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humchan2k
01-03-2011, 18:06
Reposting this here in the Rye area, as I have it in the bourbon discussion....and I like the debate for rye better, anyway. :)

Ok, here's one thing I notice here....we discuss price, we discuss value, we discuss flavor, but we rarely ever see any discussion or listing of people's fave juice under given price points...so, let's do it. This is for rye only....

I want you to give me your personal fave picks for rye under 6 distinct price points...ready? Hopefully this will work for a way for some folks to see new suggestions of great stuff and to get inspiration.... I'll start :) (All prices should INCLUDE sales tax, this is the final purchase price here, folks)

Under $20 - Pikesville, no question. How can you beat a good, mixable rye that actually has character and flavor (Beam Rye and Overholt, please see yourself out of this conversation) for under $20? Pikesville is awesome.

$21-30 - Rittenhouse BiB, again, no questions. The big brother to the Pikesville, we have discussed this booze to death...and there's a reason. I am thrilled to have gotten a case of it while I can, cuz it's gone off shelves in LA for the year already.

$31-45 - This is sort of a gap group in rye...not a lot of variety at this price point....since LA costs so freaking much, I am going to cheat and say Baby Saz, cuz a bottle here in LA is about $35. That being said, I still like Rittenhouse BiB BETTER.

$46-60 - Again, there is a bit of lapse in the market for this price point...I think the only rye I have that would fit this bill is R1, but I dunno....I never buy that crap....suggestions? I think some of y'all can find Van Winkle Reserve Rye for about this price point, right? I wouldn't know, as I have yet to ever see a single bottle of that stuff on the shelf....ever.

$61-80 - Tough one. Do you go with Saz 18 or the Handy? How do you choose between 2 amazing products? I gotta say......Saz 18. My personal favorite rye in the entire world, at any price point.

$81-Whatever - Well, this rye is not as good to me as either Handy or Saz 18, but it fits the price point (again, LA is expensive)...so I am going to say Whistlepig Rye as my choice. I met Yuri Kato, their marketing manager, and Dave at the LA WhiskyFest, which was rad, and I like this enough that I have bought a bottle of it....but I don't think I will be buying too much more of it, that is, of course, until my Saz 18 and Handy supplies run out! It's big and bold, very grain driven with some sweetness at the end...a good product, but a tough price.

So...add on! Thoughts? Let's see where this heads!

sku
01-03-2011, 20:11
You're getting ripped off on the Baby Saz, Hi-Time has it for $25. Here are my picks:

Under $20: Pikesville or Wild Turkey 101.

$21-30: Baby Saz

$31-45: As you say, sort of a gap; can't really think of anything great in that neighborhood. Templeton and Hudson are in the range, but I can't say I'd recommend either of them.

$46-60: No contest: High West Rendezvous Rye.

$61-$80: Agree that it's a tough one between Saz 18 and Handy (and WhistlePig to boot). I concur with you that in the end, I'd got with Saz 18.

$81-on. Again, I think you're paying too much. WhistlePig is around $70 at Hi-Time. In this range, I would go with Rittenhouse 23, but I haven't tried the Rittenhouse 25 yet. Also, some of the old Black Maple Hill 23 year old rye was fantastic and High West 16 is also very good.

White Dog
01-03-2011, 21:03
Under $20: Pikesville, Ritt80, and Fleischmann's. (Sku, if you can get WTRye101 for under $20, I hate you.):grin: :grin:

$21-$30: RittBIB, WTRye101. (I just can't accept the medicinal finish on Baby Saz.)

$31-$45: Willet 2yr Indiana Cask Strength.

$46-$60: Handy, VWFRR.

$61-$80: Saz 18yr. While I'm often critical of this bottling, I do drink it. What's a Rye lover to do with so few offering?:rolleyes:

$80plus: The true sweet spot. Vintage 21yr, BMH 23yr, Hirsch 22 and 25yr. (Maybe in 2011 I'll finally pop for a Ritt21yr behind the wife's financial back. Right after I buy a Pappy 23.) Humchan, if you have not had any of these over 20yr Ryes, do so asap. I think your love of Saz18 will quickly fade. (They're not cheap, but good things cost money.)

ThomasH
01-03-2011, 22:44
My picks are Rittenhouse BIB, WT and if you want to go a step up, Sazerac. I'm not much nto the older ryes!

Thomas

TheGentleman
01-04-2011, 05:15
Under 20: ??
21-30: RittBIB and Baby Saz
31-45: Michter's Single Barrel (I think this is darn tasty for $35)
46-60: VWFRR...no question
60+: Rittenhouse 23 yr is the only rye I've had at this price point, but it was excellent!

sailor22
01-04-2011, 06:39
Under $20: Pikesville is a bargain

$21-$30: Baby Saz

$31-$45: Ri (is a decent $20 bottle of rye being sold for much more than it should cost) WTRRR (also way overpriced but tasty none the less)

$46-$60: VWFRR.

$61-$80: Saz 18yr., Handy, High West 16, High West Rezendezvous, the new High West 2/16.

$80plus: So many good ones - BMH 23, Vintage 21 and 23, High West 21, Ritt 21, Old Portrero Hotelings, Rathskeller or Willett (same juice as the BMH and Vintage but at barrel strength)

mrmountainhop
01-13-2011, 23:02
I have to play here, I love rye.

Under $20: Rittenhouse BIB, no question

$21-$30: There's rye available in this price range?

$31-$45: See $21-30.

$46-$60: Handy. Although in my world (SoCal) Handy costs $75 +, I put it here because it's truly spectacular, I think I'll pour some right now, and I need to make room for...

$61-$80: VWFRR, which is nectar of the gods. I buy every bottle of this I can find and bunker half of them. When the zombies march toward our inevitable doom, I'll toast the end with VWFR Rye. (I cannot wait until fresh, non-tanked VWFFR becomes available.)

$80 plus: Rittenhouse 21. OMG, that's incredible whiskey. I have yet to pull the trigger on a bottle of 23, at $165. Ouch. But the 21, that's special occasion delish.

wadewood
01-14-2011, 05:54
$31-$45: Ri (is a decent $20 bottle of rye being sold for much more than it should cost) WTRRR (also way overpriced but tasty none the less)

Ri is priced at $19.99 at all Specs in Houston. Actually it is $24.99, but $5 off with Spec's key (free - frequent shopper program). The priced was changed to this 4-5 months ago with note saying $5 off expired 12-31. That date came and went and $5 off is still valid, so I'm thinking this now permanent price in Houston.

3 years ago, before all the trendy bartenders discovered Rye, Rittenhouse BIB was under $15......

theDon
01-14-2011, 11:59
Wild Turkey Rye $16

humchan2k
01-18-2011, 22:05
I have to play here, I love rye.

Under $20: Rittenhouse BIB, no question

The fact that you can do this right here is just retarded.....it's $26 out west, and it comes one a year, like Kwanzaa.

$21-$30: There's rye available in this price range?

Yep.

$31-$45: See $21-30.

Again, yep.

$46-$60: Handy. Although in my world (SoCal) Handy costs $75 +, I put it here because it's truly spectacular, I think I'll pour some right now, and I need to make room for...

Yes, yes you do.

$61-$80: VWFRR, which is nectar of the gods. I buy every bottle of this I can find and bunker half of them. When the zombies march toward our inevitable doom, I'll toast the end with VWFR Rye. (I cannot wait until fresh, non-tanked VWFFR becomes available.)

I can't find this in Cali, where have you been looking?

$80 plus: Rittenhouse 21. OMG, that's incredible whiskey. I have yet to pull the trigger on a bottle of 23, at $165. Ouch. But the 21, that's special occasion delish.

I can be over in 10.:cool:

roostercogburn
01-19-2011, 19:37
Fun topic.

<$20: Rittenhouse BiB. If this were more readily available, I'd have no reason to pop for Overholt.

$21-$30: WT 101. A real rye bargain. It may be an unpopular opinion, but I prefer the spiciness of WT to Ritt BiB (or maybe I'm swayed by the fact that WT Rye is ubiquitous here).

$31-$45: This is a weird price point for ryes. I once paid ~30 for Baby Saz. Wouldn't jump at it again at that price. Michter's just doesn't do it for me at this or any other price.

$46-$60: VWFRR. Tastes much older than its labeled 13 yrs, which if I understand correctly, it is (or once was). Just hope they don't start pricing it like an older rye.

$61-$80: Toss up between Handy and Saz 18, depending if I want the aggressiveness of the former or the utter drinkability of the latter. I probably lean more towards the 18, but the dearth of it around Dallas has made me grown to appreciate Handy, which never seems in short supply here.

$80<: Another toss up: Ritt 21 or Hirsch 22, both of which are stellar ryes. Paid over $100 for each of them and never questioned whether they were worth it. They are.

theDon
01-19-2011, 20:09
Fun topic.

$21-$30: WT 101. A real rye bargain. It may be an unpopular opinion, but I prefer the spiciness of WT to Ritt BiB (or maybe I'm swayed by the fact that WT Rye is ubiquitous here).



I don't know what the hell ubiquitous means, but you got good taste. Turkey Rye is a great value.

unclebunk
01-20-2011, 07:54
Fun topic.

<$20: Rittenhouse BiB. If this were more readily available, I'd have no reason to pop for Overholt.

$21-$30: WT 101. A real rye bargain. It may be an unpopular opinion, but I prefer the spiciness of WT to Ritt BiB (or maybe I'm swayed by the fact that WT Rye is ubiquitous here).


Nice post, Rooster. I'm with you on pretty much every point. And as much as I enjoy my VWFRR and Handy Sazerac/Saz 18 (and Michter's 10, not the US1), I drink far more WT Rye and Rittenhouse BIB which I enjoy equally, depending upon my mood. Whenever either one approaches the empty bottle range, I replace them ASAP. Great rye at even greater prices IMO.

Brisko
01-20-2011, 09:39
At the risk of turning this into an echo chamber (I mean seriously, where else do you find this much agreement?) I'll post my thoughts.

<$15: Beam. I like it a lot. Most of the bottles I've bought recently have been in the "pretty good even without considering the price" category. One was even in the great category-- only lasted 4 days. Really the only other cheap rye I can find consistently here is Overholt and I'm not a huge fan.

$15-20: WT 101 Rye. Rittenhouse BiB is getting both more expensive and harder to find, and with WT right at the $20 mark most places I don't even hesitate.

$20-30: WT 101 Rye, again. Baby Sazerac is very good--but it's almost as if it's too perfect, to my taste. I prefer the Turkey.

$30 +: I'm a cheapskate so I've found no reason to spring for rye in this price range (other than occasionally at a bar) when I'm perfectly happy with the cheaper stuff.


Basically it comes down to mood-- sometimes the Beam sweetness fits the bill, otherwise, it's WT.

HipFlask
01-30-2011, 07:21
$30 +: I'm a cheapskate so I've found no reason to spring for rye in this price range (other than occasionally at a bar) when I'm perfectly happy with the cheaper stuff.

You should really try one though. The VWFRR is something special. Treat your self to one just because you deserve it.

I would say that in the under 20 range would be Rittenhouse BIB, as I paid 18 and some change for it. I am not sure if I will ever pay close to that again.

In the 20 to 30 range would definitely go to Wild Turkey 101. Sadly I have not yet bought a bottle of baby Saz to compare it too. But I have tried it in a bar.

Then I jump up to the 40 to 70 Range, and there are 3 contenders here Thomas Handy, VWFRR, and Saz 18. It is a really close choice between the Handy and the VW. But in the end VWFRR edges it out.

Now for the the "Best of the Bunch" I would roll it back to where we started. Ritt BIB, when you factor in the value plus taste.

cowdery
01-30-2011, 16:18
Binny's has a good stock of Rittenhouse BIB and with this weekend's 15% discount, just $17.

roostercogburn
01-30-2011, 21:04
Nice post, Rooster. I'm with you on pretty much every point. And as much as I enjoy my VWFRR and Handy Sazerac/Saz 18 (and Michter's 10, not the US1), I drink far more WT Rye and Rittenhouse BIB which I enjoy equally, depending upon my mood. Whenever either one approaches the empty bottle range, I replace them ASAP. Great rye at even greater prices IMO.


Couldn't agree more. Though the great ryes are uber-expensive (and darn hard to find!), rye drinkers do have it made with cheap, available offerings like the Ritt BiB and WT rye that don't sacrifice anything in terms of enjoyment for their humble prices. I probably go through 2 bottles each of those two for every bottle of the 18+ yr range.

HRay
03-22-2011, 22:17
Great idea for a Rye topic! Rye is a marvelous value for now....

Under $20 - Pikesville, no question. Great flavor but unavailable here in Atlanta. Luckily, I can find my favorite everyday Rye: WT 101 for right at $20! I can get Pikesville when I go to McScrooge's in Knoxville.

$21-30 - Rittenhouse BiB, but again, not often available here. When I see it, I buy it. I'm down to my last bottle so I need to start looking. Right now I have to say for this price it would have to be a big bottle of Bulleit 95% Rye. Love the flavor so I'm drinking a lot of this stuff!

$31-45 - High West Rendezvous Rye. I just found a bottle of the Double Rye so I haven't tasted it yet. I plan to do a testing of the LDI rye offerings (Bulleit, High West, and Templeton) sometime next week.

$46-60 - If I EVER find Van Winkle Reserve Rye for this price point, I will buy all they have of it. It's probably my second favorite rye of all.

$61-80 - Definately the Sazerac 18yo Rye. I'm not as fond of the TW Handy but will buy it when I find it. When I find the Saz 18 I will buy all they have! My personal favorite rye at any price.

$81-Whatever - Since we don't get Whistlepig (is it really THAT expensive?) there isn't a rye here in this price range.

Brisko
03-23-2011, 08:01
I will amend my earlier post to say that, despite being a cheapskate, I would probably spring for another bottle of Saz 18, now that I have one. I haven't tried Handy or VWFRR but I'm guessing that I would love them both... may try to grab a Handy soon.

White Dog
03-23-2011, 08:24
I will amend my earlier post to say that, despite being a cheapskate, I would probably spring for another bottle of Saz 18, now that I have one. I haven't tried Handy or VWFRR but I'm guessing that I would love them both... may try to grab a Handy soon.

I enjoy both Handy and Saz 18, but VWFRR is like crack to me.

squire
03-23-2011, 09:37
Locally available we have WT under $20, Saz NAS under $25, Handy and Saz 18 are both under $70 but are available only once a year and you have to know the guys who run the store because those two don't reach the shelves.

Robmo
04-08-2011, 03:36
Probably not qualified to comment, but I agree with the general consensus on Rittenhouse BIB.

This thread has convinced me that I need to try Pikesville.

At the above $81 price point I have a bottle of Black Maple Hill 18 yr and am quite happy with it.

timd
04-13-2011, 13:31
Under $25 - Ritt BiB & WT 101 Rye are unbeatable. Two of the best bangs for the buck in the world of brown spirits period... I could live off of either of them if had to.

Handy & Van Winkle Ryes are the nectar of the gods. As a Scotch drinker (don't beat me...), I can comfortably say they are reasonably priced relative to what I have to pay for a "good" bottle of 10-12 YO Islay malt... And those two are truly amazing spirits. Stunning. Somebody else said this, but they are like crack. Really.

Also worth the money:

Russels Reserve Rye (if under $30) - mintiest.rye.ever. Love it!
Saz Jr. - what got me into Rye, and I still love it
R1 - if $25 or under, which it's mostly priced at now
Saz 18 - worth every penny, but I still prefer Handy & Family Reserve
Vintage 21 - Wow. So hard to find at anything approaching reasonable anymore, but if you can get it under $90, pop on it.
Redemption - price seems to be creeping closer to $30. If under $25, it's a great find. Very... unique. Not amazing, but interesting and worth a try.There's really not a "bad" rye that I've tried (OK, maybe Old Potero's pre-prohibition formula, I didn't enjoy it even a little), but from Wasmunds to Grand Traverse's Old George to Templeton and Jim Beam, the values vary quite a bit and some are much better than others, but I've got no regrets so far!

OscarV
04-13-2011, 13:43
WT Rye on the rocks, can't beat it, well maybe a THHandy neat.

cigarnv
04-13-2011, 14:17
WT Rye 101 ..... IMO would beat most in a blind taste test....

Rughi
04-13-2011, 17:01
WT Rye 101 ..... IMO would beat most in a blind taste test....

Ya know... We should try that someday ;)

Brisko
04-25-2011, 12:05
Earlier, in regards to Beam, I wrote: Really the only other cheap rye I can find consistently here is Overholt and I'm not a huge fan.

Now I hadn't had Overholt in quite some time, so it's possible that the profile has changed (or, more likely, my palate has changed). Anyway, I picked up a bottle for the heck of it this weekend. To my nose and tongue it is virtually indistinguishable from Beam. Even the legs in the glass are the same. Now the Overholt was a tad more spirity but I attribute that to being a new bottle (the Beam is a couple weeks old and about half gone). When I cut them both down to about 20% I could find no differences between them.

I figured that due to economics Beam probably uses the same distillate for both brands; however I also guessed that they might aim for different profiles through barrel selection. Apparently not. And that's okay with me, given the price tags.

Granted, I don't think I have the world's most advanced nose or palate, but even my wife (not a whiskey drinker) couldn't tell the difference on the nose. I didn't color her opinion, all I asked her to do was compare and contrast and she apologized that she couldn't tell them apart.

Anybody agree or disagree?

OscarV
04-25-2011, 12:22
Anybody agree or disagree?


I agree 100%.
The only difference between Old Overholt and Jim Beam Rye is the bottle.
It's the same nasty oily crap in both bottles.

cigarnv
04-25-2011, 12:22
Ya know... We should try that someday ;)

I also gather WT 101 Rye is the official whiskey of the 2011 HamQuest Challenge.... :grin:

callmeox
04-25-2011, 12:35
WT Rye 101 ..... IMO would beat most in a blind taste test....

I am certain that I could pick it out as it burns the heck out of my throat. I don't find the WT rye to be drinkable whatsoever.

YMMV

DeanSheen
04-25-2011, 13:12
It's the same nasty oily crap in both bottles.

Oily Crap. That is exactly the mouth feel I get out of OO.

I bought one bottle once and gave 5/6th of it away. I should have just dumped it but I had a friend of a friend that I knew liked it.

RITT FTW!

wine65
04-25-2011, 19:47
Had an impromptu rye tasting with 2 flights. First $20 range Ritt BIB and WT 101. Second Michters 10 year and VWFRR. The Ritt wins out over the WT for me based on liking it's richness more, nice spice to the WT. Of note I dislike the pine nose of a newly opened Ritt BIB but dissipates with air. The Michters and Van Winkle were really close perhaps the Van Winkle slightly deeper and Michters with slightly more high notes. I would not be able to tell them apart if not tasting together. In as expected flight 2 richer than 1 but so is the price. Not a bad rye in the bunch.

timd
04-26-2011, 10:45
Oily Crap. That is exactly the mouth feel I get out of OO.

I call it Old Overcoat - tastes like a wet, rubbery overcoat smells - but not in a terrible way. Just like ash, peat & whatnot are OK in Scotch, this odor for OO isn't foul, just kind of unique.

FWIW: I find Beam to be very watery & thin. Given the choice, I tend to avoid both OO & Beam Ryes, but I'd opt for OO over than Beam. They are just OK and for a few dollars more to be able to get Ritt BIB (even non BIB) or WT - and down here RR Rye is only $24, I'm more than happy to pop the few extra dollars and REALLY enjoy what I'm drinking. Even some low-cost, high-righ Bourbons satisfy my Rye needs more than OO & Beam can...

Beam & OO definitely taste like budget Ryes - there's no hidden value there like with some cheaper Bourbons that blow me away for $15 a bottle.

roostercogburn
04-27-2011, 21:54
I don't mind the mouthfeel of the Overcoat, and the taste, while thin, was balanced enough for me to keep shelling out a whole $12 to replace empties. In the past couple months, however, the finish is really turning me off of this stuff: too moldy, and it overstays its welcome. Maybe I've just been drinking too much of the Rittenhouse bond, which as several have mentioned, makes OO taste decidedly cheap in comparison.

Brisko
04-28-2011, 07:55
I don't mind Beam or Overcoat, either... but if I could get Rittenhouse consistently I wouldn't bother with them. And there's always the Turkey.

The real draw of Beam Rye is that my neighborhood store stocks it, and I try to do business there when I can (not that often).

OO is $10 a fifth, and it's definitely worth that, even just to mix with coke or ginger ale on a hot day.

Shell
05-05-2011, 08:29
...

This thread has convinced me that I need to try Pikesville. ....

Pikesville Rye is a great value and a clean, crisp, smooth rye. Unfortunately, it is available (according to Heaven Hill Distilleries) only in DC, MD, and TN. I have seen it available at some internet sites base in CA as well as Europe.

Per Heaven Hill's response to my e-mail: Due to great demand for their Rye Whiskey, they are having difficulty meeting demands from existing markets and Pikesville is on allocation. They are not considering expanding to new markets (like MI where I am located).

I drive through MD some 2 to 3 times per year and I always stop at a MD liquor store. Pikesville can be found for $11-$13 for a 750 ml bottle and $16-$20 for a 1L bottle.

(One follow up note: Heaven Hill suggested their Rittenhouse Rye 80 proof which is the same age, proof and recipe as Pikesville. Unfortunately, is even harder to find. Chicago's Binny's (www.binnys.com) has it for in-store sales only. Does this mean that the Rittenhouse Rye 100 proof is the same recipe, only a higher proof?)

White Dog
05-06-2011, 10:00
Pikesville Rye is a great value and a clean, crisp, smooth rye. Unfortunately, it is available (according to Heaven Hill Distilleries) only in DC, MD, and TN. I have seen it available at some internet sites base in CA as well as Europe.

Per Heaven Hill's response to my e-mail: Due to great demand for their Rye Whiskey, they are having difficulty meeting demands from existing markets and Pikesville is on allocation. They are not considering expanding to new markets (like MI where I am located).

I drive through MD some 2 to 3 times per year and I always stop at a MD liquor store. Pikesville can be found for $11-$13 for a 750 ml bottle and $16-$20 for a 1L bottle.

(One follow up note: Heaven Hill suggested their Rittenhouse Rye 80 proof which is the same age, proof and recipe as Pikesville. Unfortunately, is even harder to find. Chicago's Binny's (www.binnys.com) has it for in-store sales only. Does this mean that the Rittenhouse Rye 100 proof is the same recipe, only a higher proof?)

Yeah, the only difference between Ritt 80 and Ritt BIB is proof, as far as I know. Also, the Ritt 80 is a NAS, while Pikesville is actually a 3yr. And the HH's Steven Foster Rye is an 80pr at 30 months age, if you can find that one. In any event, it's all the same recipe and they're actually distilled at Brown-Forman (DSP-354) under contract for HH.

Shell
05-06-2011, 10:11
Yeah, the only difference between Ritt 80 and Ritt BIB is proof, as far as I know. Also, the Ritt 80 is a NAS, while Pikesville is actually a 3yr. And the HH's Steven Foster Rye is an 80pr at 30 months age, if you can find that one. In any event, it's all the same recipe and they're actually distilled at Brown-Forman (DSP-354) under contract for HH.

And, according to Heaven Hill's e-mail, Pikesville Rye used to be aged 4 yrs. but was changed to 3 yrs because of the increased demand (but they kept Rittenhouse Rye's age at 4 yrs.) (And, Heaven Hill admitted that their Rittenhouse Rye 80 pr is the same age/proof/recipe as Pikesville Rye.) (And, it's likely that the Steven Foster Rye may just be a different label on the Rittenhouse Rye 80 proof.)

cowdery
05-06-2011, 13:16
Heaven Hill has been making its own rye whiskey since the expansion at Bernheim was completed, so that's about two years. Everything in stores now is still DSP 354, but it won't be long for the younger ones.

Since Ritt BIB is BIB, it has to be all from one season's production. No such rule for the 80, so it may actually be a different profile, i.e., not just the BIB diluted.

HRay
11-13-2011, 14:41
Heaven Hill has been making its own rye whiskey since the expansion at Bernheim was completed, so that's about two years. Everything in stores now is still DSP 354, but it won't be long for the younger ones.

Since Ritt BIB is BIB, it has to be all from one season's production. No such rule for the 80, so it may actually be a different profile, i.e., not just the BIB diluted.

Chuck,
So we could be seeing Ritt 80 and Pikesville distilled at Bernheim sometime this year? I guess we have until 2013 until the Ritt BIB is no longer from DSP 354? I think I need to stock up on the Ritt BIB while I can in case it ends up tasting different from Bernheim. I can only get Pikesville when I go to TN and then I stock up.

yountvillewjs
11-21-2011, 19:26
This is a great thread. Thank you all.

mrviognier
11-22-2011, 14:27
My choices?:

<$20: Wild Turkey, Rittenhouse

$20-$30: Baby Saz, High West Double Rye!

$30-$50: Jefferson's 10 Year, High West Rendezvous, Van Winkle Family Reserve

SPLURGE: Handy, High West 21, Rittenhouse 23

stiffchainey
11-22-2011, 15:13
I purchased:

Jim Beam Rye for 15

Pikeson Rye for 20

Bulleit Rye for 18

I guess, in dollar it is sligthly less.

Ejmharris
12-02-2011, 13:01
Found a store today with 5 bottles of Handy at $97. Sorry if this post beaks any rules on pricing, but it is my first time finding anything in that caliber. Worth the price? Most of the other posts I have seen has it listed in the 60-80 range. Btw, they did have a Pappy 23 for $350. That as out of my range for sure.


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Brisko
12-02-2011, 13:19
I wouldn't buy it at that price. There is a fair amount of it around, in fact I'm pretty sure there is some of last year's still on the shelf here in the Twin Cities.

I have enough trouble justifying $70 for a six-year-old, even if it is unfiltered/uncut.

Especially given that you could run across the river to the Party Source and get the Abraham Bowman Rye for $72 and from the same source, but 10 years old, if memory serves.

timd
12-02-2011, 13:22
Found a store today with 5 bottles of Handy at $97.

Waaaay too high - most I've ever seen is $80. I'm OK around $65-$70.

As noted above, that's already steep for a 6 year old Rye - even if it tastes amazing (I love this BTAC expression - it's my personal favorite!)

Ejmharris
12-02-2011, 19:00
Briskly an Timd thanks for helping out the FNG. I am new to some of these brands but read a lot about the BTAC stuff and was happy when I finally ran across one. I figured it was way too high but was still tempted. I spent most of the afternoon running through Newport, Covington and southeastern Indiana trying to find either a younger PVW or something from the BTAC collection. Glad I resisted. I assume that is why they still had 5 bottles on the shelf. I did run across a Ritt 21 that tempted me as well. I think I hit 16 stores in all today. Ended up with a Ritt BIB, Weller 12, Weller antique and an Ezra B 12. Not quite the score I was looking for, but glad I got some things I have never tried before.


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Special Reserve
12-03-2011, 04:28
"Rye Value - What's the best pour under X"

Where X = Sun

Result = PVWFRR

Zanaspus
12-16-2011, 06:11
As a brand new rye lover, I can't believe Bulleit gets no love. If there's lots of bottles better than that in a reasonable (<$60) price range I may just end up never buying anything but rye whiskey!

STLbourbon
12-16-2011, 07:42
I recently discovered the Bulleit at a local jazz bar. Ordered one neat, loved it, ordered a second. Bought a bottle the next day for about $22. I really enjoy that stuff. Then last week I tried again with Rittenhouse BIB and found a wonderful tasting bottle for $18.99. Where the Bulleit is perhaps less complex, it's more ALL-rye tasting and very sippable and enjoyable, the Rittenhouse is more complex, more full bodied, very strong rye, but has more of a bourbon experience going on as well, which I QUITE enjoy. Both of these seem to present the "rye" flavor in a similar way, but the Ritt has more other stuff going on that I think I enjoy a bit more. But man, the Bulleit is very tasty and pleasant stuff, highly recommended.

I hope to dive into some of this High West stuff soon and see what that's all about. But for affordable and very good ryes, I think Bulleit and Rittenhouse are top choices for sure.

STLb

Shell
12-16-2011, 09:16
As a brand new rye lover, I can't believe Bulleit gets no love. If there's lots of bottles better than that in a reasonable (<$60) price range I may just end up never buying anything but rye whiskey!

I love Bulleit Rye - it has become my 'go to' rye of late. It has a plenty of character and I enjoy it both neat and in a Manhattan. And at $25 for a 750ml bottle (& $33 for a 1L bottle), here in MI, it is a great value. (And many others also find it to be very good.)

Shell
12-16-2011, 09:24
... I hope to dive into some of this High West stuff soon and see what that's all about. But for affordable and very good ryes, I think Bulleit and Rittenhouse are top choices for sure.

STLb

High West Rendezvous Rye is EXCELLENT, and Templeton Rye is very good. But at ~$50 for the High West / ~$40 for Templeton, they are not in the under $30 category. Unfortunately, they are not available here in MI and find that I'm out of both. I've heard great things about some of the other High West ryes (such as the Double Rye) and hope to snag some on a future out of state trip.

White Dog
12-16-2011, 09:40
High West Rendezvous Rye is EXCELLENT, and Templeton Rye is very good. But at ~$50 for the High West / ~$40 for Templeton, they are not in the under $30 category. Unfortunately, they are not available here in MI and find that I'm out of both. I've heard great things about some of the other High West ryes (such as the Double Rye) and hope to snag some on a future out of state trip.

Templeton Rye is the same LDI juice that Bulleit is, and Bulleit is higher in proof, yet Templeton is higher in price.

cowdery
12-16-2011, 12:00
Bulleit is still pretty new, just released this year, so I don't think it's lacking in love, just people haven't gotten to it yet.

Redemption Rye is the same stuff too, though a bit younger.

I wonder if the jig may finally be up for Templeton.

timd
12-16-2011, 12:53
Redemption Rye is the same stuff too, though a bit younger.

I have long been under the impression that Templeton was the OLDEST of the LDI branded Ryes - that Redemption was the youngest, Bulleit in the middle, and Templeton was the oldest?

Is that not correct?

Shell
12-16-2011, 16:15
I love Bulleit Rye - it has become my 'go to' rye of late. ...

Sazerac Rye (no age statement) would be my 'go-to' rye. However, I dip into my Sazerac Rye on hand very sparingly - since it's in limited supply, and the retail liquor stores (here in MI) only have a few available bottles roughly twice per year.

timd
12-16-2011, 16:49
Sazerac Rye (no age statement) would be my 'go-to' rye.

I couldn't choose between:

WTR 101
Ritt BIB
Saz Jr
Bulleit Rye

All are unique and enjoyable as under $25 bottles go (hard to get below $25 with baby Saz, though). Heck, I often get Ritt, Turkey & Bulleit under $20.

And I'd choose them over a huge number of $30+ Bourbons, quite happily (and I do!).

White Dog
12-16-2011, 16:59
I have long been under the impression that Templeton was the OLDEST of the LDI branded Ryes - that Redemption was the youngest, Bulleit in the middle, and Templeton was the oldest?

Is that not correct?

Why are you under that impression? Was it something Scott Bush said?:rolleyes: Both Bulleit and Templeton are NAS, and they both claim 5, but taste like 4. Redemption lists 2, and Willett lists age, be it 2, 3, or 4 depending on the bottling.

timd
12-16-2011, 17:09
Why are you under that impression? Was it something Scott Bush said?:rolleyes: Both Bulleit and Templeton are NAS, and they both claim 5, but taste like 4. Redemption lists 2, and Willett lists age, be it 2, 3, or 4 depending on the bottling.
I recall at a Binny's tasting - maybe 2 years ago in Chicago that the rep told me that Templeton was 6 years+...

I believe Bulleit to be 4-5, and as you note Redemption is 2 years young.

I also think the Templeton tastes a bit more mature than the others - but could just be price-tag pyschology (since it's a $35-$40 bottle when you can actually find it anywhere...).

White Dog
12-16-2011, 17:24
I recall at a Binny's tasting - maybe 2 years ago in Chicago that the rep told me that Templeton was 6 years+...

I believe Bulleit to be 4-5, and as you note Redemption is 2 years young.

I also think the Templeton tastes a bit more mature than the others - but could just be price-tag pyschology (since it's a $35-$40 bottle when you can actually find it anywhere...).

The funny thing is that the Willett tastes the oldest to me, but that may be due to the proof??:skep: It just tastes really resolved.

timd
12-16-2011, 17:41
The funny thing is that the Willett tastes the oldest to me, but that may be due to the proof??:skep: It just tastes really resolved.

Well, that seals it - we'll just have to setup some place between Dallas & Wisconsin to meet and taste all these various ryes in one sitting and make our decision about what's-what that way!

Everybody just grab a bottle or two of Rye and head for somewhere in the middle of the country (mid-points probably St. Louis or KC).

awachatz
12-16-2011, 18:01
For the money, the best rye I have had under $20 a bottle is Rittenhouse rye BIB. Surprisingly good based on how cheap the sales price is.

White Dog
12-16-2011, 18:04
Well, that seals it - we'll just have to setup some place between Dallas & Wisconsin to meet and taste all these various ryes in one sitting and make our decision about what's-what that way!

Everybody just grab a bottle or two of Rye and head for somewhere in the middle of the country (mid-points probably St. Louis or KC).

Hell, just get on a plane. All these bottles are in my basement.:cool:

cowdery
12-18-2011, 17:39
White Dog is right and, Tim, haven't we taught you better than to listen to producer reps?

The first batch of Templeton tasted like it could have been six years or older. I haven't had any recently but I know LDI has long since run out of older whiskey to sell. Both Templeton and Bulleit are at least four years and that's all we can say from sure. If one of them is older than that, I would guess it's the Bulleit. Diageo is, after all, Diageo. Both are probably buying mostly new make at this point since that's about all that's available. Diageo is paying LDI to age it for them while Templeton is taking it back to Iowa to age there. Diageo, being Diageo, can afford to keep aging it until it's ready, whereas Templeton is under heavy demand pressure from the Iowa ABC and is probably bottling everything they have the day it turns legal.

timd
12-18-2011, 18:22
White Dog is right and, Tim, haven't we taught you better than to listen to producer reps?

The first batch of Templeton tasted like it could have been six years or older. I haven't had any recently but I know LDI has long since run out of older whiskey to sell.

In my defense, this was 2 years ago - so perhaps it was still older when I tasted it then? And I've still got an unopened bottle from that time... it was an older bottle Joe pulled out of the basement for me at Binny's, so could make for an interesting taste-off against Bulleit?

Just to me, in my memory, I recall it tasting more mature than Bulleit does now... not that I don't like Bulleit, it's plenty good enough for around $20 - I try to keep a bottle on hand for when I'm hankering for a good mouthwash :yum:!

Any D/FW SBers want to do a Rye-off over the holidays? Just let me know!

Flyfish
04-05-2012, 10:16
Has anyone tried, or even seen, OGD rye? Is it the same juice as OO or JB? Or, because OGD bourbon is so high rye, would there be any point in an OGD rye in the first place?

p_elliott
04-06-2012, 22:10
Has anyone tried, or even seen, OGD rye? Is it the same juice as OO or JB? Or, because OGD bourbon is so high rye, would there be any point in an OGD rye in the first place?

Never heard of it ????? I don't think it exist

BFerguson
04-08-2012, 14:35
Low-Rit BIB. Not sure any other bottle comes close.

Mid-Willett 4 or 5yr rye. Hands down this beats anything in the mid range. Generally I can pick it up for around $30.

High-VWFRR, Ritt 21-25yr, and HW 21yr. All magnificent specimens in their own respects. And all quite different.

B

shoshani
04-28-2012, 21:55
Has anyone tried, or even seen, OGD rye? Is it the same juice as OO or JB? Or, because OGD bourbon is so high rye, would there be any point in an OGD rye in the first place?

I don't think such a thing exists, but if it did there would be room. OGD is high rye, but like 30% rye if that. Any rye whiskey has to be at least 51% rye, so n OGD rye would have even more rye character.

The idea of an OGD rye isn't anythig new, by the way. Before Prohibition, Old Fitzgerald had a rye as well as a bourbon (this was Herbst Fitz, which wasn't wheated); before and slightly after Prohibition, Old Crow was sold in both bourbon and rye. I don't know whether these Kentucky distilleries made their own rye, or whether they bought it in from PA or MD and bottled it themselves.