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birdman1099
12-15-2010, 18:44
I was under the impression that there were more Stagg bottles produced this year than any other year.... So I thought I will be able to snag a few.



Well, where the hell are they????:skep:


Every town I have been in is sold out......


Are you seeing any???

TomH
12-15-2010, 18:48
Scott, you're right that production was up, but distribution apparently has changed because a lot of retailers got their allocations cut. I've managed to get the number of bottles I wanted (in fact I increased my number after I tasted this years release) but I have yet to see a bottle on the shelf. Every bottle I've procured has been from behind the counter.


Tom

callmeox
12-15-2010, 19:31
Are you seeing any???

Yeah, I see three on the floor on the other side of the room. I've been meaning to put them up, but I keep forgetting. :grin:

FWIW, Ohio's allocation was the largest in the three years that I've been hounding them to bring it in. I think we got 6 cases, if not a couple more that have not hit the sales book yet.

White Dog
12-15-2010, 20:20
In my parts, only Handy, ER17, and WLW are hitting the shelves. If you wanted Stagg or Saz18, you needed to have a prior discussion with the shop. Same goes for VW products, except for Lot B, which you will see on shelves.

fishnbowljoe
12-15-2010, 20:48
I wonder if it will be like it was around here last year. One store got 2 cases. I believe Gary and I bought all but one bottle. :grin: Then, three or four months later, more of it mysteriously showed up. :skep: Could it be that some distributors are playing games? :smiley_acbt: Just food for thought. :rolleyes: Joe

sku
12-15-2010, 20:50
Stagg is still on some shelves out here.

bvscfanatic
12-15-2010, 22:14
I can account for one bottle which is very nearly empty.

MissinER101
12-16-2010, 03:00
I was to get 3 bottles through a buddy with "connections" in distribution...Still has not shown up:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

hectic1
12-16-2010, 06:53
I've been to 4 different Binny's locations and I've seen BTAC at all of them...only 1 of the 4 had GTS on hand. At least from what I've seen with the other versions of BTAC the constant price increases have slowed down the buying rate as last year at this time most of the BTAC was gone from the shelves. I know that last year I had snatched up a couple WLW, GTS, and Handy by now...this year my funds have gone for PHC.

M14Shooter
12-16-2010, 07:33
I have seen some Stagg in the Boston area.But not as much as last year.Some stores did not get any..There seems to be more Handy,WLW and Eagle Rare 17 in Mass. SAZ 18 seems to in short supply as well.

Mike

bcrossan
12-16-2010, 16:39
Austin got a ton of Stagg and hardly any Saz.

cowdery
12-16-2010, 18:07
In Illinois, and probably some other states, the law prevents even a big retail chain like Binny's from moving merchandise between stores. They can send something that has been sold to another store for pick-up, but if South Loop runs out of Stagg and it isn't selling in Algonquin, they can't shift stock from Algonquin to downtown. I don't know a lot more about it, but perhaps what they do with something like Stagg is buy it from the distributor when it is first released and then have the distributor hold delivery until they see who needs what. I'm just speculating about that, but it could account for bottles that show up where none were before.

And as someone mentioned earlier about under-the-counter transactions, always ask your whiskey monger if they can get it for you. Don't accept an empty shelf as the last word.

ThomasH
12-16-2010, 18:14
My local "go to" store received one case of Stagg and it sold almost immediately. Nice to know that it at least is arriving in my area!

Thomas

sku
12-16-2010, 19:06
In Illinois, and probably some other states, the law prevents even a big retail chain like Binny's from moving merchandise between stores.

I've come to accept the strange and seemingly purposeless character of many liquor laws, but what could possibly be the justification for this type of law? Is it to protect smaller stores?

squire
12-16-2010, 19:42
sku I had a hand in drafting legislation in my early career and from first hand observation I believe what's behind quirky laws are elected members seeking contributions or posing for voters.

cowdery
12-16-2010, 20:19
I've come to accept the strange and seemingly purposeless character of many liquor laws, but what could possibly be the justification for this type of law? Is it to protect smaller stores?

It's to protect the monopoly of the distributors. If Binny's, with all of its outlets, was allowed to handle its own intra-chain distribution, that would cost the distributors a big chunk of their business and give Binny's huge leverage with them.

White Dog
12-16-2010, 20:34
It's to protect the monopoly of the distributors. If Binny's, with all of its outlets, was allowed to handle its own intra-chain distribution, that would cost the distributors a big chunk of their business and give Binny's huge leverage with them.

I'd say it's to protect smaller stores. Let's say Binny's buys a 25-case Beam White deal, then spreads it amongst all it's locations. A mom and pop store can't take a deal that large, and thus can't get the price break. With anti-pyramiding, each Binny's location must take a 25 case deal if they want the low price. It levels the playing field. Of course, inter-store swapping within big chains still goes on under the table. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

White Dog
12-16-2010, 20:37
And as someone mentioned earlier about under-the-counter transactions, always ask your whiskey monger if they can get it for you. Don't accept an empty shelf as the last word.[/QUOTE]

And don't ask the first person you see, as they may be part-time help. Ask to speak to the actual BUYER for the store. They're the ones with the power and info.

cowdery
12-16-2010, 21:51
Binny's can buy for the whole chain, they just have to let the distributor deliver it to individual stores, thus no real protection for smaller stores, as Binny's still gets the big chain buying power.

State aclcoholic beverage control boards have their mission defined at law and helping smaller retailers compete is not one of their enumerated purposes. Everything they do is, ostensibly at least, tied to one of those purposes, such as preventing minors from obtaining alcohol, fostering an orderly alcohol distribution system, discouraging abuse, and enforcing the laws, that sort of thing. Part of an "orderly distribution system" is that only distributors distribute. If Binny's was allowed to have a central warehouse and handle its own intra-chain distribution, then they would be a quasi distributor.

But, as I said, I'm just extrapolating based on what Brett told me about intra-store transfers being prohibited. That may not actually be how it works.

sku
12-17-2010, 18:22
Interesting. California doesn't appear to have such laws (or they go unenforced) as several stores quite openly ship between locations.

B.B. Babington
12-17-2010, 18:31
that may be one of the few advantages of most control states, they can easily ship between stores since it's all one outlet.

callmeox
12-17-2010, 19:30
that may be one of the few advantages of most control states, they can easily ship between stores since it's all one outlet.


The advantage that Ohio has is that it is a bailment state. The liquor on the floor of the regional warehouses in the belongs to the distributor, not to the state. Ohio doesn't pay for the stock on hand until it is shipped to a store.

There's little reason to run short of anything with this arrangement.

bourbonNOOG
12-18-2010, 08:11
Be happy Stagg or any of the other BTAC showed up in your area. Out of the 20 stores I've visited locally, few even know of the BTAC and none have it or have ever had it. Nashville was the closest spot I was able to find it.

buckey48
12-19-2010, 12:16
Austin got a ton of Stagg and hardly any Saz.


Do any of the stores ship? To Ca.?

My normal suppliers only got 1-3 bottles and most were sold.

Thanks

squire
12-19-2010, 20:35
Stagg is here but doesn't seem to move fast. I saw 8-10 bottles in a single row in a store yesterday whereas the same store will put out only one bottle at a time of Pappy 15 just to prevent customers from trying to buy more than one.

bourbonNOOG
12-20-2010, 06:01
Stagg is here but doesn't seem to move fast. I saw 8-10 bottles in a single row in a store yesterday whereas the same store will put out only one bottle at a time of Pappy 15 just to prevent customers from trying to buy more than one.

This seems to be normal with Pappy everywhere in the south. In Nashville I hit a couple of stores and got similar answers from all when I asked about Pappy. The answer I got was, "we don't put any out on the shelves, we save it all for our regular customers." He defined regular customers as people who come in at least once a week. While this is noble of him to do so, it can't be good business practice.

Locally in Chattanooga, there are very few stores you see with Pappy. The ones that do have it put it all out and someone buys all the 15 and 20. Most of them only have the 10/90 and 10/107 left.

bcrossan
12-20-2010, 06:56
Do any of the stores ship? To Ca.?

My normal suppliers only got 1-3 bottles and most were sold.

Thanks

TX stores do not ship. They are governed by the communist organization known as TABC. Technically, nobody is allowed to ship into TX either :hot:

buckey48
12-20-2010, 15:13
TX stores do not ship. They are governed by the communist organization known as TABC. Technically, nobody is allowed to ship into TX either :hot:


That isn't very nice. Keep all the good stuff in TX.

Guess I will have keep looking.

David D
12-21-2010, 21:34
I can answer a few questions here. As a major retailer, allocations were drastically cut at first to make sure they did not unfairly give too many to one account. This led to panic with many of us who knew we wouldn't come close to satisfying even our best customers. I personally NEVER put one bottle out on the store floor. Like others have said, you had to know me and be on my whiskey email list to get a bottle. I've received probably about 30 bottles of Stagg so far and will probably get a few more before it's all said and done. But I don't think anyone is putting them on the shelf. The problem comes down to being fair. Sazerac has more stores than ever who want them. We have 5x more customers who want them than last year. I had to do an extraordinary amount of work to make sure that everyone got one and that they were evenly distributed among loyal customers.

Special Reserve
12-22-2010, 02:33
I found one in MI yesterday at the state minimum price too boot.

jburlowski
12-23-2010, 13:20
Don't know how long this will last, but the Party Source has some (http://www.thepartysource.com/whiskey/whiskey_special.php). And they now ship to many states. Also VW.

birdman1099
12-23-2010, 14:18
Don't know how long this will last, but the Party Source has some (http://www.thepartysource.com/whiskey/whiskey_special.php). And they now ship to many states. Also VW.


They must have gotten another shipment. they were sold out the day I went there. (their original release day)

DeanSheen
12-23-2010, 15:09
Don't know how long this will last, but the Party Source has some (http://www.thepartysource.com/whiskey/whiskey_special.php). And they now ship to many states. Also VW.

Nice heads up. No Ohio on the list so I cant be tempted.

jburlowski
12-23-2010, 18:50
They must have gotten another shipment. they were sold out the day I went there. (their original release day)
I asked Jay Erisman at PS. He said that some markets apparently (and unbelievably) turned their allocation back, so he was able to get some additional supply.

squire
12-24-2010, 15:12
As of today the locals have finally been cleaned out.

snifred
12-24-2010, 16:03
I'm on Long Island for Xmas and made a run to the local store today for some things for the family and saw two bottles on the shelf. Lucky find!

MissinER101
12-26-2010, 19:33
Thanks for the heads up; my source doesn't seem to have come through; also got a Handy as well.

jdodso3
12-29-2010, 10:10
Binnys in Chicago has all of the antique bottlings. They will also ship.

nivto
01-06-2011, 17:52
Total Beverage has Stagg in stock at $74.98. They don't mention whether or not there is a bottle limit per customer.

https://www.totalbeverage.net/index.php/cart/item?id=341004


They will NOT ship to the following states: Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, Georgia, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Mississippi, Montana, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, and Texas.

Lucas Jackson
01-06-2011, 18:30
Do any of the stores ship? To Ca.?

My normal suppliers only got 1-3 bottles and most were sold.

Thanks

Where in CA are you Buck? It is fairly available out here in my travels. Let me know and maybe I can steer you the right way.

Josh
01-07-2011, 10:03
Where in CA are you Buck? It is fairly available out here in my travels. Let me know and maybe I can steer you the right way.

That's what SB is all about right there. :cool:

buckey48
01-10-2011, 17:34
Where in CA are you Buck? It is fairly available out here in my travels. Let me know and maybe I can steer you the right way.
East Bay San Francisco area. Hayward, ca to be exact.

Thanks