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farmboy238
02-04-2011, 14:10
Is there a ton of difference between these two Bourbons? (Keep in mind I am a new guy so be gentle with me, please!)

OscarV
02-04-2011, 14:15
First of all you got the OWA wrong it's 7/107 or at least it was, it non age statement now.
But some say it's still 7yo but BT couldn't fit it on the new label.
Weller 12, OWA 7/107 and Weller Special Reserve are the same whiskey, just cut to different proofs and different amout of time in the barrel.
Now as far as taste goes I prefer the OWA 7/107 of the three.

BTW, did you confuse OWA 7/107 with ORVW 10/107?

CorvallisCracker
02-04-2011, 14:20
Is there a ton of difference between these two Bourbons?
No, they weigh about the same.



(Keep in mind I am a new guy so be gentle with me, please!)

You had to say please! :rolleyes: Okay then!

First, I'm guessing you didn't mean "10/107". OWA had been "7 summers old" for most of its history and more recently is NAS (although it's supposedly still 7yo). I haven't had the NAS.

As for the 12/90 vs the 7/107, as you might expect the former has a little more oak and the latter a little more bite. The latter also has an apple thing going that I don't find in the former.

They're both very good and both good values.

SMOWK
02-04-2011, 15:58
The Weller 12 tastes excellent, while the Old Weller Antique 7/107 tastes outstanding and gets you drunker. That's my experience.

nivto
02-04-2011, 17:30
The Weller 12 tastes excellent, while the Old Weller Antique 7/107 tastes outstanding and gets you drunker. That's my experience.

Wow, you have a way with words. :grin: That's exactly how I feel.

dmarkle
02-05-2011, 15:02
The Weller 12 and the OWA 10/107 are both very nice indeed and I partake of them both liberally and regularly.

To be honest, I think they're both comparable in quality -- the 12 being "smoother", and the the OWA being a bit fuller in taste because of the higher proof. A lot of times I prefer the OWA, even though the flavors aren't as rounded out as the 12. I think 107 proof is my favorite level for a wheater bourbon.

I think you should buy both and have fun in comparing them. While you're at it, now that you have a bottle of Weller 12, you should get yourself some Van Winkle Lot B, and compare that as well. I think the Weller 12 to the VW is a really interesting one because they're alike in so many ways -- the mashbill, the distillery, the age... You can really get a good idea of what the Van Winkles are selecting for when they pick barrels. And you can pay twice as much for it. ;)

A lot of people talk about the Old Weller Antique being non-age statement whiskey. This is true for the 750ml, but the last time I saw a handle of it on the shelf, the 1.75L still had the old "7 summers old" label on it, so I'm fairly confident it hasn't changed. Either way, it's still very enjoyable indeed.

OscarV
02-05-2011, 15:11
A lot of people talk about the Old Weller Antique being non-age statement whiskey. This is true for the 750ml, but the last time I saw a handle of it on the shelf, the 1.5L still had the old "7 summers old" label on it, so I'm fairly confident it hasn't changed.

Ah-ha, so you are saying the new label in the 1.5L still has the 7yo age statement?
Then it sounds like BT didn't want to or like they said "didn't have the room" for the age statement on the 750ml bottle.
So all is well in OWA 7/107 land.
That's good to know.

dmarkle
02-05-2011, 15:34
Ah-ha, so you are saying the new label in the 1.5L still has the 7yo age statement?
Then it sounds like BT didn't want to or like they said "didn't have the room" for the age statement on the 750ml bottle.
So all is well in OWA 7/107 land.
That's good to know.

Well, when I last saw the handle a couple of months ago, they were still using the old label -- I never saw the new OWA label on a 1.75... There is a small chance, though, that those might have been old bottles. I guess I will just have to buy them all up and then wait for them to restock. Then I'll know for sure.

Oh and one more thing, BT still states that OWA is 7 years old on their Great Bourbon website, even with the new label: http://www.greatbourbon.com/WellerAntique.aspx.

farmboy238
02-05-2011, 16:13
No, they weigh about the same.



You had to say please! :rolleyes: Okay then!

First, I'm guessing you didn't mean "10/107". OWA had been "7 summers old" for most of its history and more recently is NAS (although it's supposedly still 7yo). I haven't had the NAS.

As for the 12/90 vs the 7/107, as you might expect the former has a little more oak and the latter a little more bite. The latter also has an apple thing going that I don't find in the former.

They're both very good and both good values.



So even though one is proofed higher than the other they still weight the same? :grin: I would think the "7"(my bad)/107 to weight more!!

Let's throw another wrench into the works and add ORVW10/107 v. Weller 12 v. OWA 7/107. I wonder how "different" the flavor profiles would be to my untrained palate (who cares, I will enjoy them all) and if those differences would justify the $costs on some of these bottles i.e., is the ORVW twice as good as the Weller 12?

dmarkle
02-05-2011, 16:21
So even though one is proofed higher than the other they still weight the same? :grin: I would think the "7"(my bad)/107 to weight more!!

Let's throw another wrench into the works and add ORVW10/107 v. Weller 12 v. OWA 7/107. I wonder how "different" the flavor profiles would be to my untrained palate (who cares, I will enjoy them all) and if those differences would justify the $costs on some of these bottles i.e., is the ORVW twice as good as the Weller 12?

I'm of the school of thought that says that if you've got an untrained palate, to stick with an apples-to-apples comparison with the proofs of the whiskeys if you're interested in really learning what it is you like about the character of the spirit itself. Weller 12 -> VW 12 Lot B, OWA 7/107 vs ORVW 10/107.

Personally, I think you'll find the biggest difference between the OWA 7/107 and the ORVW 10/107. It's amazing how much more complex the Old Rip is vs its younger cousin.

Is the ORVW twice as good as the Weller 12? Since it's your money and not mine, I will say yes. But for me, I go up to Montgomery County and I get me some Weller 12 for $18.50 a bottle. That makes it too attractive not to be in the rotations of my daily after-work bourbons.

fishnbowljoe
02-05-2011, 20:08
I may as well jump in here with my opinion(s), since I do have a certain fondness for all things Weller.:yum:

Even though some people may get tired of it, I like to use my "Three Bears" analogy at times like this. I will add Weller SR for effect. :crazy:

"This bourbon is too light." Weller SR. Light and very easy on the palate.

"The bourbon is too strong." OWA 7/107. More robust, but at the same time more flavorful.

"This bourbon is just right." Weller 12. The best of both worlds. Even though it's only 90 proof, the extra 5 years in the barrel give it a much richer flavor.

This is all just speaking in very general terms mind you. I like them all, and don't find the Weller SR too light, or the OWA too strong.


But for me, I go up to Montgomery County and I get me some Weller 12 for $18.50 a bottle. That makes it too attractive not to be in the rotations of my daily after-work bourbons.

Well put sir. If the Weller 12 was that price around here, I'd have more than 21 bottles in my bunker. :grin: It's one of my favorites. IMHO, you just can't go wrong with Weller 12. Cheers! Joe

cgbakerjr
02-05-2011, 20:36
The Weller 12 tastes excellent, while the Old Weller Antique 7/107 tastes outstanding and gets you drunker. That's my experience.

Superb. My sentiments exactly.

T Comp
02-05-2011, 20:46
... is the ORVW twice as good as the Weller 12?

Around here Weller 12 is $27.99 Binny's and I think ORVW 107 is around $35 but I recently added a few at $29. So at least in Chicagoland it's not a twice the price ratio and twice as good doesn't appeal to me much as a comparison concept either. They are both very good and have their own profile.


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Personally, I think you'll find the biggest difference between the OWA 7/107 and the ORVW 10/107. It's amazing how much more complex the Old Rip is vs its younger cousin.
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I couldn't agree more and posted some recent tasting notes in the BOTM thread on ORVW stating the same.

"I spent time last night tasting side by side, recent releases of ORVW 107 and OWA. Quite a lesson in their differences and I'll assume the role of age, barrel selection and brand profile. When compared OWA = sweeter, more citrus (orange/tropical) fruit, sweet candy, cream, higher heat in the mouth and shorter finish. ORVW = eucalyptus, ash, lead pencil, more caramel, more vanilla and more complexity with long dry finish. Both are so good in their own right but ORVW 107 is a top contender for my stranded on an island bourbon and worth the extra $15 to $20 price point."

squire
02-07-2011, 17:13
The prices are not that far apart here but the Old Rip label is way more cool.

StraightBoston
02-10-2011, 07:00
I prefer the boldness of the Old Weller Antique (with or without age statement) to the Weller 12 -- you can cut or not depending on your drinking mood.

Old Rip 10/107 has the advantage of being cherry-picked (honey-picked) but around these parts is almost twice as expensive as the OWA.

In the minority here, but Weller SR tastes like watery Makers Mark to me...

MarkEdwards
02-10-2011, 09:13
So even though one is proofed higher than the other they still weight the same? :grin: I would think the "7"(my bad)/107 to weight more!!

Well, technically speaking, since alcohol weighs less than the other ingredients, the 107 should weigh less than the 90, although you might find that the 107 has more gravitas. :cool:

Chuckles
02-10-2011, 14:50
Dang. I've been having so much fun sampling my first bottle of OWA 7/107 along with my second bottle of ORVW 10/107. (The former is mighty nice, but the latter is still my current fave.) Now I need to go find more Weller to keep up with this thread. (By the way, the OWA 7/107 I purchased two weeks ago from my local independent had 7-y-o on the label.) -Chuckles

dmarkle
02-10-2011, 17:16
In the minority here, but Weller SR tastes like watery Makers Mark to me...

Yeah, I've been afraid to pick up any of the lower proof Weller because this is what I was afraid of...

jmpyle
02-13-2011, 21:12
I have always been in the minority with OWA 107 and SR. I find them "solid" only. They bring good, classic bourbon flavors, but seriously lack depth and complexity. Even 107 to me is a frontal attack of punchy alcohol, that I feel further accentuates a falloff finish. ORVW 10 107 and 90 are both better products in my opinion by a good margin. It's been too long since I've had Weller 12 to comment on that.

StraightNoChaser
04-18-2011, 13:32
I found a stash of OWA with the age statement on it (old school bottles)... should I pick these up or are they no different (tasting) from the current bottles?

OscarV
04-18-2011, 15:09
I found a stash of OWA with the age statement on it (old school bottles)... should I pick these up or are they no different (tasting) from the current bottles?

If it says distilled in Louisville then get then all, S-W bourbon.
If it says distilled in Frankfort you may as well get a few and asked others here what years are best.
It seems some were very good.
Worse case scenario, you got some good bottles.