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cowdery
01-10-2011, 01:39
I have no interest in pointing fingers at anyone but I have been shocked at how ill-informed some of the discussions are on this board. I don't blame the people who I know know better for not jumping in because we all get tired of debunking the same myths and misconceptions, and correcting the same factual mistakes. I suggest that many participants here would be well served by reading and watching, and certainly writing and recording, fewer blogs and podcasts, and perhaps even making fewer posts here, that all seem to recycle the same ignorance. Instead read a book, or WHISKY Magazine, or Malt Advocate, or The Bourbon Country Reader (http://cowdery.home.netcom.com/page9.html). I hate to say it, but the web alone will not make you a knowledgable whiskey enthusiast (assuming you want to be). Either the answers aren't there or it's just a bitch to find them amidst all the crap. Too much talking, not enough learning. And don't play ball on my lawn.

dmarkle
01-10-2011, 05:15
So one of my favorite pages on the inter-tubes is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_common_misconceptions

I laughed out loud when I saw that Wikipedia actually had it. Perhaps it's high time to come up with a SB.com Grand List of Common Bourbon Misconceptions.

Josh
01-10-2011, 05:46
I'll be the first to admit I've been guilty of what Chuck is talking about on multiple occasions, as recently as yesterday.

There's a learning curve for everybody. The key, I think, is knowing what you do and don't know and being humble enough to admit when you're wrong.

T Comp
01-10-2011, 06:47
A sticky perhaps? I will add that the search function works back to 1999.

p_elliott
01-10-2011, 09:08
I too think I have my facts in a row only to find out later that I might have been off a LITTLE. :rolleyes: But I am not one afraid to ask stupid questions the only question is is Chuck getting tired of answering them? :skep:

sku
01-10-2011, 10:54
This post reminds me, I found an old half-drunk bottle of Hiram Walker's Blended Whiskey in my grandpappy's attic which I would like to sell, hopefully for thousands of dollars. Is it still good? What is it worth?

I assume it is from Kentucky since all Bourbon must be made in Kentucky and/or Kentucky is the only state can have its name on the label. It also states that it is "sour mash" which means that lemons were added as part of the Lincoln County Process.

If you have a bid on this priceless Bourbon, please let me know.

squire
01-10-2011, 11:09
Our of my price range sku but I sure would like to sample it. I mean, older is better, right?

flintlock
01-10-2011, 11:42
Some general thoughts:

I'm new to bourbon, and new to this site. I knew, coming in, that I would ask a lot of beginner questions, but using the search function I tried to keep them to a minimum. I try to keep my eyes open and my posts to a minimum unless I have something useful to say or can't find the answer. A lot of the information is very hard to search for because everyone uses a different abbreviation, and names are seldom spelled out. Elmer T. Lee could be ETL or ETLee or E.T. Lee or ETL15 or ETL 15. Now multiply this times at least 100 bourbons. That's one issue.

All sites have to deal with people who only want information on what their "thing" (motorcycle, wristwatch, Hummel figurine...you name it) is worth. It's part of being a public internet site.

If SB wants to keep the noise to bandwidth ratio as good as possible it either needs to do a better job of education (FAQ's, photos of dusties with historical information, etc.) or it needs make the walls a little higher. I think the best way to do this is with a minimum post count to post in certain forums (collector's corner would be a good place to wall off, for instance). I've seen this work very well on several other forums that have a tremendous potential for bad behavior, namely Toyota Land Cruisers and men's style and fashion. Both of the major websites that deal with these topics have sections of the site that are off limits to the "just joined" crowd. Set the bar at whatever minimum the owner and mods think is appropriate. 10, 50, 100...whatever.

What Chuck says is true, but even among enthusiasts there are all levels of expertise, and there are always going to be repetitive simple questions. Maybe a better bourbon history section would be good. Also, you might consider kicking a member off if they don't post (X) number of times a year. Lurkers who only want to poach dusties would have to rejoin frequently. Many "members" here joined in 2003 and posted once. They're either lurking or they've moved on - either way they need to be prodded by making them go through the rejoin process. It takes about 30 seconds.

And last: The general air of respect that reigns here (and if you don't think SB is gentlemanly and respectful, I kindly direct your attention to the other 99.9% of internet forums...) makes it harder for the more outspoken members to "enforce" good behavior. On other forums there is always a group of funny, brutal, wise cracking old timers who enjoy busting on new people who don't use the search function for basic questions, or who try to sell something they found in the attic, or point you incessantly to their blog, or link you to their ebay auction. It can make the atmosphere somewhat ruder and more "wild west", (it also provides most of the humor...) but it is effective at keeping people between the ditches so to speak.

For what it's worth...

barturtle
01-10-2011, 11:59
If SB wants to keep the noise to bandwidth ratio as good as possible

It should be noted that the complaint is not from SB, and even though the poster happens to be SB's most prolific, it still isn't "his lawn"

nivto
01-10-2011, 12:09
Those are all good points, flintlock, but it seems like the main gripe here has more to do with people entering into discussions ignorant of the facts and offering up inaccurate information about the topic at hand.

bvscfanatic
01-10-2011, 12:40
It should be noted that the complaint is not from SB, and even though the poster happens to be SB's most prolific, it still isn't "his lawn"

Thank you, Tim. Pretty much my thoughts too.

cowdery
01-10-2011, 12:50
The 'my lawn' comment was intended as an acknowledgment that I sound like a grumpy old man. I didn't think it might be taken as proprietary.

Apropos of which, we all make mistakes. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about people to whom I want to say, "just because you don't know something, that doesn't make it a secret."

I value this site because it tells me what people are interested in at any given moment but I also value it for the people who are obsessive about some of the categories of knowledge I'm not so obsessive about.

Since everyone on Straightbourbon.com is a volunteer, making the site more of an encyclopedia is unlikely.

Yes, this is one of the friendliest and most generous places on the web.

Mainly I'm suggesting that if one hasn't read any books about American whiskey, and doesn't get any of the major publications (I would add Paul Pacult's Spirits Journal to the ones already mentioned), then there is a very good chance one doesn't know as much as one thinks one does, and probably should comment less frequently. This problem has increased with the rise of American whiskey conversation in social media generally, most of which is ingnorant and of little value.

I'd like to think I have enough credibilty here to point this out in a polite way in the hope that perhaps people who come here having acquired most of their information from social media will realize there are other, much more credible sources of information, and thereby learn to recognize the difference.

And, yes, this is just the personal opinion of a contributor, who is in fact a grumpy old man. Straightbourbon.com is not my site. I'm not even a moderator, just a contributor, and that's the way I want it.

flintlock
01-10-2011, 12:51
It should be noted that the complaint is not from SB,

You're correct - I misspoke. Sorry.

darkluna
01-10-2011, 13:42
I read it on the inter-web so it must be true. The only subscription I have is to Modern Jackass (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=modern+jackass).

My favorite line from that show: "I always throught quesadilla meant "What's the dealio?" in Spanish"

doubleblank
01-10-2011, 15:08
I get all my alcohol related poop from Modern Drunkard magazine and website. I make my beer buying decisions based on comments in the "Best Cheap Beer" forum topic.

Randy

barturtle
01-10-2011, 15:38
While I appreciate the value of well informed discussion, I'd be hesitant to create a manifesto in favor of them. Much like the former battle cry of "use the search function" (which (http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=157762&postcount=14) I'm (http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=209273&postcount=154) guilty (http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=169525&postcount=7) of (http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=115031&postcount=3) too (http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=92906&postcount=2)), they tend to inhibit newcomers from joining the conversation.

Sometimes ill-informed questions or statements can lead to a very informative discussions that can lead to new ways of thinking about the subject matter.

Statements such these against ill-informed discussions, especially when put out there by long-time members, mods, "post-count gurus", and published authors, can carry much more weight than they are worthy of, to sometimes timid newcomers to the board.

And I'm just a cranky old barturtle.

CorvallisCracker
01-10-2011, 16:11
So one of my favorite pages on the inter-tubes is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_common_misconceptions

I laughed out loud when I saw that Wikipedia actually had it. Perhaps it's high time to come up with a SB.com Grand List of Common Bourbon Misconceptions.

Good list, although they missed the one about Irish whiskey NOT being made from potatoes. A surprising number of people believe that. I've also found that at least half the people I've met think all vodka is made from potatoes.

MarkEdwards
01-10-2011, 16:15
I value this site because it tells me what people are interested in at any given moment but I also value it for the people who are obsessive about some of the categories of knowledge I'm not so obsessive about.

Since everyone on Straightbourbon.com is a volunteer, making the site more of an encyclopedia is unlikely.

Ooh, there's a thought - is it time yet for a 'WhiskiPedia'? Maybe even a 'WhiskiLeaks' site for all the secrets and rumors?

I see a great need (grin).

sku
01-10-2011, 16:31
Ooh, there's a thought - is it time yet for a 'WhiskiPedia'? Maybe even a 'WhiskiLeaks' site for all the secrets and rumors?

I see a great need (grin).

There actually was a Whiskypedia site put together a few years ago by Ian Buxton, but it didn't go anywhere (had a nice logo though).

http://blog.youwinemotion.tv/public/whiskypedia-logo.jpg

B.B. Babington
01-10-2011, 16:33
...The key...is knowing what you do and don't know and being humble enough to admit when you're wrong.

There's two points that's hard for a lot of people. First, one has to know a good bit before they realize they don't know it all. Second, so many people hate being wrong, I, however, am used to it.

I've seen the same scenario in a zillion forums. Since this is an open forum, there's going to be lots of folks that sip a little whiskey at a party last night and drop by to learn more, and they can't help but brag about that super fine bottle they had that cost a whopping $15.

Some forums handle it differently. Several forums I visit are totally closed to new members. One forum I used to use cost $1000/year to be a member. Some forums have a lengthy Q&A process before accepting new members. There's different ways to handle it to make it exclusive. But is exclusive a good idea? Lots of the folks that drop in for a quick note may have found something really interesting to tell.

pepcycle
01-10-2011, 16:48
Time for a hopeless kibitzer to get involved.

1. Timothy: Your're not old

2. Chuck: You don't even have a lawn (literally)

3. I've never let the facts or truth interfere with a good thread

4. No one has to read or respond to a thread. Ignoring dumb threads is a sure way to curtail dumbidity

5. Conscience Dreaming is the monetary solution to grammar control of literacy

callmeox
01-10-2011, 16:51
I'll be the first to admit I've been guilty of what Chuck is talking about on multiple occasions, as recently as yesterday.

There's a learning curve for everybody. The key, I think, is knowing what you do and don't know and being humble enough to admit when you're wrong.


I agree wholeheartedly that Josh is a veritable cornucopia of misinformation.

With that said, if you didn't understand Chuck's lawn remark you need to get out on the internet more. :grin:

kickert
01-10-2011, 16:51
There actually was a Whiskypedia site put together a few years ago by Ian Buxton, but it didn't go anywhere (had a nice logo though).

http://blog.youwinemotion.tv/public/whiskypedia-logo.jpg

I knew that was around, but did a search for it and couldn't find anything... I guess it went under.

squire
01-10-2011, 17:09
I figured this thread would grow legs.

cowdery
01-10-2011, 17:45
To be accurate, I have a 1/84 share of a very nice lawn.

ebo
01-10-2011, 18:52
..................................

DeanSheen
01-10-2011, 20:35
I think often the social media folks are given far too much leeway here.

Damn kids, get off my lawn!

White Dog
01-11-2011, 08:18
Chuck started this thread at 3:39AM. I don't know about the rest of you, but I always post grumpy when it's that late and I'm all hopped up on OGD 114. :lol: :lol: :lol:

dbk
01-11-2011, 08:42
If I understand Chuck's original post, I think it was less about "dumb questions" and more about "thoughtless rumormongering and ignorant speculation," such as the stuff inspiring this (http://chuckcowdery.blogspot.com/2010/12/absence-of-news-about-fortune-brands.html) blog post. As a newbie, I didn't feel like it was directed at me. I'm sure there are plenty of newbies like me who have posted stupid questions without having done the proper research first—and I hope that I'm not already guilty of having done so myself—but I suspect that Chuck's target is something more pernicious.

pepcycle
01-11-2011, 09:17
I concede on the Chuck's lawn thing.

Didn't realize you were condo/townhouse.

How come Timothy didn't bite on my troll. (Yes, you're cranky, but not that old)

To get back on topic, I too share a feeling of dismay when I or someone else posts misinformation.

I feel like I'm a part of this community and it REPRESENTS ME in exchange.

I tell folks about it and defend its independence and atmosphere.

I do feel a bit of responsibility to shepherd those that wonder and "keep them honest" by challenging or at least questioning misinformation.

The beauty of this site is how naturally that occurs and how those that respond to coaching take guidance.

Occasionally, the fiercely independent tread too heavily and they get booted. Its rare but part of the deal. More often than not, truth prevails and we take our lumps.

We don't have to agree on how this happens, but accept that it does.

Thanks Jim, Moderators and contributors.

I take no offense when a post of mine disappears. In retrospect, the balance is there.
I appreciate a PM indicating that I may be too big for my britches on subject matter that I'm not well versed in.

I encourage feedback in a discreet manner at first, more forceful when needed and outright frank when deserved.

barturtle
01-11-2011, 09:27
How come Timothy didn't bite on my troll. (Yes, you're cranky, but not that old)


Because I like being called "not old":grin:...Had someone guess I was 27 the other day, made my entire weekend.:slappin:

cowdery
01-11-2011, 11:27
My complaint never was about dumb questions. It is about dumb answers. In many cases people speculate wildly about something, as if it's a big mystery, when they could have found the actual answer with a little bit of research.

As I say in the introduction to my book, alcohol is like sex in that most of what people know about it they learn informally -- on the street -- and most of it is wrong. This occurs because the more formal channels -- parents, schools, media -- tend to lie about both subjects. When people realize this they find themselves skeptical about any information on either subject that's provided by authorities and similarly tend to trust the informal channels. The informal channels don't deliberately misrepresent but they tend to be dominated by myth and ill-informed speculation, so they are equally as unreliable.

As we get older we are able to rely more on personal experience but until then we are mired in ignorance. At least as regards American Whiskey, this site tends to be a good place to get reliable information, despite it being an informal channel, but I worry its fragile utility will be overwelmed by a massive influx of ill-informed instant experts.

And as for my lawn, it is now covered in snow. Metaphor?

callmeox
01-11-2011, 12:05
For the ill informed, would they be A Lyin' in Winter?

cowdery
01-11-2011, 16:03
My lawn, earlier today.

OscarV
01-11-2011, 16:17
And your Christmas lights are still up?!?!?!?!?
OK, ballgame on Chuck's lawn!

craigthom
01-11-2011, 17:45
I read it on the inter-web so it must be true. The only subscription I have is to Modern Jackass (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=modern+jackass).

My favorite line from that show: "I always throught quesadilla meant "What's the dealio?" in Spanish"

Then I've got you beat. I got my knowledge straight from the horses' mouths, during distillery tours. Everything they say is true, right?

Josh
01-11-2011, 18:09
I agree wholeheartedly that Josh is a veritable cornucopia of misinformation.

With that said, if you didn't understand Chuck's lawn remark you need to get out on the internet more. :grin:

On a completely unrelated note, I learned something new today. Everyone knows how, under International law, Kentucky is the only state allowed to have its name on a bottle of bourbon. But then how can Virginia Gentleman, a new bourbon from Buffalo Trace, have a different state's name on the label?

Well, because Bourbon County was orginally a county of the state of Virginia, VG was grandfathered into the treaty. True story!

cowdery
01-11-2011, 18:41
That's cool. I just heard about this great little distillery in Templeton, Iowa, that was started by Al Capone and has a system for making ten-year-old whiskey in about 15 minutes.

Hawg73
01-11-2011, 18:57
But, I thought bourbon......oh, I see what you did there. Heh heh.

wripvanwrinkle
01-11-2011, 20:38
On a completely unrelated note, I learned something new today. Everyone knows how, under International law, Kentucky is the only state allowed to have its name on a bottle of bourbon. But then how can Virginia Gentleman, a new bourbon from Buffalo Trace, have a different state's name on the label?

Well, because Bourbon County was orginally a county of the state of Virginia, VG was grandfathered into the treaty. True story!

You see Josh, this is exactly the kind of misinformation that Chuck is talking about. It is well known that Bourbon County was carried out of Virginia into the Appalachians during the Whiskey Rebelion. In retaliation, George Washington genetically modified their native rye grain into corn.

Brisko
01-12-2011, 07:31
In all seriousness-- and as a newcomer, I don't think this problem is limited to SB. I spend a lot of time at a music-related forum, where the membership ranges from established pro musicians down to high school kids. And, for every "dumb" question, there seem to be at least one or two people willing to jump in with information that is misleading at best, and just plain wrong at worst.

And we've been having a very similar discussion to this one about twice a year for the past several.

For what it's worth, though, the site admins have worked hard to make the search function more useful-- and it seems that the typical "noob questions" have slowed down a lot. SB's search function is not bad, but it helps to know what to search for. Sometimes a noobie won't even have a good idea of where to start.

CorvallisCracker
01-12-2011, 10:26
For the ill informed, would they be A Lyin' in Winter?

Only if he was named Henry and claimed his wife had been doin' him wrong.

sku
01-12-2011, 11:19
By the way, if you want a fun way to kill a few minutes, go to one of the wikki Q&A sites like Yahoo Answers and do a search on whiskey or bourbon. Both questions and answers are filled with hilarity.

cowdery
01-12-2011, 22:31
Some people seem to actively reject accurate information, like they have an immunity to it.

The Boozer
01-13-2011, 10:28
Some people seem to actively reject accurate information, like they have an immunity to it.

Its called "one cannot educate the truly stupid".

TNbourbon
01-13-2011, 13:04
My lawn, earlier today.
Mine earlier this week -- and I'm in southern Tennessee!:shocked: :eek: :
11758 11759

(Off-topic -- but Chuck started it!)

cowdery
01-13-2011, 16:38
I need to move because, snow or no, I like your view better than mine.

flintlock
01-13-2011, 19:43
Some people seem to actively reject accurate information, like they have an immunity to it.

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened."
- Winston Churchill

squire
01-16-2011, 11:22
Facts are stubborn things.

TNbourbon
01-16-2011, 20:20
I need to move because, snow or no, I like your view better than mine.
Thanks, Chuck. Unfortunately, I bought just before the bottom fell out of the home-sales market. Still, I got an interest rate equivalent to what my parents paid 50 years before, a payment I can afford, and a location I'll want to reside in the rest of my life -- so resale value doesn't really matter!
Please come visit when you can.

imbibehour
01-18-2011, 08:09
I have no interest in pointing fingers at anyone but I have been shocked at how ill-informed some of the discussions are on this board. I don't blame the people who I know know better for not jumping in because we all get tired of debunking the same myths and misconceptions, and correcting the same factual mistakes. I suggest that many participants here would be well served by reading and watching, and certainly writing and recording, fewer blogs and podcasts, and perhaps even making fewer posts here, that all seem to recycle the same ignorance. Instead read a book, or WHISKY Magazine, or Malt Advocate, or The Bourbon Country Reader (http://cowdery.home.netcom.com/page9.html). I hate to say it, but the web alone will not make you a knowledgable whiskey enthusiast (assuming you want to be). Either the answers aren't there or it's just a bitch to find them amidst all the crap. Too much talking, not enough learning. And don't play ball on my lawn.


Well I haven't been on here in weeks so it can't be me :grin:

Actually this is a good resource here but I think there are two problems when it comes to finding factual information and part of that is site searching on forums doesn't always work, and thus you see the same posts all the time. The mods here HAVE to stick with this and just deal with the idea that people are going to post the same stuff and answer.

Secondly, and I am probably going to take some heat for this but here goes:

Kill the acronyms.

Seriously. This is one of the few forums I've been in that is just incredibly acronym dependant that I've ever seen (and I am talk about ALL Internet forums I've been in). Everyone is doing it on here.

The reason I say this is because this really makes it harder for new users to get an understanding of what is being discussed. When that happens it makes it look like this is a secret club with a special language that you can't understand. Yes you made a list, but it's a pain when I read something, then I have to go to another browser window and open it up and scroll through a list (which mind you doesn't have everything cause I am sure nobody is really maintaining it now) and find out what bourbon/whiskey people are discussing. I've managed to remember many of the acronyms on here already but if I go away and comeback, or people talk about one that I haven't heard of lately it's frustrating. Think about thatfor a brand new user how hard that might be when they sign up.

Sorry to get off topic there but I think it makes a difference in communicating and discussions.

Now on the subject, I haven't posted a bit on here but I've been busy,and when I do I look for relevant feedback. Much of it has been very helpful and not "smarmy". It actually made my Applejack video just a pinch better by adding some extra notes on a comparisonsI did recently.

kickert
01-18-2011, 08:29
Seriously. This is one of the few forums I've been in that is just incredibly acronym dependant that I've ever seen (and I am talk about ALL Internet forums I've been in). Everyone is doing it on here.


You obviously haven't gone to DaiperSwappers.com. Here is their abbreviation list:

http://www.diaperswappers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=202944

Anyway... I hear what you are saying, but I don't exactly agree. The point of SB.com (as best I can tell) is not to serve as a resource for people looking to learn about whiskey. Instead, it is a place where people come to discuss whiskey (and in the process of course they learn). The emergence of acronyms is just something that happens when people are discussing a topic.

I tend to think that is just something that comes with the territory. And while I remember having to learn a bit in order to be able to participate, I don't think SB.com is any worse than the other forums I have been a part of. The thing I think takes the most getting used to is learning first names. I have never been on a forum where so many people refer to each other by their first name instead of their handle. That can make it tough to follow along when you don't know who is talking to who, but again it is a natural emergence that has come because people here actually know each other... something I don't see as much elsewhere.

GOCOUGS2002
01-18-2011, 08:49
Kill the acronyms.

Seriously. This is one of the few forums I've been in that is just incredibly acronym dependant that I've ever seen (and I am talk about ALL Internet forums I've been in). Everyone is doing it on here.

If you think the acronyms here are bad, don't join the armed forces. There are 17,640 recognized acronyms; thats not counting all the ones we make up on a daily basis.

There is an acronym list sticky (http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/announcement.php?f=43&a=8) on the new to straightbourbon subforum; when I first joined I printed it out so I could follow the discussions, after a week I was well versed in the bourbon geek "language".

pepcycle
01-18-2011, 10:07
So, I hear we have some plumbers in the house tonight - big plumbing convention in town this week - so I thought I'd make a special joke, just for you, the plumbers, so here we go. If you're not a plumber, please sit tight, laugh along anyway, the joke is hilarious even if you don't get it. Because you're not a plumber. But if you ARE a plumber, you'll love it. So, here we go. Big plumbing joke. (deep breath) So, these two guys are working on a golf course reticulation system (chuckles) and the first guy says to his buddy 'George, I can't get this flange backed off.' Well, old George looks over and says 'Jeez Pete, you need to use a 3/4" gangly wrench on a Hobson spigot'. (snicker). Pete says 'I am, pass me yours, maybe mine's broken'. So George... (guffaw).. George passes his tool across .. (snort).. and then Pete says 'GANGLY wrench? I thought you said DANDY wrench!!'.. (paroxysms of self induced laughter)...(looks offstage as if in response to a director's cue) ... Sooooooo, folks, there's a big plumbing convention starting TOMORROW apparently...

imbibehour
01-18-2011, 19:36
If you think the acronyms here are bad, don't join the armed forces. There are 17,640 recognized acronyms; thats not counting all the ones we make up on a daily basis.


Oh I know... I worked for DOD as a contractor for many years...

ErichPryde
01-18-2011, 20:31
Sourcing the abbreviation list will seriously help. The acronyms here are pretty intense, but in my limited experience they've been just as bad elsewhere (like the Honda forum I used to frequent).

BBQ+Bourbon
01-18-2011, 21:01
Well I haven't been on here in weeks so it can't be me :grin:

Actually this is a good resource here but I think there are two problems when it comes to finding factual information and part of that is site searching on forums doesn't always work, and thus you see the same posts all the time. The mods here HAVE to stick with this and just deal with the idea that people are going to post the same stuff and answer.

Secondly, and I am probably going to take some heat for this but here goes:

Kill the acronyms.

Seriously. This is one of the few forums I've been in that is just incredibly acronym dependant that I've ever seen (and I am talk about ALL Internet forums I've been in). Everyone is doing it on here.

The reason I say this is because this really makes it harder for new users to get an understanding of what is being discussed. When that happens it makes it look like this is a secret club with a special language that you can't understand. Yes you made a list, but it's a pain when I read something, then I have to go to another browser window and open it up and scroll through a list (which mind you doesn't have everything cause I am sure nobody is really maintaining it now) and find out what bourbon/whiskey people are discussing. I've managed to remember many of the acronyms on here already but if I go away and comeback, or people talk about one that I haven't heard of lately it's frustrating. Think about thatfor a brand new user how hard that might be when they sign up.

Sorry to get off topic there but I think it makes a difference in communicating and discussions.

Now on the subject, I haven't posted a bit on here but I've been busy,and when I do I look for relevant feedback. Much of it has been very helpful and not "smarmy". It actually made my Applejack video just a pinch better by adding some extra notes on a comparisonsI did recently.

When I started reading SB.com the abbreviations were difficult to understand. I started searching for the terms, and signed up as a member. Truthfully, I might not have become part of the SB community if it weren't for the need to understand the terminology. As far as I'm concerned, it would be great if people who don't care enough to research the basic language would move on.

Anyway, if you're an active member of this community, you will know the language.

fishnbowljoe
01-18-2011, 21:11
It took me a while to learn all the abbreviations when I joined. My head was spinning a little at first, but I adapted rather quickly. Besides, it's a heck of a lot easier than typing out some of the names. :lol: Joe

BBQ+Bourbon
01-18-2011, 21:12
That's cool. I just heard about this great little distillery in Templeton, Iowa, that was started by Al Capone and has a system for making ten-year-old whiskey in about 15 minutes.
That's actually true, but it only works because of the Texas grains that are unique to that area.

barturtle
01-18-2011, 21:21
Kill the acronyms.



Get over it. Every hobby/job/culture has its own language that must be mastered for maximum enjoyment. If you don't care enough to take the time to learn it, it's not our problem.

And it's my list. However, I don't have the moderator access to do the updates, nor do I want such access. It gets updated when it gets updated. Daily updates on an ever changing language is impractical, changes get noted when a significant number of acronyms are added or changed and come into standard and regular usage.

If you don't like it you can go start your own whiskey board, everyone else is doing it. :lol:

humchan2k
01-18-2011, 21:30
This, I like....good shit, Sku.

cowdery
01-18-2011, 22:34
As the wise fool said, "a kind word never broke a tooth."

fishnbowljoe
01-18-2011, 22:42
I sure wish there was a smiley that was missing a tooth. :grin:

And yes, I admit that sometimes I'm ill informed. Get over it. :slappin: Joe

craigthom
01-19-2011, 04:07
The reason I say this is because this really makes it harder for new users to get an understanding of what is being discussed.

The problem Chuck brought up, though, wasn't with people asking questions; the problem is with people answering questions with wrong information, like those who don't know that all Jack Green comes from barrels low in the warehouse. I know it's true because I heard it from a tour guide.

CorvallisCracker
01-19-2011, 10:49
Kill the acronyms.

Seriously. This is one of the few forums I've been in that is just incredibly acronym dependant that I've ever seen (and I am talk about ALL Internet forums I've been in). Everyone is doing it on here.


OMG! You're not saying we're so bourbon geeky as to be GAFL candidates, are you? YMMV, but I disagree.



I sure wish there was a smiley that was missing a tooth. :grin:


My BFF Joe wants a smiley missing a tooth? My BFF Joe gets one! http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_i0SbH3GZkhI/TTcxLzKNhgI/AAAAAAAAAEk/AosA9CJiIro/s1600/toothless-grin.gif (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_i0SbH3GZkhI/TTcxLzKNhgI/AAAAAAAAAEk/AosA9CJiIro/s1600/toothless-grin.gif)

imbibehour
01-19-2011, 11:08
Man this thread really de-railed... :lol:

I don't know want's scarier, plumbers jokes, someone getting worked up over a suggestion or

the fact that kickert knows about a website called diaperswappers :skep:

Josh
01-19-2011, 12:00
Man this thread really de-railed... :lol:

I don't know want's scarier, plumbers jokes, someone getting worked up over a suggestion or

the fact that kickert knows about a website called diaperswappers :skep:

Kickert's a stay-at-home dad and a user of cloth diapers for his daughter, as am I. I've been to that website, but it says it's for moms so I guess I can't join.

imbibehour
01-19-2011, 12:10
Kickert's a stay-at-home dad and a user of cloth diapers for his daughter, as am I. I've been to that website, but it says it's for moms so I guess I can't join.

man I said it once and I'll say it again.. there is always a web forum for ANYTHING... :cool:

kickert
01-19-2011, 12:46
Kickert's a stay-at-home dad and a user of cloth diapers for his daughter, as am I. I've been to that website, but it says it's for moms so I guess I can't join.

There it is...

And trust me... those "mommies" are intense. I have taken exception with their gender-exclusive terminology on the site, but it is often a loosing battle.

imbibehour
01-19-2011, 13:36
There it is...

And trust me... those "mommies" are intense. I have taken exception with their gender-exclusive terminology on the site, but it is often a loosing battle.

I feel for you man, lets all start a petition and get kickert IN!!!

Bourbon afficionados and fans demand addition for member to diaperswappers be heard

man there's a World Weekly News headline right there somewhere.

CorvallisCracker
01-19-2011, 14:05
man there's a World Weekly News headline right there somewhere.

Oooo, I have some bad news for you.

fishnbowljoe
01-19-2011, 15:02
OMG! My BFF Joe wants a smiley missing a tooth? My BFF Joe gets one! http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_i0SbH3GZkhI/TTcxLzKNhgI/AAAAAAAAAEk/AosA9CJiIro/s1600/toothless-grin.gif (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_i0SbH3GZkhI/TTcxLzKNhgI/AAAAAAAAAEk/AosA9CJiIro/s1600/toothless-grin.gif)

Now that's funny. :slappin: :slappin: :slappin: :slappin: :slappin: Nice one Scott. Joe

darkluna
01-19-2011, 15:36
Get over it. Every hobby/job/culture has its own language that must be mastered for maximum enjoyment. If you don't care enough to take the time to learn it, it's not our problem.

And it's my list. However, I don't have the moderator access to do the updates, nor do I want such access. It gets updated when it gets updated. Daily updates on an ever changing language is impractical, changes get noted when a significant number of acronyms are added or changed and come into standard and regular usage.

If you don't like it you can go start your own whiskey board, everyone else is doing it. :lol:

Acronyms can be an obstacle to understanding for sure, but so can spelling. I've always been partial to the idea of using the full name/phrase/whatever in a sentence and then relying on the acronym on future references.

cowdery
01-19-2011, 16:18
Maybe we should merge with the diaperswappers. This site could use more women and they could probably use a drink.

imbibehour
01-19-2011, 17:13
I need a drink right now reading all of this...

Special Reserve
01-19-2011, 17:37
I need a drink right now reading all of this...

There you go, I'll join you.

CorvallisCracker
01-19-2011, 17:50
Maybe we should merge with the diaperswappers. This site could use more women and they could probably use a drink.

Then even more folks would be coming to Straight Bourbon to get the straight poop!

craigthom
01-19-2011, 18:32
Oooo, I have some bad news for you.

I know. I subscribed to the Weekly World News for years. I loved it. I ran out of time, so I dropped my subscription, and they stopped printing it. I blame myself.

kickert
01-19-2011, 20:28
I feel for you man, lets all start a petition and get kickert IN!!!

Bourbon afficionados and fans demand addition for member to diaperswappers be heard

man there's a World Weekly News headline right there somewhere.

Just to clarify, you don't have to be female to join the site. But, every user is referred to as a "mommy" and there is no consideration that fathers too may be interested in the ins and outs of cloth diapering.

barturtle
01-19-2011, 20:46
Just to clarify, you don't have to be female to join the site. But, every user is referred to as a "mommy" and there is no consideration that fathers too may be interested in the ins and outs of cloth diapering.

I guess being called a mommy is better than be called a buttwiper.

kickert
01-19-2011, 21:11
I guess being called a mommy is better than be called a buttwiper.

Better watch it or I will whip your butt... oh... wait... you said wipe... never mind.

unclebunk
01-20-2011, 06:45
Sorry to take this thread even further off track, but when my kids were born my wife informed me that she was in charge of in-put and I was responsible for output, so I became the self-proclaimed "King of Diapers." Why, I could change my son's diaper in a pitch black room in seconds flat and jump back into bed without missing a snore. Except for that time my son introduced the "butt cannon"...:lol:

Josh
01-20-2011, 07:16
man I said it once and I'll say it again.. there is always a web forum for ANYTHING... :cool:

Just discovered this today: http://www.theringlord.org/forum/index.php?


Sorry to take this thread even further off track, but when my kids were born my wife informed me that she was in charge of in-put and I was responsible for output, so I became the self-proclaimed "King of Diapers." Why, I could change my son's diaper in a pitch black room in seconds flat and jump back into bed without missing a snore. Except for that time my son introduced the "butt cannon"...:lol:

Something to look forward to!:lol:

imbibehour
01-20-2011, 07:44
This topic has gone completely FUBAR

CorvallisCracker
01-20-2011, 07:52
We call it the "Basement Effect", newbie. :lol:

kickert
01-20-2011, 08:05
Sorry to take this thread even further off track, but when my kids were born my wife informed me that she was in charge of in-put and I was responsible for output, so I became the self-proclaimed "King of Diapers." Why, I could change my son's diaper in a pitch black room in seconds flat and jump back into bed without missing a snore. Except for that time my son introduced the "butt cannon"...:lol:

I am very much acquainted with the Butt Cannon

barturtle
01-20-2011, 08:19
Okay, can we just go ahead and move the entire thread to OT?:rolleyes:

unclebunk
01-20-2011, 08:21
I am very much acquainted with the Butt Cannon

:lol: :lol: :lol: That picture is hysterical! But (or should I say "butt") I know how you feel when it happens. Josh will be buying a hazmat suit after he sees that shot!

barturtle
01-20-2011, 10:05
I am very much acquainted with the Butt Cannon

I have some friends who due to personal queasiness regarding these matters opted to spit duties (he said dootie:lol:), she took solids and he took liquids for diaper changes. Whose job would something like that be?:slappin:

cowdery
01-20-2011, 11:00
Maybe not so off-topic since I began this thread with a plea to only write about what you know.

kickert
01-20-2011, 11:05
Maybe not so off-topic since I began this thread with a plea to only write about what you know.

And trust me.... I know my shit!

squire
01-20-2011, 14:15
The older I get the more I realize how much I don't know.

TNbourbon
01-20-2011, 15:00
This topic has gone completely FUBAR
I don't know: once a thread is really 'off-topic', can if continue to be so?
In other words -- if a topic falls in the woods, is it now an "off" topic? (or something like that:skep: :rolleyes:)

ErichPryde
01-20-2011, 15:22
I don't know: once a thread is really 'off-topic', can if continue to be so?
In other words -- if a topic falls in the woods, is it now an "off" topic? (or something like that:skep: :rolleyes:)

I thought the saying went something like "when a mime is crushed by a falling tree in the forest, does he make a sound?" But I could have it a bit wrong. Mute point either way!

jbutler
01-20-2011, 15:36
Ed,

Are you small?

craigthom
01-20-2011, 18:26
I guess being called a mommy is better than be called a buttwiper.

Timothy, are you saying that you aren't a buttwiper? Way too much information, dude, but it does explain the smell.

Josh
01-20-2011, 18:27
Timothy, are you saying that you aren't a buttwiper? Way too much information, dude, but it does explain the smell.

:hot: :hot: BURN:hot::hot:

CorvallisCracker
01-20-2011, 18:37
It's starting to look like a PR&C thread! http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_i0SbH3GZkhI/TTjw7e-pAFI/AAAAAAAAAEo/i8iPx-1CCVQ/s1600/popcorn.gif Even Jim's posting!


Although I have absolutely no idea what he's talking about.

Josh
01-20-2011, 18:42
It's starting to look like a PR&C thread! http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_i0SbH3GZkhI/TTjw7e-pAFI/AAAAAAAAAEo/i8iPx-1CCVQ/s1600/popcorn.gif Even Jim's posting!


Although I have absolutely no idea what he's talking about.

I'm guessing it's an inside joke of some sort. I've only met him once, but I do want to take a moment and say how great I think Ed is and what an asset he is to this forum. We all love you pepcycle. God bless.

etohchem
01-21-2011, 05:02
what a crappy thread.
:)

pepcycle
01-21-2011, 12:39
Yes, I am small. That's nothing compared to how angered I am about cat juggling.


Ed,

Are you small?

TNbourbon
01-21-2011, 13:37
Yes, I am small. That's nothing compared to how angered I am about cat juggling.
I herd that! (Well, actually, I don't -- and can't! They're taking over the place!:bigeyes:)

squire
01-21-2011, 14:39
Tim I like to think of them as points of reference.

callmeox
01-21-2011, 18:25
Ill informed?

You mean we *don't* get French benefits?

ILLfarmboy
01-22-2011, 10:05
A lot of ill-informed questions, comments and discussions could be avoided with the application of common sense, before one posts....

Erik and Lucas's comments in "Air, Angels and thoughts" are spot on and should occure to anyone if that person thinks before posting.

squire
01-24-2011, 18:50
Brad I serve as a moderator on an unrelated hobby board and our new members ask uninformed questions because, well, they're uninformed, and joined the Board to learn. A polite question should receive a civil answer no matter how many times the same question may have been posted in the past.

Of course comments follow, some less informed than others, that's the nature of a hobby board, knowledgeable members make knowing corrections and the discussion that ensues adds to the dialogue and growing body of knowledge and information.

I'm here because I like the subject and suggest any new member or sojourner might use the search function looking for 'straight bourbon' and find a lot of pages going back to the beginning of the Forum.

We members come here to talk but many more to visit, learn, and I believe we have an obligation to speak to them courtesy.