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MarkB
03-07-2003, 10:35
Greetings fellow Bourbon fans. I'm a newbie to the pleasures of Bourbon but my rookie-ness so far hasn't precluded me from enjoying my still beginner level forays into the world of Bourbon. It took a recent trip to Scotland to make me realize that Bourbon is better! (at least that's my humble opinion). Anyway, I have a question for this learned group. One bourbon I've recently tried and so far it's my favorite (although Old Forester isn't far behind) is 1843. When I bought my first bottle the clerk proudly pointed out that it is "bottled in bond" and of course that is listed on the label. So-- what exactly does this mean?

Also, I've recently had a chance to try Eagle Rare 10yo, Rip Van Winkle 12yo, Wathan's Single Barrel, Buffalo Trace, 1843, and Old Forester in a taste off. Wow, what an evening! Things sort of rapibly detiorated but if memory serves... they were all very good, but I was surprised that the 1843 (and OF too) held its own quite well. I think I liked the Wathan's Single Barrell best. Another question-- what is the story on David Nicholson's 1843? Is it well known, how is it regarded, etc?

Anyway, this is a great site and I've really enjoyed reading up on the old discussions to "smarten up" on the world of Bourbons.

Mark
http://jazztrpt.freeservers.com

Paradox
03-07-2003, 11:14
Nice to have you on board... Now is it just me or is this board getting overwhelmed with Mark's! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

--> Mark R.

**DONOTDELETE**
03-07-2003, 11:27
Well Mark we used to have more Johns than a New Orleans Whore House so now we're over Mark'd! I think my good friend Mark Rickey would make a real good 'Rocky'! But you're the first and have dibs on the name. What say ye??? http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif - Linn

**DONOTDELETE**
03-07-2003, 11:39
Welcome to Bourbonia Mark Bradley! A hearty BleeE! to you sir. A trumpet playing enemy blowin' upin' SEAL are ye now laddie??? http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif Yeah we could use a guy like you around here! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif I'm a Viet Nam era vetran (served in what was then West Gernamy - not 'Nam) I was a Combat Engineer and Demo expert. Would you care to de-construct a few sc**th distilleries with me by any chance?? - Linn http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

ratcheer
03-07-2003, 16:57
Mark,

Here is a previuos discussion of bonded bourbon that I think will help answer your question. And welcome to straightbourbon.com.

http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=General&Number=7189&Fo rum=All_Forums&Words=bonded&Match=Entire%20Phrase& Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=1year&Main=1322&Search=t rue#Post7189

Tim

texascarl
03-08-2003, 10:42
Mark,
Welcome to the board. As a fellow Kansas Citian, I can say that David Nicholson 1843 isn't available everywhere. It's a 'house' brand out of St. Louis, has always been sold in Missouri and Illinois. Was THE premium bourbon in Missouri for many years until the recent 'golden age'. Per other conversations on here this is basically 7 year old Old Fitzgerald BIB (bottled in Bond in a nutshell = at least 4 years old, 100 proof). It's a good buy.

If you like this one (and I do) look for Old Fitz 1849 as well, it's 90 proof, 8 years old, and you can find it for ~ the same price as the DN 1843 at Gomer's, Royal on 103rd or Red X in Riverside. Neither of these fine whiskey's are available in Kansas, by the way.

One nice thing about living in KC, you can check Kansas for a sale on Knob Creek (Gomer's on 87th in Lenexa or Jacks-S.M. Parkway & Lackman in Shawnee -always best prices) drive 10 miles to Missouri for different sale prices, totally different selection. Sweet.

Lukas Liquors in Overland Park (http://www.lukasliquor.com/acatalog/index.html)

Royal Liquor (http://www.royal-liquors.com/)

And you can check the KC Star (http://newspaperads.kansascity.com/) online for the weekly sale at Gomers, both Kansas and Missouri locations.

cowdery
03-09-2003, 12:40
To be called "bottled in bond," a bourbon must be at least four years old and at least 100 proof. It also must be the product of one distillery and one distiller in one season. "Straight bourbon" can be and often is a combination of different bourbons made at different times and places. "Bonded Bourbon" cannot be a combination of that sort.

bobbyc
03-09-2003, 13:46
Are you saying here , Chuck , that it qualifies as BIB if over 100 Proof, As long as everything else is met?

boone
03-09-2003, 14:12
A lot of bourbon information is in this forum...

The most informative person, (in my opinion) is Chuck Cowdery...He is a member of "The" Straightbourbon.com group of bourbon enthusiast...

Chuck is the writer/producer/director of Made and Bottled in Kentucky...It's a one-hour documentary about the bourbon whiskey industry...It was produced in 1992 in honor of the bicentennial of Kentucky statehood...Funding was provided by Kentucky Educational Television (KET) and the Kentucky Distillers Assocaition (KDA)...Since its original broadcast on KET, the program has appeared on most U.S. public television stations.

http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif A excellent documentary http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif !!!

http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif Bettye Jo http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

bobbyc
03-09-2003, 15:01
There is also a copy of Chuck's video in the Nelson County Library. They have The Regans Book of Bourbon, Several copies of The Marker's Mark book, That book has a neat ad copy in it where they spoofed Pappy Van Winkle , Booker's and something else , I didn't get it Maybe it was AH Hirsch They called it Old Fat Cat and had Gold on the label, and dollar signs. He said thay got a lot of feed back from the producers of those Bourbons.
BettyeJo , do they have a copy at the Getz? That would be a neat addition to the other videos they have. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

boone
03-09-2003, 15:24
Ohhhhhhhhhh Yeahhhhhhhhhhhh...Chuck's video is at the Getz....They play it in the "Beam" room...Not the official name but that's were all of my family history is http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

You can get a copy through Chuck. His profile has the link to his webpage....

http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif Bettye Jo http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

boone
03-09-2003, 15:53
One other thing that I remembered to post here...

The Getz has a very extensive collection of Bourbon History...We both know that...You could spend a very, very, long time and ya still would not get to see and read everything http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif ...

I asked this question, at the Getz, a couple of weeks ago...What is the most valuable or the most treasured item, or items, in the Oscar Getz Museum of Whiskey History?

The answer...There is a collection of very old historcal books, with some of the earliest records of bourbon distilling in Kentucky...One of the books dates back to to late 1700's http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif ...

http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif Bettye Jo http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

bobbyc
03-09-2003, 16:28
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The answer...There is a collection of very old historcal books, with some of the earliest records of bourbon distilling in Kentucky...One of the books dates back to to late 1700's

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That may well be , and I can understand why one would see it that way. Still, I'll never forget when Jo showed me that wood carved picture of Early Times and said it was Priceless, Priceless! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

jeff
03-09-2003, 18:00
I'll second Chuck's Video. I bought it several months back and have watched it several times. Not only great information, but really nice scenery as well.

Gillman
03-09-2003, 18:30
I was also knocked out by the old bottle collection, Bettye Jo. They have 19th century bottles with original contents which exhibit all hues, one (the whiskey) an interesting green-type colour! Love those old bottles, they bring all that history to life..

Cy

boone
03-09-2003, 18:46
One more thing...but this has nothing to do with bourbon...It's about the Hisotry Museum in the back of the Getz...Yes, there is another small museum in the back of the Getz...

There is a pictue of Jesse James in his casket (gave me the willies just ta look at it) and (supposedly a hat he lost in a escape)...Word has it that Frank and Jesse hid out a lot in Samules Ky...(not far from Bardstown)...and they shot at, many a man, in their running days around Nelson County...

The Talbot Tavern (before it burned) used to show folks some holes in the wall upstairs...they claim they were put there by Jesse James...

http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif Bettye Jo http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

bluesbassdad
03-09-2003, 22:33
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His profile has the link to his webpage....

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Or if you're too impatient to go that route, just click here (http://cowdery.home.netcom.com/page8.html) to go directly to the page where you can order this excellent video.

I may never make it to bourbon country in Kentucky, but I feel as though I've already seen the best it has to offer.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

MarkB
03-10-2003, 12:55
Thanks very much, everybody, for all the great info.

So much great Bourbon out there... so little time (and liver).

Mark Bradley
jazztrpt.freeservers.com

cowdery
03-11-2003, 10:11
Yes, it just has to be at least 100 proof.