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CorvallisCracker
02-07-2011, 21:32
While at my favorite liquor store today, I spotted a new bourbon, Big Bottom Whiskey "American Straight Bourbon Whiskey". Three years old, 91 proof, $29.95, marketed (bottled?) by some outfit in Hillsboro (just SW of Portland). Looking at the back of the bottle I see "Distilled in Indiana". Viewing the address via Google Earth it appears to be operating out of rented warehouse space.

Here's the website (http://bigbottomwhiskey.com/home.html).

Later this month they'll be releasing a two year old that's been finished in port casks. I'm sure it's the same source as both are described as being 36% rye.

A final note to those considering participation in VBT 311 - this is not it. I'm way too cheap to spend $30 on a three year old bourbon. I'm curious about LDI bourbon, but not that curious.

Medicfrost
02-07-2011, 21:58
I have a feeling I'll never get to see this in Florida.

Inthewater
02-08-2011, 05:49
Hmm, wonder if it will taste like Templeton Rye?

TomH
02-08-2011, 07:07
Hmm, wonder if it will taste like Templeton Rye?

I figure this was said tongue-in-cheek, but on the off chance it was not, the LDI bourbons (e.g. Redemption, Harrison) do not resemble the LDI ryes.

My eyes aren't great, but it did look like it was bottled at somewhere in the 90+ proof area so I would imagine it is pretty close to the Redemption Bourbon.

Tom

Inthewater
02-08-2011, 09:45
Tongue firmly in cheek, Tom.

:grin:

Inthewater
02-08-2011, 09:46
Also, I thought it said it was 36% Rye or something, up above. That was why I made my smart-assed, and seemingly non-funny, comment. :lol:

CorvallisCracker
02-08-2011, 10:21
Please let's not turn this one into another flame war. PLEASE! :skep:

Inthewater
02-08-2011, 10:29
Huh?

Who is flaming anyone?

Well, I am "flaming" Templeton, but I didn't know that was against the TOS. :skep:

Inthewater
02-08-2011, 10:30
In all seriousness, I saw the Rye, saw LDI and thought it may be a similar flavor as Templeton.

Well, the juice before aging anyway.

ethangsmith
02-08-2011, 10:46
Ok, I'm behind the ball on this one, who or what is LDI??

Inthewater
02-08-2011, 10:50
From what I know, and I am not an expert by far, they are a huge distillery that makes a lot of white dog for companies that age and/or market but do not distill.

http://www.lawrenceburgdistillersindiana.com/

Think that is the place, but I may be wrong.

CorvallisCracker
02-08-2011, 10:52
Ok, I'm behind the ball on this one, who or what is LDI??

See this thread (http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14166).

Inthewater
02-08-2011, 10:59
There it is.

Pretty cool place, really. They make a lot of product there.

CorvallisCracker
02-08-2011, 11:07
From what I know, and I am not an expert by far, they are a huge distillery that makes a lot of white dog for companies that age and/or market but do not distill.

They do age it there. Reportedly all of the older stock is already sold (to Diageo, Pernod-Ricard¹, High West and others) who are content to let it continue to reside on the LDI premises.


1. I have no idea why P-R would want it; maybe they have Plans.

ethangsmith
02-08-2011, 11:11
Wow. Quite the place. So I guess some day when I launch E.G. Smith Rye BIB I know where I can have it distilled!

cowdery
02-08-2011, 11:20
LDI has long been a bit of an enigma. As Scott mentioned, they do have warehouses and do age whiskey there, and they do a lot of business with Diageo although claims that Diageo has cornered the market on their aged stock are purely speculative. At present their business seems somewhat disorderly, almost as if they are having a fire sale. Ever since their formerly well-heeled parent collapsed in the financial crisis, they've been acting like a company that's selling the fixtures to keep the lights on.

CorvallisCracker
02-08-2011, 11:29
So I guess some day when I launch E.G. Smith Rye BIB I know where I can have it distilled!

It does seem to be the quickest way to get into the biz. If I did it I expect my label would be Old Potemkin. :lol:

Or I could distill it here.


...they've been acting like a company that's selling the fixtures to keep the lights on.

I wonder how much they want for one of their stills.

Inthewater
02-08-2011, 12:17
Interesting stuff. I didn't realise they actually aged the stuff there too, just thought they made the raw materials.

Thanks for the info.

flintlock
02-08-2011, 23:38
LDI has long been a bit of an enigma. As Scott mentioned, they do have warehouses and do age whiskey there, and they do a lot of business with Diageo although claims that Diageo has cornered the market on their aged stock are purely speculative. At present their business seems somewhat disorderly, almost as if they are having a fire sale. Ever since their formerly well-heeled parent collapsed in the financial crisis, they've been acting like a company that's selling the fixtures to keep the lights on.

I wonder if you could go on a barrel tasting tour and pick one out to buy?:cool:

ILLfarmboy
02-09-2011, 12:08
It does seem to be the quickest way to get into the biz. If I did it I expect my label would be Old Potemkin. :lol:


I love it.

In keeping with the times you could have a picture on the label of an inflatable still-house designed to fool anyone looking at satellite imagery of your property.

:slappin: :slappin:

cowdery
02-09-2011, 14:33
I wonder if you could go on a barrel tasting tour and pick one out to buy?:cool:

Why don't you call them and find out? I'll come. I'm only 5 hours away.

CorvallisCracker
02-09-2011, 15:16
Why don't you call them and find out? I'll come. I'm only 5 hours away.

Ask them how much they want for one of their stills. And whether they'd take Magic Beans.

Rughi
02-09-2011, 18:18
I wonder if you could go on a barrel tasting tour and pick one out to buy?:cool:

They would probably sell a few barrels at a time to other producers or wholesalers. I've found the bigger question is who will bottle that small of an amount. That can also be done, but it raises the level of effort and cost.

It's also unlikely they have any bourbon over 3yo available.

cowdery
02-10-2011, 08:33
They would probably sell a few barrels at a time to other producers or wholesalers. I've found the bigger question is who will bottle that small of an amount. That can also be done, but it raises the level of effort and cost.

It's also unlikely they have any bourbon over 3yo available.

Good point. LDI has bottling but not, to my knowledge, a single-barrel bottling line. Of course you could transfer it to someone who does, if you could persuade them to bottle it for you.

kickert
02-10-2011, 09:38
Good point. LDI has bottling but not, to my knowledge, a single-barrel bottling line. Of course you could transfer it to someone who does, if you could persuade them to bottle it for you.

I have tasted some LDI 3yo barrels... nothing you would write home about. The ones I tasted had that grassy rye flavor that I normally associate with young HH products.

cowdery
02-10-2011, 15:14
I have tasted some LDI 3yo barrels... nothing you would write home about. The ones I tasted had that grassy rye flavor that I normally associate with young HH products.

How did this come about? Do tell.

Josh
02-11-2011, 05:30
Good point. LDI has bottling but not, to my knowledge, a single-barrel bottling line. Of course you could transfer it to someone who does, if you could persuade them to bottle it for you.

It's not an SB, but the folks who sell WH Harrison used the Temperance Distilling Company in Temperance, MI (North of Toledo) for their bottling. They make a wide variety of products themselves, including Jello shots, alcohol infused whipped cream and candy-flavored vodka. I do wonder if they have any whiskey currently aging tho.

kickert
02-11-2011, 06:36
How did this come about? Do tell.

Let's just say I know someone who knows someone who might have purchased some barrels from LDI. ;-)

cowdery
02-11-2011, 11:06
Let's just say I know someone who knows someone who might have purchased some barrels from LDI. ;-)

See, there it is. Everything about them is so secretive.

cowdery
02-11-2011, 11:08
It's not an SB, but the folks who sell WH Harrison used the Temperance Distilling Company in Temperance, MI (North of Toledo) for their bottling. They make a wide variety of products themselves, including Jello shots, alcohol infused whipped cream and candy-flavored vodka. I do wonder if they have any whiskey currently aging tho.

Although it's done it's pretty rare for non-distiller producers to buy barreled whiskey and continue aging it, as most do not have warehouses.