTS.

I'll second that!

SHHHHHHHHH

unclebunk
10-14-2010, 06:22
Interesting that THH Sazerac Rye should place second in Mr. Murray's "Whiskey Of The Year" rankings when, on another current thread, one SB'er after another (though by no means all) expressed that it's highly over-rated and/or highly over-priced. I happen to love it myself but agree that it should be priced under $50.


Thanks for all the suggestions guys. I shall use them wisely. Also, has anyone had this stuff? Is it worth the price tag? $350 is a whole lot of money for a bottle of bourbon, in my opinion.

In reference to the Evan Williams 23, I've never had it but $350 is a ridiculous price in my opinion. If you've got money to burn, buy yourself a couple of bottles of Pappy 15 (or even Pappy 20) and give the rest of the dough to your local soup kitchen. It would be money better spent.

doubleblank
10-14-2010, 08:22
Since no one else has chimed in, I'll hit that big softball.

IMO, tasting the EW 23 is a chore. Its like chewing on a barrel stave with just a trace of typical flavors found in bourbon. I don't recall getting even a hint that HH made it....ie some mentholyptus flavors and/or aromas. The first bottle I tasted from was owned by Jim Butler (the Boss). It was terrible and he didn't like it at all either. That was many years ago. I tasted another repatriated bottle a year ago and it was the same. But there could be a fair amount of variability between bottlings ..... so maybe a recent bottling might have been an improvement over the older ones. But I wouldn't risk that kind of money on something that might be completely undrinkable.

Randy

smokinjoe
10-14-2010, 08:49
We can all disagree on anyone's ratings. Heck, that's our job. But, I'll always give credit to Jim Murray for not giving short shrift to American whiskies. IMO, most every other "world whiskey" writer seems to address American whiskies as an afterthought. Like, "Oh yeah, I guess I have to rate this bourbon, because I think they're having that Fair...uh, Festival now, down there..." My sense of Murray, is that he is the only one that starts his ratings process with the idea that all whiskies start at the same level, and none are inherently superior. IMHO, of course.

sailor22
10-14-2010, 10:12
Interesting that THH Sazerac Rye should place second in Mr. Murray's "Whiskey Of The Year" rankings when, on another current thread, one SB'er after another (though by no means all) expressed that it's highly over-rated and/or highly over-priced.

Well done Mr. Murray. I have felt Handy has long been underrated. For me THH is a delicious, deep, layered and complex pour - I absolutely love it. I care not a fig about how many years it has been in the barrel - it's the taste, not the age, that describes a whisky's value to me.

My only concern with it finally getting the rating is has so richly deserved is that now it may not be so easy to find. Untill now it has been the last of the BTAC to leave the shelf in the shops and can occasionally be found at a discount.

nor02lei
10-14-2010, 11:37
Since no one else has chimed in, I'll hit that big softball.

IMO, tasting the EW 23 is a chore. Its like chewing on a barrel stave with just a trace of typical flavors found in bourbon. I don't recall getting even a hint that HH made it....ie some mentholyptus flavors and/or aromas. The first bottle I tasted from was owned by Jim Butler (the Boss). It was terrible and he didn't like it at all either. That was many years ago. I tasted another repatriated bottle a year ago and it was the same. But there could be a fair amount of variability between bottlings ..... so maybe a recent bottling might have been an improvement over the older ones. But I wouldn't risk that kind of money on something that might be completely undrinkable.

Randy

We had EW 23 in a BBB tasting event a couple of years ago with this set up:
Glas 1: Elijah Craig 18Y, 90 proof; 581 kr
Glas 2: Bernheim Original Straight Wheat, 90 proof; 606 kr
Glas 3: Elijah Craig 12Y, 94 proof; 190 kr
Glas 4: Henry McKenna Single Barrel 10Y, 100 proof; 413 kr
Glas 5: Evan Williams 15Y, 101 proof; 900 kr
Glas 6: Fighting Cock 6Y, 103 proof; 323 kr
Glas 7: Evan Williams 23Y, 107 proof; 1299 kr
Glas 8: Parker“s Heritage Collection 11Y, 122,6 proof; 855 kr
It did get a second place in ranking after the uncut PHC. For me personally I had it as number one and this was one of my biggest positive surprises ever as my exportations (with our without any Jim Murray ranking) were abort the same as you describe your 2 tasting of these brand Randy.
I am sure though that the small batch procedure is a big explanation on this matter.

Leif

barturtle
10-14-2010, 12:38
Hopefully a secret.
I say don't let the rest of the world know about GTS.

Or maybe it has something to do with the fact that instead of actually picking quality barrels of flavorful whiskey, they just pick the highest proof stuff they can find.

ErichPryde
10-14-2010, 13:19
Interesting that THH Sazerac Rye should place second in Mr. Murray's "Whiskey Of The Year" rankings when, on another current thread, one SB'er after another (though by no means all) expressed that it's highly over-rated and/or highly over-priced. I happen to love it myself but agree that it should be priced under $50.


Many people seem to assume that extra age = extra quality, and it doesn't always. I'm sure every single one of us can think of a whiskey that simply had too much oak or age to be that enjoyable.


Or maybe it has something to do with the fact that instead of actually picking quality barrels of flavorful whiskey, they just pick the highest proof stuff they can find.


I think that's a little bit harsh, Tim. :grin: Year to year GTS has always been a solid whiskey.

barturtle
10-14-2010, 13:44
I think that's a little bit harsh, Tim. :grin: Year to year GTS has always been a solid whiskey.

For $75 I expect a bit more than "solid whiskey", I can get many "solid whiskies" for less than half that price.

unclebunk
10-14-2010, 14:08
Many people seem to assume that extra age = extra quality, and it doesn't always. I'm sure every single one of us can think of a whiskey that simply had too much oak or age to be that enjoyable.

Like I said in my earlier post, I happen to love THH Sazerac and could care less about its age but I still think it's a bit pricey. You're right though, extra age certainly doesn't always equate to extra quality, though as an "oak head" I tend to enjoy juice that's been in the barrel a long time, perhaps more so than others. I'm glad that Mr. Murray has seen fit to recognize the greatness of many American whiskeys. I just hope it doesn't result in a run on the stuff that'll make it hard for me to find.

ILLfarmboy
10-14-2010, 14:33
I agree with Erik. Thomas Handy is excellent whiskey. I wouldn't want it older. Pricey? I'll go along with that. Just don't age it more to justify the price.

I'd rather BT tinker with Baby Saz, upping the proof and age just a bit than have anyone mess with Handy.

unclebunk
10-14-2010, 17:30
I agree with Erik. Thomas Handy is excellent whiskey. I wouldn't want it older. Pricey? I'll go along with that. Just don't age it more to justify the price.

I'd rather BT tinker with Baby Saz, upping the proof and age just a bit than have anyone mess with Handy.

My sentiments exactly. Handy is terrific exactly as it is and consistently holds its own with older ryes in the blind tastings we've done. Baby Saz, on the otherhand, could be kicked up a notch proof and/or age-wise IMO. I find it tasty enough but lacking a tad in the spice department, but that's just me.

nblair
10-14-2010, 18:02
Or maybe it has something to do with the fact that instead of actually picking quality barrels of flavorful whiskey, they just pick the highest proof stuff they can find.

Is this really true?