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sku
10-22-2010, 06:01
The Kentucky Distillers Association has a new website which I read about on John Hansell's site today. As part of the site there is a list of facts about Bourbon which unforunately, perpetuates the myth of the Kentucky only label. Here is what they say: Kentucky is the only state with a federal classification for labeling purposes (Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey). Here's the link: http://www.kybourbon.com/images/uploads/Key_Facts_about_Bourbon_.pdf

This statement is a little more nuanced then what is usually stated (that Kentucky is the only state name that can have its name on a Bourbon label), but I still don't buy it. There is not a single mention of Kentucky in the regs. Other than that, I don't know what "federal classification" there is unless, like Tennessee Whiskey, they received some letter from TTB or one of the previous agencies verifying that KSBW is considered an official and unique product or some such thing.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Enoch
10-22-2010, 07:19
I have two bottles of Bowman Bourbon that say "Virginia Straight Bourbon Whiskey"

jburlowski
10-22-2010, 07:23
Maybe what they are saying is that only Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey can be labled as Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey.

Either ignorance or silly puffery.....

barturtle
10-22-2010, 08:37
Here are the codes (this and the next several posts): feel free to look:rolleyes:

Class/Type Code

Description
0 ADMINISTRATIVE WITHDRAWAL
00 ADMINISTRATIVE WITHDRAWAL
000 ADMINISTRATIVE WITHDRAWAL
100 STRAIGHT WHISKY
101 STRAIGHT BOURBON WHISKY
102 STRAIGHT RYE WHISKY
103 STRAIGHT CORN WHISKY
109 OTHER STRAIGHT WHISKY
110 WHISKY BOTTLED IN BOND (BIB)
111 BOURBON WHISKY BIB
112 RYE WHISKY BIB
113 CORN WHISKY BIB
119 OTHER WHISKY BIB
120 STRAIGHT WHISKY BLENDS
121 STRAIGHT BOURBON WHISKY BLENDS
122 STRAIGHT RYE WHISKY BLENDS
123 STRAIGHT CORN WHISKY BLENDS
129 OTHER STRAIGHT BLENDED WHISKY
130 WHISKY BLENDS
131 BLENDED BOURBON WHISKY
132 BLENDED RYE WHISKY
133 BLENDED CORN WHISKY
134 BLENDED LIGHT WHISKY
137 BLENDED WHISKY
138 DILUTED BLENDED WHISKY
139 OTHER WHISKY BLENDS
140 WHISKY
141 BOURBON WHISKY
142 RYE WHISKY
143 CORN WHISKY
144 LIGHT WHISKY
146 WHISKY PROPRIETARY
147 SPIRIT WHISKY
148 DILUTED WHISKY
149 OTHER WHISKY
150 SCOTCH WHISKY
151 SCOTCH WHISKY FB
152 SCOTCH WHISKY USB
153 SINGLE MALT SCOTCH WHISKY
154 UNBLENDED SCOTCH WHISKY USB
157 DILUTED SCOTCH WHISKY FB
158 DILUTED SCOTCH WHISKY USB
160 CANADIAN WHISKY
161 CANADIAN WHISKY FB
162 CANADIAN WHISKY USB
167 DILUTED CANADIAN WHISKY FB
168 DILUTED CANADIAN WHISKY USB
170 IRISH WHISKY
171 IRISH WHISKY FB
172 IRISH WHISKY USB
177 DILUTED IRISH WHISKY FB
178 DILUTED IRISH WHISKY USB
190 OTHER IMPORTED WHISKY
191 OTHER IMPORTED WHISKY FB
192 OTHER IMPORTED WHISKY USB
197 DILUTED OTHER IMPORTED WHISKY FB
198 DILUTED OTHER IMPORTED WHISKY USB

barturtle
10-22-2010, 08:40
200 Distilled Gin
201 London Dry Distilled Gin
209 Other Distilled Gin
210 Gin
211 London Dry Gin
219 Other Gin
230 Gin - Flavored
231 Gin - Mint Flavored
232 Gin - Orange Flavored
233 Gin - Lemon Flavored
239 Other Gin - Flavored
248 Diluted Gin
250 Distilled Gin
251 London Dry Distilled Gin Fb
252 London Dry Distilled Gin Usb
258 Other Distilled Gin Fb
259 Other Distilled Gin Usb 2
60 Gin
261 London Dry Gin Fb
262 London Dry Gin Usb
268 Other Gin Fb
269 Other Gin Usb
280 Gin - Flavored
281 Gin - Mint Flavored
282 Gin - Orange Flavored
283 Gin - Lemon Flavored
289 Other Gin - Flavored
290 Other Gin
297 Diluted Gin Fb
298 Diluted Gin Usb
300 Vodka
301 Vodka 80-90 Proof
310 Vodka
311 Vodka 90-99 Proof
320 Vodka
321 Vodka 100 Proof Up
330 Vodka - Flavored
331 Vodka - Orange Flavored
332 Vodka - Grape Flavored
333 Vodka - Lime Flavored
334 Vodka - Lemon Flavored
335 Vodka - Cherry Flavored
336 Vodka - Chocolate Flavored
337 Vodka - Mint Flavored
338 Vodka - Peppermint Flavored
339 Vodka - Other Flavored
340 Other Vodka
348 Diluted Vodka
350 Vodka
351 Vodka 80-90 Proof Fb
352 Vodka 80-90 Proof Usb
360 Vodka
361 Vodka 90-99 Proof Fb
362 Vodka 90-99 Proof Usb
370 Vodka
371 Vodka 100 Proof Up Fb
372 Vodka 100 Proof Up Usb
380 Vodka - Flavored
381 Vodka - Orange Flavored
382 Vodka - Grape Flavored
383 Vodka - Lime Flavored
384 Vodka - Lemon Flavored
385 Vodka - Cherry Flavored
386 Vodka - Chocolate Flavored
387 Vodka - Mint Flavored
388 Vodka - Peppermint Flavored
389 Vodka - Other Flavored
390 Other Vodka
397 Diluted Vodka Fb
398 Diluted Vodka Usb

barturtle
10-22-2010, 08:45
400 Ur.s. Rum (white)
401 Puerto Rican Rum (white)
402 Virgin Islands Rum (white)
403 Hawaiian Rum (white)
404 Florida Rum (white)
409 Other Rum (white)
410 U.s. Rum (gold)
411 Puerto Rican Rum (gold)
412 Virgin Island Rum (gold)
413 Hawaiian Rum (gold)
414 Florida Rum (gold)
419 Other Rum (gold)
440 Other White Rum
447 Diluted Rum (white)
448 Diluted Rum (gold)
449 Domestic Flavored Rum
450 Foreign Rum
451 Cuban Rum White Fb
452 Cuban Rum White Usb
453 Cuban Rum Gold Fb
454 Cuban Rum Gold Usb
459 Other Foriegn Rum
461 Jamaican Rum White Fb
462 Jamaican Rum White Usb
463 Jamaican Rum Gold Fb
464 Jamican Rum Gold Usb
471 Guianan Rum White Fb
472 Guianan Rum White Usb
473 Dutch Guianan Rum Gold Fb
474 Dutch Guianan Rum Gold Usb
475 French Guianan Rum Fb
476 French Guianan Rum Usb
481 Martinican Rum White Fb
482 Martinican Rum White Usb
483 Martinican Rum Gold Fb
484 Martinican Rum Gold Usb
490 Other Foreign Rum
491 Other Rum White Fb
492 Other Rum White Usb
493 Other Rum Gold Fb
494 Other Rum Gold Usb
495 Diluted Rum White Fb
496 Diluted Rum White Usb
497 Diluted Rum Gold Fb
498 Diluted Rum Gold Usb
499 Imported Flavored Rum

barturtle
10-22-2010, 08:47
500 California Grape Brandy
501 California Brandy
502 California Dried Brandy
503 California Lees Brandy
504 California Pomace Or Marc Brandy
505 California Residue Brandy
506 California Neutral Brandy
509 Other California Brandy
510 New York Grape Brandy
511 New York Brandy
512 New York Dried Brandy
513 New York Lees Brandy
514 New York Pomace Or Marc Brandy
515 New York Residue Brandy
516 New York Neutral Brandy
519 Other New York Brandy
520 Other Domestic Grape Brandy
521 Brandy
522 Dried Brandy
523 Lees Brandy
524 Pomace Or Marc Brandy
525 Residue Brandy
526 Neutral Brandy
529 Other Brandy
530 Brandy - Flavored
531 Brandy - Apricot Flavored
532 Brandy - Blackberry Flavored
533 Brandy - Peach Flavored
534 Brandy - Cherry Flavored
535 Brandy - Ginger Flavored
536 Brandy - Coffee Flavored
539 Other Brandy - Flavored
540 Fruit Brandy
541 Apple Brandy
542 Cherry Brandy
543 Plum Brandy
545 Blended Apple Jack Brandy
548 Diluted Brandy
549 Other Fruit Brandy
550 French Brandy
551 Cognac (brandy)
Fb 552 Cognac (brandy)
Usb 553 Armagnac (brandy) Fb
554 Armagnac (brandy) Usb
558 Other French Brandy Fb
559 Other French Brandy Usb
560 Other Foreign Brandy
561 Italian Grape Brandy Fb
562 Italian Grape Brandy Usb
563 Spanish Grape Brandy Fb
564 Spanish Grape Brandy Usb
565 Portuguese Grape Brandy Fb
566 Portuguese Grape Brandy Usb
567 Greek Grape Brandy Fb
568 Greek Grape Brandy Usb
571 German Grape Brandy Fb
572 German Grape Brandy Usb
573 Australian Grape Brandy Fb
574 Australian Grape Brandy Usb
575 South African Grape Brandy Fb
576 South African Grape Brandy Usb
580 Other Foreign Brandy (cont.)
588 Other Grape Brandy (pisco, Grappa)
Fb 589 Other Grape Brandy (grappa) Usb
590 Foreign Fruit Brandy
591 Apple Brandy (calvados)
592 Cherry Brandy
593 Plum Brandy (slivovitz)
595 Blended Apple Jack Brandy
597 Diluted Brandy Fb
598 Diluted Brandy Usb
599 Other Fruit Brandy

barturtle
10-22-2010, 08:49
600 Cordials (fruit & Peels)
601 Fruit Flavored Liqueurs
603 Curacao 604 Triple Sec
605 Sloe Gin 606 Rock & Rye, Rum & Brandy (etc.)
607 Fruits & Peels Schnapps Liqueur
609 Other Fruits & Peels Liqueurs
610 Cordials (herbs & Seeds)
611 Anisette, Ouzo, Ojen
612 Coffee (cafe) Liqueur
613 Kummel
614 Peppermint Schnapps
615 Herbs And Seeds Schnapps Liqueur
616 Amaretto
619 Other (herbs & Seeds)
620 Cordials (cremes Or Creams)
621 Creme De Cacao White
622 Creme De Cacao Brown
623 Creme De Menthe White
624 Creme De Menthe Green
625 Creme De Almond (noyaux)
627 Dairy Cream Liqueur/cordial
628 Non Dairy Creme Liqueur/cordial
629 Other Liqueur (creme Or Creams)
632 Blackberry Flavored Brandy
638 Liqueur & Brandy
640 Specialties & Proprietaries
641 Whisky Specialties
642 Gin Specialties
643 Vodka Specialties
644 Rum Specialties
645 Liqueurs (whisky)
646 Liqueurs (gin)
647 Liqueurs (vodka)
648 Liqueurs (rum)
649 Other Specialties & Proprietaries
650 Cordials (fruit & Peels)
651 Fruit Flavored Liqueurs
653 Curacao
654 Triple Sec
655 Sloe Gin
656 Rock & Rye, Rum & Brandy (etc)
657 Fruits & Peels Schnapps Liqueur
659 Other Fruit & Peels Liqueurs
660 Cordials (herbs & Seeds)
661 Anisette, Ouzo, Ojen
662 Coffee (cafe) Liqueur
663 Kummel
664 Peppermint Schnapps
665 Herbs & Seeds Schnapps Liqueur
666 Amaretto
669 Other Herb & Seed Cordials/liqueurs
670 Cordials (cremes Or Creams)
671 Creme De Cacao White
672 Creme De Cacao Brown
673 Creme De Menthe White
674 Creme De Menthe Green
675 Creme De Almond (noyaux)
677 Dairy Cream Liqueur/cordial
678 Non Dairy Creme Liqueur/cordial
679 Other Liqueur (cremes Or Creams)
680 Flavored Brandy
681 Apricot Flavored Brandy
682 Blackberry Flavored Brandy
683 Peach Flavored Brandy
684 Cherry Flavored Brandy
685 Ginger Flavored Brandy
688 Liqueur & Brandy
689 Other Flavored Brandy
690 Specialities & Proprietaries
691 Whisky Specialties
692 Gin Specialties
693 Vodka Specialties
694 Rum Specialties
695 Liqueurs (whisky)
696 Liqueurs (gin)
697 Liqueurs (vodka)
698 Liqueurs (rum)
699 Other Specialties & Proprietaries

barturtle
10-22-2010, 08:54
700 Cocktails 48 Proof Up
701 Whisky Manhattan (48 Proof Up)
702 Whisky Old Fashioned (48 Proof Up)
703 Whisky Sour (48 Proof Up )
704 Margarita (48 Proof Up)
706 Gin Martini (48 Proof Up)
707 Gin Sour (48 Proof Up)
710 Cocktails 48 Proof Up (cont)
711 Vodka Martini (48 Proof Up)
714 Daiquiri (48 Proof Up)
716 Brandy Stinger (48 Proof Up)
717 Brandy Side Car (48 Proof Up)
718 Colada (48proof Up)
719 Other Coctails (48proof Up)
720 Cocktails Under 48 Proof
721 Whisky Manhattan (under 48 Proof)
722 Whisky Old Fashioned (under 48 Proof)
723 Whisky Sour (under 48 Proof)
724 Margarita (under 48 Proof)
725 Other Tequila-based Cocktails (under 48 Proof)
726 Gin Martini (under 48 Proof)
727 Gin Sour (under 48 Proof)
730 Cocktails Under 48 Proof (cont)
731 Vodka Martini (under 48 Proof)
734 Daiquiri (under 48 Proof)
736 Brandy Stinger (under 48 Proof)
737 Brandy Side Car (under 48 Proof)
738 Colada (under 48 Proof)
739 Other Cocktails (under 48 Proof)
740 Mixed Drinks-hi Balls Cocktails
741 Screw Driver
742 Collins
743 Bloody Mary
747 Egg Nog
749 Other Mixed Drinks Hi-balls Cocktails
750 Cocktails 48 Proof Up
751 Whisky Manhattan (48 Proof Up)
752 Whisky Old Fashioned (48 Proof Up)
753 Whisky Sour (48 Proof Up)
754 Margarita 48 Proof Up
756 Gin Martini 48 Proof Up 757 Gin Sour 48 Proof Up
761 Vodka Martini 48 Proof Up
764 Daiquiri 48 Proof Up
766 Brandy Stinger 48 Proof Up
767 Brandy Side Car 48 Proof Up
768 Colada (48 Proof Up )
769 Other Cocktails (48 Proof Up)
770 Cocktails Under 48 Proof
771 Whisky Manhattan Under 48 Proof
772 Whisky Old Fashioned Under 48 Proof
773 Whisky Sour Under 48 Proof
774 Margarita Under 48 Proof
776 Gin Martini Under 48 Proof
777 Gin Sour Under 48 Proof
780 Cocktails Under 48 Pr(cont)
781 Vodka Martini Under 48 Proof
782 Vodka Sour Under 48 Proof
784 Daiquiri Under 48 Proof
786 Brandy Stinger Under 48 Proof
787 Brandy Side Car Under 48 Proof
788 Colada (under 48 Proof )
789 Other Cocktails (under 48 Proof)
790 Mixed Drinks-hi Balls Cocktails
791 Screw Driver
792 Collins
793 Bloody Mary
797 Egg Nog
799 Other Mixed Drinks Hi-balls Cocktails

barturtle
10-22-2010, 08:55
80 Table Red And Rose Wine
81 Table White Wine
82 Table Flavored Wine
83 Table Fruit Wine
84 Sparkling Wine/champagne
85 Carbonated Wine
86 Vermouth
87 Dessert Flavored Wine
88 Dessert /port/sherry/(cooking) Wine
89 Dessert Fruit Wine
900 Malt Beverages
901 Beer
902 Ale
903 Malt Liquor
904 Stout
905 Porter
906 Malt Beverages Specialities - Flavored
907 Cereal Beverages - Near Beer (non Alcoholic)
909 Other Malt Beverages (beer)
920 Other Spirits
921 Neutral Spirits - Grain
922 Neutral Spirits - Fruit
923 Neutral Spirits - Cane
924 Neutral Spirits - Vegetable
925 Neutral Spirits - Petroleum
926 Bitters - Beverage 928 Grain Spirits
929 Other Spirits
931 Sake
934 Sake - Domestic Flavored
940 Non Alcoholic Mixes
950 Malt Beverages
951 Beer
952 Ale
953 Malt Liquor
954 Stout
955 Porter
956 Malt Beverages Specialities
957 Cereal Beverages - Near Beer (non Alcoholic)
959 Other Malt Beverages
970 Other Spirits
971 Neutral Spirits - Grain
972 Neutral Spirits - Fruit
973 Neutral Spirits - Cane
974 Neutral Spirits - Vegetable
975 Neutral Spirits - Petroleum
976 Bitters - Beverage*
977 Tequila Fb
978 Tequila Usb
979 Mezcal
980 Mezcal Fb
981 Sake - Imported
982 Mezcal Us
984 Sake - Imported Flavored
990 Non Alcohol Mixes

barturtle
10-22-2010, 08:56
There we go...I've yet to see the word "Kentucky" in there, but feel free to double check for me.

Josh
10-22-2010, 11:12
There we go...I've yet to see the word "Kentucky" in there, but feel free to double check for me.

Good grief, man. You need to get back to work and soon! Reminds me of when the wife was on maternity leave. She spent her time coming up with complex diagrams on how to win games on The Price is Right.

CorvallisCracker
10-22-2010, 11:17
138 DILUTED BLENDED WHISKY


Wouldn't that be redundant?



331 Vodka - Orange Flavored
332 Vodka - Grape Flavored
333 Vodka - Lime Flavored
334 Vodka - Lemon Flavored
335 Vodka - Cherry Flavored
336 Vodka - Chocolate Flavored
337 Vodka - Mint Flavored
338 Vodka - Peppermint Flavored
339 Vodka - Other Flavored

381 Vodka - Orange Flavored
382 Vodka - Grape Flavored
383 Vodka - Lime Flavored
384 Vodka - Lemon Flavored
385 Vodka - Cherry Flavored
386 Vodka - Chocolate Flavored
387 Vodka - Mint Flavored
388 Vodka - Peppermint Flavored
389 Vodka - Other Flavored


Deja vu all over again?

And no classification for Pomegranate Flavored? How twentieth century.



451 Cuban Rum White Fb
452 Cuban Rum White Usb
453 Cuban Rum Gold Fb
454 Cuban Rum Gold Usb


A classification for something that's not even legal to sell here. Your tax dollars at work!



500 California Grape Brandy
501 California Brandy
502 California Dried Brandy
503 California Lees Brandy
504 California Pomace Or Marc Brandy
505 California Residue Brandy
506 California Neutral Brandy
509 Other California Brandy
510 New York Grape Brandy
511 New York Brandy
512 New York Dried Brandy
513 New York Lees Brandy
514 New York Pomace Or Marc Brandy
515 New York Residue Brandy
516 New York Neutral Brandy
519 Other New York Brandy


No Oregon Brandy?

As for Residue Brandy, I thought about looking that up, but decided I didn't want to know.



975 Neutral Spirits - Petroleum


OMG! :puke:

barturtle
10-22-2010, 11:30
Good grief, man. You need to get back to work and soon! Reminds me of when the wife was on maternity leave. She spent her time coming up with complex diagrams on how to win games on The Price is Right.

Yeah, well I thought I was just gonna copy and paste it straight from the ATF site...turns out it's about 40,000 too many characters for one post...

ErichPryde
10-22-2010, 12:32
I can't believe you made Scott say OMG! :slappin:

cowdery
10-22-2010, 17:38
"Kentucky is the only state with a federal classification for labeling purposes" is a myth that dies hard. What I usually do, and will do with KDA, is ask for a citation. Let them find out for themselves that it isn't true.

barturtle
10-23-2010, 01:56
975 Neutral Spirits - Petroleum

So that's PeNiS? right?

wadewood
10-23-2010, 09:10
the must be reading this site. They have updated their "key facts" and removed that information.

sku
10-23-2010, 13:35
the must be reading this site. They have updated their "key facts" and removed that information.

Looks like it's still there to me.

wadewood
10-23-2010, 15:41
Looks like it's still there to me.

? yes your original link still works, but if you go to KDA site and then look at new "facts" info link, I think it has been updated.

cowdery
10-24-2010, 19:49
I commend them for recognizing and correcting their mistake. Good for the KDA.

callmeox
10-24-2010, 19:56
I commend them for recognizing and correcting their mistake. Good for the KDA.

From what I can tell, both versions of the PDF were generated on the same day in September. Perhaps they caught the mistake early on but published the incorrect one.