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autiger23
12-18-2010, 23:56
How many have had it?

If you actually saw one on the shelf would you actually buy it? Well found one in glass locked case at a store here on vacation for $299. Worth it?

Still can't believe I saw it in a store, thought I was crazy. Maybe cause I saw the hype and the ending of the production.

cowdery
12-19-2010, 00:34
We go around about this all the time. Like the old joke, "if you have to ask how much it costs, you can't afford it."

Personally, I stopped buying these at about $90, but it's really a question of how much money you have and what $300 means to you. If you can easily drop $300 on a whim then buy it. You've probably spent $300 worse ways. If you can't spend $300 that casually then, hey, it's just a bottle of whiskey. No big deal.

Does spending $300 on a bottle of whiskey make you more or less likely to take it home, open it, and drink it? If after spending $300 you feel you have to wait for a special occasion, then you probably should leave it alone. The right way to think about it is that spending $300 on a bottle of whiskey is a special occasion.

autiger23
12-19-2010, 00:45
This will be the most expensive to date for me. Have spent about a grand in the last couple months on stagg, handy, pappys so it's not killing me. I was just basically seeing the rarity these days on seeing one in store actually on the shelf? They just bottled the last batch from stainless, correct? I just don't want to let it go past me if it's worth jumping on.

silverfish
12-19-2010, 06:52
If you really want one, you could always check ebay.
One recently went unsold with start price of $200.
plus $22.50 shipping.

macdeffe
12-19-2010, 07:23
When bourbons that are NOT supermarket stock travel to Denmark, they usually double or triple in price. As bourbons for isn't easy to sell here, things often get stuck on shelfs here. Original price was around 160-200$ for AH Hirsch here, and put few places put it on offer for around 130$, I think they missed the fact it had become rare and expensive in other places

Well for 130$ and prices that are usually double the US prices I bought 12 of 13 bottles from a local shop, just left one bottle for good whisky karma

Future drinking stock should be secured :-)

(Staggs are around 300-400$ here)

I think it's a very good and slightly different bourbon

Steffen

bcrossan
12-19-2010, 08:13
I found quite a few of them and snatched them up. I personally think it is a nice bourbon, but as Chuck said the price is an individual's choice on what it is worth to him given their financial situation.

If anyone fancies a swap I might be open to something. I would love a Saz 18 from 04 or 05:grin:

White Dog
12-19-2010, 09:31
Many on this site would say that the whiskey inside the gold foil bottle was in tank too long, and is not worth the price, but if the historical significance matters to you, then it's worth it.

Personally, I really like what's in the bottle, and while that alone may not be worth the price, I think that owning something from such an important silent distillery is.

People pay out the nose for things like Port Ellen, but Bourbon drinkers are much more frugal than Scotch drinkers.

bcrossan
12-19-2010, 09:47
Many on this site would say that the whiskey inside the gold foil bottle was in tank too long, and is not worth the price, but if the historical significance matters to you, then it's worth it.

Personally, I really like what's in the bottle, and while that alone may not be worth the price, I think that owning something from such an important silent distillery is.

People pay out the nose for things like Port Ellen, but Bourbon drinkers are much more frugal than Scotch drinkers.

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Josh
12-19-2010, 10:52
I've had some of the gold foil and it was a fine bourbon, but I wouldn't pay $300 for it. I've never had the blue or gold wax (I would be willing to accept samples for research purposes) but the consensus around here is that those are the best expressions and that, as White Dog said, the gold foil was tanked too long.

wadewood
12-19-2010, 11:30
Bought my A.H. Hirsch 16 bottles for $39 from Binny's. Of course that was 5-6 years ago, but still same stuff you are tempted to buy at $299.

WsmataU
12-19-2010, 18:41
I bought a gold foil at $90 a year or so ago after debating about spending a few hundred on the blue wax variety. My reaction was, "That is really good bourbon. But I'm glad I didn't spend a dime more on it." I dropped my quest for the mythical blue wax bragging rights shortly thereafter.

squire
12-19-2010, 21:49
I bought a couple of these some years ago, paid less than $100 for the pair, and set them aside for special days.

Of course, you only have to wake up in a hospital once to realize every day is special so I drank them.

Vange
12-23-2010, 10:51
I have 16 gold foil Hirschs stashed away. None more than $50 a bottle. I really like it. Of course, that was when I was caught up in Hirsch in a big way. I have many of the other wax top 16s and a few 20 y/o. I already told the story of the 19 y/o I sold to pay for a pricey vet bill.

It's not $300 good though. The 20 y/o is, not the 16 year gold foil. Better off with a Pappy 23 or 2-3 Pappy 20s for that price.

FWIW, I still see the gold foil for around $100 around me. Not many left, but some still out there.

ethangsmith
12-23-2010, 13:35
Wow. If someone can get their hands on one or 2 for me for less than $150 a piece, let me know PLEASE! As some of you know on here, I'm a huge Michter's collector and of course the Hirsch 16's all came from Michter's back in the day. It's the one bottle missing from my collection!

JohnHansell
12-23-2010, 13:43
I bought a couple of these some years ago, paid less than $100 for the pair, and set them aside for special days.

Of course, you only have to wake up in a hospital once to realize every day is special so I drank them.

Good for you squire! (Not ending up in the hospital, but to realize every day is special.)

ErichPryde
12-24-2010, 00:28
. I already told the story of the 19 y/o I sold to pay for a pricey vet bill.



mad respect for this. I spent a very large amount of money to save one of my animals' lives recently, and I would do it again.

squire
12-26-2010, 15:42
Ethan I wouldn't know where to began to find a genuine bottle of Hirsch/Mitcher's 16. I certainly would avoid the internet auctions because there are way too many unscrupulous people out there who can drain a bottle without leaving tell tale marks.

snakster
12-30-2010, 20:10
I bought three bottles when PA was clearing them out at $50 a pop several years ago. I drank one and enjoyed it a great deal; easily one of my favorite whiskeys. I gave another to a friend on his wedding day and I've bunkered the last one for some indeterminate day in the future.

All that said, I would never pay $300 for it (and I love it). My personal opinion is that no bourbon is worth that much; but I certainly wouldn't argue with anyone who did. To each their own.

squire
12-31-2010, 17:16
My only experience was with the blue label expressions but I wouldn't pay large for any of them now as I have a limit for what is essentially a consumable product.

chefnash51
03-12-2011, 12:13
sorry to bring up an older thread, but looking for some insight.

Came across a bottle of the 16 yr gold foil for $203. Is this a price that I should pull the trigger on it? I know it's subjective, any feedback is appreciated.

callmeox
03-12-2011, 12:29
sorry to bring up an older thread, but looking for some insight.

Came across a bottle of the 16 yr gold foil for $203. Is this a price that I should pull the trigger on it? I know it's subjective, any feedback is appreciated.

I paid less than half of that two years ago for the same bottle and it felt excessive.

Questions that I would ask myself before making the buy:

Are you looking to drink it or flip it?

What other bottles that you know you enjoy could you buy for that amount?

sku
03-12-2011, 12:41
sorry to bring up an older thread, but looking for some insight.

Came across a bottle of the 16 yr gold foil for $203. Is this a price that I should pull the trigger on it? I know it's subjective, any feedback is appreciated.

Actually, that's about the best price I've seen on a gold foil in at least a year, so if you are set on getting one, I'd go for it.

squire
03-12-2011, 13:31
Clearly a personal call Kevin, some points in favor of purchase are it's unique, an opportunity to have something we know is flavorable and distinct, one that has become increasingly difficult to locate and chances are the next one you come across will cost even more. The stuff is going up faster than the price of gas.

cas
03-12-2011, 13:34
Saw a bottle on the shelf this afternoon for about $180. Didn't buy it. Got a couple on my shelf that I got for under $60.
Craig

chefnash51
03-12-2011, 15:45
Thanks for the responses. I would be looking at drinking it for sure.... Very very slowly.

It's been at this store for years and hasn't moved... It's a tough call

cowdery
03-12-2011, 15:50
You probably won't find one for less so if you want it, you probably won't have a better opportunity. I stopped at about $80 but I just looked the other day to see what I have and I only have two bottles. I wish I had more, but not for $200.

If this tells you anything, I probably wouldn't sell the two I have for $200 each if I had the opportunity.

I would do this. Figure out how much you would pay and make the guy an offer. If it has been there a long time, you might be surprised. If it's still there in 6 months, try again.

tigerlam92
03-12-2011, 17:04
Agreed that at $200, that is the current price (have seen higher) and that you should probably make an offer for it since it's been there for a while.

In one case, I actually went and bought three bottles but when I sampled this gold foil, it wasn't what I really liked and so actually returned two of them. :) I favor profiles of maple syrup, caramel, nice nose, little to no burn with a nice finish; therefore, I highly favor all things SW and Van Winkle. The gold foil AH Hirsch 16 was not that great for me though. It has a little more burn and not as mild and balance as I was expecting. But for some people this is a great plus.

I am glad I had a chance to taste a little of history and do still have one in my bunker.

Cheers
--Hugh

chefnash51
03-12-2011, 17:06
If this tells you anything, I probably wouldn't sell the two I have for $200 each if I had the opportunity.

I would do this. Figure out how much you would pay and make the guy an offer. If it has been there a long time, you might be surprised. If it's still there in 6 months, try again.

That's a good idea. In the end I know I will kick myself if I don't get it so might as well make an offer and see what happens. Thanks Chuck.

chefnash51
03-12-2011, 17:09
I am glad I had a chance to taste a little of history and do still have one in my bunker.

Cheers
--Hugh

That's kinda what I'm thinking.

jburlowski
03-16-2011, 16:14
I was reading the new issue of Imbibe Magazine (March/April 2011). In it is a question about AHH. In the reply, which is from Henry Preiss of Preiss Imports, he states the "we will resurrect the A.H. Hirsch label when we start distilling the product ourselves later this year."

I couldn't find anything about this on the Preiss website. I'm skeptical that they could produce anything up to the quality of AHH 16. But I'm always interested in new producers.

Does anybody know if this is for real?

sku
03-16-2011, 16:32
I was reading the new issue of Imbibe Magazine (March/April 2011). In it is a question about AHH. In the reply, which is from Henry Preiss of Preiss Imports, he states the "we will resurrect the A.H. Hirsch label when we start distilling the product ourselves later this year."


Well, as far as I know Preiss doesn't own a distillery, so I'm not sure what that means, other than they will slap the label on some other product as they do with their current Hirsch (without the AH) label.

cowdery
03-17-2011, 11:58
I laughed when I read that about Preiss. The last time I talked to someone there, which was a couple years ago, they told me they probably would not use "A. H. Hirsch" again but would and have used just plain "Hirsch" on many products.

But that doesn't mean they couldn't revive A. H. Hirsch. They do own the necessary rights. The assignment of the right to use the name was a handwritten note from Mrs. Hirsch, but it was pretty much unrestricted.

If they choose to use it again, the word "scam" will be hard to resist.

squire
03-17-2011, 17:01
Chuck if they're that brassy they'll probably try to pull in the Mitcher history as well.

cowdery
03-18-2011, 17:28
They effectively can't since Chatham Imports owns the Michter's name. Hirsch's personal connection to Mitchers was limited, so they can't do it that way either. Hirsch was an executive whose specialty seems to have been finance, so about all they really have to leverage is the legend of the A. H. Hirsch bourbon.

White Dog
03-18-2011, 23:27
Could it be that Preiss is speaking to when the Kulsveens may actually distill something for the Hirsch label via contract? This would obviously be something seperate from the Michter's distilled "A.H. Hirsch" bottlings, but also different from all the other sourced Hirsch bottlings, in that it would be made to spec. This may be crazy, but just thinking out loud.:skep:

cowdery
03-18-2011, 23:30
Henry Preiss is a good businessman. He doesn't believe in fairies.

I doubt they have any intention of 'making' something called A. H. Hirsch bourbon. I don't believe the statement quoted in Imbibe was ever made. I suspect it was misconstrued. Who wrote the story?

jburlowski
03-19-2011, 05:43
Henry Preiss is a good businessman. He doesn't believe in fairies.

I doubt they have any intention of 'making' something called A. H. Hirsch bourbon. I don't believe the statement quoted in Imbibe was ever made. I suspect it was misconstrued. Who wrote the story?

It wasn't contained in a "story" as such. It's in a column called Distilled and sub-titled Your Questions, Expert Answers (p24). The "question" is about the remaining supply of Hirsch whiskey. The "answer" is attributed to "Henry Preiss, Preiss Imports". It relates the history of the AHH whiskey. At the end, it states that Preiss Imports "secures selected stocks of exceptional North American whiskies that are bottled under the Hirsch Selection label, and we will again resurrect the A.H. Hirsch Reserve label when we start distilling the product ourselves later this year."

It's impossible to tell if Preiss literally wrote the answer or (more likely, I'd guess) someone from the magazine wrote / edited it.