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trumpstylz
02-15-2011, 21:56
I havent heard much about the 6 year russells reserve rye. Anyone have any takes on it?

White Dog
02-15-2011, 23:01
I love WT Rye 101, much more than Baby Saz, and slightly more than RittBIB. As for RR6yrRye, I think the choice of proof castrates it.

Yet I also like the Ritt80pr, so go figure.

StraightNoChaser
02-16-2011, 00:10
RR6 was a disappointment to me personally... didn't have a true rye taste nor did it particularly impress me

trumpstylz
02-16-2011, 01:32
As for RR6yrRye, I think the choice of proof castrates it.



I feel the same way about templeton- decent product that should be offered at a higher proof.

Virus_Of_Life
02-16-2011, 05:16
Just FYI, there is a Rye Forum, I've moved this to it. Cheers!

HipFlask
02-16-2011, 22:39
I love WT Rye 101. I was somewhat disappointed with my bottle of RR Rye. It was way to salty. It was the same for my last bottle RR Bourbon too. I haven't gone back because of it. Sadly they no longer make WT RR 101. That was a sweet Bourbon and was my introduction pour. But back to Rye. i would pop for the 101 or try Rittenhouse BIB or Baby Saz and let the RR Rye go. Sorry Russell

roostercogburn
02-17-2011, 20:43
It's been a while since I've had a bottle of RR Rye, but I can remember thinking it was pretty decent, if not as good as its Nichols compatriot. RR Rye lacks a lot of the rye-spice punch that makes WT Rye a standard pour for me. Maybe it's the little extra time the whiskey spent in the barrel, but the edges that distinguish WT Rye from its entry-level rye counterparts (Overholt and Beam) have been well tempered in the RR Rye. Still, I can see how its softer profile would make RR much more palatable than WT, which even some rye guys I know find off putting in its spiciness.

Raises another question: has it been established that this is the same juice as WT Rye, just older and at a lower proof?

trumpstylz
02-21-2011, 20:19
Raises another question: has it been established that this is the same juice as WT Rye, just older and at a lower proof?

I've wondered if maybe the 101 is the same age if not older (average barrel) than the 6 yr RR.

squire
02-21-2011, 20:28
According to an interview with Jimmy Russell a few years back the Turkey Rye 101 is aged 4 years. Curious that it was 4 yrs even back when the stated age on the Bourbon 101 was 8 yrs.

TheGentleman
02-22-2011, 18:53
I haven't had the WT, but I did try the RR rye and was kind of disappointed...just nothing special about it. I'd take Ritt BIB everyday over it and the next rye I buy will be the Wild Turkey 101...I really look forward to it.

HRay
03-22-2011, 20:47
I love WT Rye 101, much more than Baby Saz, and slightly more than RittBIB. As for RR6yrRye, I think the choice of proof castrates it.


I am so glad to hear that so many people like the WT Rye 101! It has been my go to whiskey ever since I tasted it. I have always been partial to WT since I started brinking bourbon (I especially like the Rare Breed). The RR bourbon was fantastic until they lowered the proof (luckily I had just bought 6 bottles when they did that and have held onto 5 of them!).

The WT Rye was my introduction to the world of rye and I have since tried every rye I can get here in Atlanta (and even mail-ordered some I can't get here). For some reason the RR Rye has never been quite there for me, maybe it is the proof but I prefer the flavor of the 101.

Whiskey Willie
03-23-2011, 06:35
Count me in as a guy who prefers WT101 rye over RR rye...proof and bold flavor blow RR away. I also have Baby Saz in my stash. While I like it, I like WT101 rye better.

Brisko
03-23-2011, 07:55
Does anybody else have tasting notes for the Russel's Reserve Rye? Despite its generally cold reception here I am tempted to pick up a bottle, just because...

roostercogburn
04-06-2011, 14:19
This is curious: I had a half-full bottle of WT Rye that I left at my folks' house in Houston. I guess it had been there like that for a few months before I retrieved a couple of weeks ago. I've noticed a huge difference in the taste when compared with my recently opened bottle of WTRye: the alcohol, while still present in the nose, has been toned down considerably in the finish. Any burn one might associate with the 101 has diminished. Not just that: the taste profile and finish are richer now, too. The earthiness I associate with young-ish ryes (and WT in particular) has taken on a softer, sweeter quality that I find quite nice. Any part of the "rot-gut" phenomenon has disappeared, replaced with a long, lingering vanilla taste.

Oxygen does WT Rye good.

Shell
05-03-2011, 09:00
Does anybody else have tasting notes for the Russel's Reserve Rye? Despite its generally cold reception here I am tempted to pick up a bottle, just because...

The Wild Turkey Rye 101 proof is an excellent value (~$17-$18 in MI) and a very good rye. I find the Russell's Reserve Rye 6 yr. to be a bit smoother and bit more complex. However, it is higher in price - ~$31 in MI.

(The Sazerac Rye 6 yr. and the Bulleit Rye, however, have risen to the top tier of my rye favorites - I favor them over the Wild Turkey and Russell's Reserve ryes.)

Enjoy.

ebo
05-08-2011, 17:32
Having finally found a bottle of WT Rye to try (thanks ThomasH), I have to say that it is a great pour for $21.00 and change. I really like the Saz Jr. too, but I think I like the WT Rye, even better.

timd
05-09-2011, 10:34
Having finally found a bottle of WT Rye to try (thanks ThomasH), I have to say that it is a great pour for $21.00 and change. I really like the Saz Jr. too, but I think I like the WT Rye, even better.
I wouldn't want to choose between the two. I'd be happy with both, but not one over the other.

Rittenhouse BIB really wants to work its way in to make this a 3 way tie.

The other lower-end Ryes are all acceptable, and I'm happy to try them (over and over and over) again - but WT101 & Baby Saz are the category killers in the "well under $30" range, Ritt BIB is good, but as it's now a tad more expensive than the WT101 here in TX and elsewhere PLUS it's on allocation and it can be hard to come by, I don't include it on the short list - but it's definitely a close 3rd.

Brisko
05-12-2011, 12:02
Bought a RR Rye yesterday finally. I didn't have a lot of time to spend on it, but I did do a quick side-by-side with the 101. My first impressions:

Color-- the RR is lighter, more of a golden amber where the 101 is a little more copper colored. Forgot to note the legs but I think the 101 is more viscous.

Same notes of sappy cedar on the nose. The 101 has more rye bread and molasses to it, the RR is more floral, more honeyed, more minty. The 101 has some dill notes that are almost entirely absent in the RR.

Taste, neat: RR has more spice up front (cinnamon, baking spices) but it develops on to a more honeyed, grassy midpalate. It's definitely smoother and a little thinner feeling than the 101. The 101 has a bigger, rounder mouthfeel that is maybe a touch rougher around the edges. After the initial attack of the 101, which is full of crisp rye flavors, the underlying sweetness shows briefly but then gets obscured by a building spiciness. The finish is moderately long and spicy. RR, on the other hand, finishes with a quiet sweetness.

Adding water to the 101 to bring them to the same proof does bring out a little more sweetness in the mid-palate of the 101 but it doesn't dull the attack or finish much--rather sharpens them a bit. RR, on the other hand, gets more floral, honeyed, and juicy (mango, maybe?) with the addition of any water. Ice brings out the spices at the initial attack of the RR. With the 101, ice seems to tighten it up a bit.

I don't think I can answer whether I like one over the other. I like them both, but they're sort of apples to oranges in comparison-- they're not that much alike, to my thinking. I will say I do like RRR better than Baby Saz (about the same price in my area). Interestingly the RR reminds me a little of THH (significantly) watered down-- in fact I'd say the RR and the THH have as much in common with each other as they do with their own standard-expression brothers. Who knew?

Anyway, the conclusion I draw is this: there's always room for another rye in the cabinet.

timd
05-12-2011, 13:21
Anyway, the conclusion I draw is this: there's always room for another rye in the cabinet.

AMEN!

Nice comparison of the two. Someday it would be nice sit down with some friends and right up a side-by-side of the sub-$35 bottle Ryes that are (moderately) easy to find these days

Old Overholt
Rittenhouse 80
Rittenhouse BIB
Wild Turkey 101 Rye
Jim Beam Rye
Saz Jr
Russels Reserve
Bulleit
Redemption
Templeton
R(1)

And just for good measure on the top end:
Pappy FRR
Vintage 21
Thomas Handy
Saz 18

Would be nice to have all that information & comparison at one spot.

Anybody up for the challenge?

There is a cool article from the Cocktail Chronicles from back in '07 that reviews 18 Ryes over a stretch:

http://www.cocktailchronicles.com/2007/01/05/the-rye-chronicles/

But it doesn't cover all of the above, and would be nice to see it covered from a bourbon/whiskey-hound perspective.

T Comp
05-13-2011, 22:04
Bought a RR Rye yesterday finally. I didn't have a lot of time to spend on it, but I did do a quick side-by-side with the 101. My first impressions:

Color-- the RR is lighter, more of a golden amber where the 101 is a little more copper colored. Forgot to note the legs but I think the 101 is more viscous.

Same notes of sappy cedar on the nose. The 101 has more rye bread and molasses to it, the RR is more floral, more honeyed, more minty. The 101 has some dill notes that are almost entirely absent in the RR.

Taste, neat: RR has more spice up front (cinnamon, baking spices) but it develops on to a more honeyed, grassy midpalate. It's definitely smoother and a little thinner feeling than the 101. The 101 has a bigger, rounder mouthfeel that is maybe a touch rougher around the edges. After the initial attack of the 101, which is full of crisp rye flavors, the underlying sweetness shows briefly but then gets obscured by a building spiciness. The finish is moderately long and spicy. RR, on the other hand, finishes with a quiet sweetness.

Adding water to the 101 to bring them to the same proof does bring out a little more sweetness in the mid-palate of the 101 but it doesn't dull the attack or finish much--rather sharpens them a bit. RR, on the other hand, gets more floral, honeyed, and juicy (mango, maybe?) with the addition of any water. Ice brings out the spices at the initial attack of the RR. With the 101, ice seems to tighten it up a bit.

I don't think I can answer whether I like one over the other. I like them both, but they're sort of apples to oranges in comparison-- they're not that much alike, to my thinking. I will say I do like RRR better than Baby Saz (about the same price in my area). Interestingly the RR reminds me a little of THH (significantly) watered down-- in fact I'd say the RR and the THH have as much in common with each other as they do with their own standard-expression brothers. Who knew?

Anyway, the conclusion I draw is this: there's always room for another rye in the cabinet.

Very nice tasting notes Brisko! John Hansell compared these in 2007 and pretty much had the same conclusion. I haven't had the 101 Rye in some time but tasted the RR for the first time at the distillery tour a few weeks ago and enjoyed it enough to have added one to the bunker (way to many already open, to open). Gary Gillman clued me in to what he called its feminine nature as a rye whiskey.

Shell
05-14-2011, 17:10
... I haven't had the 101 Rye in some time but tasted the RR for the first time at the distillery tour a few weeks ago and enjoyed it enough to have added one to the bunker (way to many already open, to open). Gary Gillman clued me in to what he called its feminine nature as a rye whiskey.

A trip to the KY bourbon trail & visit to the Wild Turkey distillery is definitely on my "to do" list. You mention that "Gary Gillman clued me in to what he called its feminine nature as a rye whiskey" - is he referring to the softer, smoother, more floral characteristics that attributed to Russell's Reserve 6 yr. Rye?

Thanks,

T Comp
05-14-2011, 21:53
A trip to the KY bourbon trail & visit to the Wild Turkey distillery is definitely on my "to do" list. You mention that "Gary Gillman clued me in to what he called its feminine nature as a rye whiskey" - is he referring to the softer, smoother, more floral characteristics that attributed to Russell's Reserve 6 yr. Rye?


Yep, pretty much close to his follow up adjectives as we were taking our first sip. You get to choose having two small pours into plastic shot cups out of about five or six products set out and briefly described. One of them was the honey liqueur. We chose the KS and RR rye. The KS they were pouring was from a barrel that seemed a little disjointed to both of us. They also had some tasty lemonade, with no limit on pours. The exquisite smells of the old rick house are not to be missed.

callmeox
05-14-2011, 21:58
I wouldn't hit a dead dog in the ass with my bottle of WT 101 rye, but I've killed more than one RR rye here at home. Either my bottle of 101 is an outlier or the extra 2 years in the wood soften the blow considerably.

For some reason, this is the only bottle that I've purchased that I have such strong feelings about. I've tried it up, neat, on the rocks, and mixed with ginger ale and I still get that freshly punched in the throat feeling every time.

White Dog
05-15-2011, 22:08
I wouldn't hit a dead dog in the ass with my bottle of WT 101 rye, but I've killed more than one RR rye here at home. Either my bottle of 101 is an outlier or the extra 2 years in the wood soften the blow considerably.

For some reason, this is the only bottle that I've purchased that I have such strong feelings about. I've tried it up, neat, on the rocks, and mixed with ginger ale and I still get that freshly punched in the throat feeling every time.

Is that the only bottle of WT101Rye that you've ever had a taste from?

OscarV
05-16-2011, 04:02
I wouldn't hit a dead dog in the ass with my bottle of WT 101 rye,

What's the point, he's already dead.


Is that the only bottle of WT101Rye that you've ever had a taste from?

Yep, good question. I love WT Rye 101 on the rocks, it's an instant cocktail.

callmeox
05-16-2011, 04:31
Is that the only bottle of WT101Rye that you've ever had a taste from?

Yes.

With 2/3 of a bottle left, I'm not looking to purchase another just to quality check the original acquisition.

HRay
11-12-2011, 21:13
After reading through this thread, I realized that it has been a long time since I have tasted the rye that brought me to try rye in the first place: WT 101 Rye. A few months back when it disappeared from the shelves, I was afraid the new owners of WT had decided not to distriburte it any more. At that point I got a case and started to sit on it. I haven't had any since!

Then all these new ryes started to come out like Templeton, High West, Redemption, and Bulleit, diverting attention away from my original favorite reasonably priced rye (I still love the Saz 18). This thread has convinced me to go back home to the WT rye and try it after drinking all that Bulleit Rye and High West Rendezvous. I also want to compare the WT 101 Rye to the Russell's Reserve Rye to see if I like it any better than I used to.

Results to follow....

Ray in Atlanta

ethangsmith
11-13-2011, 07:50
Just picked up a bottle of RR rye Friday and found it very enjoyable. While I really like the flavor and extra proof of the 101 rye, I found the RR rye to be smoother and a nice mellow pour. I think I'll drink the RR rye when I want something to sip on and relax and the 101 rye for evenings when I want a stronger, more commanding drink. My favorite ryes (from best to least)?

1. Rittenhouse BIB
2. WT 101 rye
3. Pikesville
4. RR rye
5. Old Overholt
6. Michter's rye
7. "Baby" Sazerac

HRay
11-13-2011, 11:04
Just picked up a bottle of RR rye Friday and found it very enjoyable. While I really like the flavor and extra proof of the 101 rye, I found the RR rye to be smoother and a nice mellow pour. I think I'll drink the RR rye when I want something to sip on and relax and the 101 rye for evenings when I want a stronger, more commanding drink. My favorite ryes (from best to least)?

1. Rittenhouse BIB
2. WT 101 rye
3. Pikesville
4. RR rye
5. Old Overholt
6. Michter's rye
7. "Baby" Sazerac


Ethan,
I have to agree that the RR and 101 ryes are quite different but I like them both but for different occasions. As for the Pikesville on your list, I was amazed how different in taste that was for such a cheap rye! Unfortunately, I can't get it here in Atlanta so I have to go to Tennessee to stock up. Is the Michter's rye on your list the US*1 Single barrel rye? Unfortunately, I found this to be thin and tasteless. I have one open (and another unopened) but haven't tried this in a long time. Perhaps I'll have to revisit it. I have been told to try their other rye but it is much moree expensive so I have not pulled the trigger on it as of yet.

My list of cheap ryes would be:
1. Bulleit rye
2. WT 101 rye
3. Pikesville
4. High West Rendezvous
5. RR rye
6. Rittenhouse BIB
7. "Baby" Sazerac
8. Jim Beam rye

Slainte Mhath
Ray in Atlanta

Beer&Bourbon
11-13-2011, 16:57
I'm interested to see Bulleit near the top of several lists here. Haven't tried it, but have been meaning to pick up a bottle of that as well as a WT 101 Rye.

The only ryes that I've had have been VWFRR and Baby Saz - the VWFRR is one of my favorite whiskies on the planet. The Baby Saz was rather mild and somewhat disappointing. On the other hand, it fit perfectly into a sazerac cocktail (made with Vieux Carre absinthe) so I was none-to-upset to polish off the bottle.

ethangsmith
11-13-2011, 19:39
Ray- Yes, the Michter's I have is the basic stuff, not the 10yo stuff. It is a bit thin for the price. I wasn't real happy with it to be honest.

HRay
11-13-2011, 21:58
After many months of playing around with all these new ryes that we seem to have suddenly on the market (never mind that most of them are from two distilleries: LDI and Alberta), I decided to go back to the rye that brought me to the party, so to speak. Tonight I went back to Wild Turkey 101 rye and Russell's Reserve rye. The WT 101 was like getting back in touch with an old friend. I like it as much as I always did before and I must say that I think it is still the best value available in whiskey. Yes, I said whiskey including bourbon, because for around $20 (here in Atlanta) I challenge anyone to find a better whiskey. I tried the Russell's Reserve rye after the WT 101 rye and while it is much smoother, until they up the proof to 101 (where all WT should be) I don't think it compares to the WT 101 rye especially considering the price difference. The bottom line is that while I like many of the new ryes on the market, especially the Bulleit rye, I will always be sure to have a bottle of WT 101 rye open and at the ready!

HRay
11-13-2011, 22:39
Ray- Yes, the Michter's I have is the basic stuff, not the 10yo stuff. It is a bit thin for the price. I wasn't real happy with it to be honest.

Ethan,
After my WT 101 rye vs RR rye, I revisited my dusty bottle of the Michter's US*1 rye. I immediately remembered what turned me off about it with the first sip: it has that burnt cocoa taste that I find in so many Canadian whiskies. I don't know why it is there but I taste it. After letting it sit in the glass for a while this cocoa taste recedes but I am left with a rather thin tasting whiskey without much rye flavor. Someday I'll try the 10 year Straight Rye but until then I don't think I'll go for another Michter's US*1 rye.

HRay
11-17-2011, 22:37
Back to the subject at hand, do we know when Wild Turkey started distilling at the new plant? When will the new rye be in the bottle? Since the WT 101 Rye is presumed to be about 4 years old, it should be pretty soon that we will have the new output for that. The Russell's Reserve Rye will be a little later.
I wonder if we will notice a difference in taste from the new distillery.

T Comp
11-18-2011, 06:43
Back to the subject at hand, do we know when Wild Turkey started distilling at the new plant? When will the new rye be in the bottle? Since the WT 101 Rye is presumed to be about 4 years old, it should be pretty soon that we will have the new output for that. The Russell's Reserve Rye will be a little later.
I wonder if we will notice a difference in taste from the new distillery.

The new distillery was officially unveiled on June 21, 2011 but started operations a little before that. The official press release indicates product from the new stills will be available in 2016. Production capacity can be more than doubled from the expansion.

Back in April I was talking with Jimmy Russell while holding a bottle of 101 Rye in my hand and he commented that he expects a shortage of the product in the near future. I didn't press him for details but you can take that for whatever its worth.

HRay
11-18-2011, 08:51
The new distillery was officially unveiled on June 21, 2011 but started operations a little before that. The official press release indicates product from the new stills will be available in 2016. Production capacity can be more than doubled from the expansion.

Back in April I was talking with Jimmy Russell while holding a bottle of 101 Rye in my hand and he commented that he expects a shortage of the product in the near future. I didn't press him for details but you can take that for whatever its worth.

I think it's too bad that they are tearing down the old plant but I guess that's progress....

When Jimmy Russell referred to a shortage do you think he was only referring to the rye or the bourbon as well? Interestingly, I was at a Heaven Hill tasting a while back at Prohibition (a faux speakeasy here in Atlanta) and while we were talking about how difficult it is to find Rittenhouse BIB, the guy doing the tasting mentioned that he "had heard" that Wild Turkey was going to stop making rye. I thought this was ridiculous with rye growing in popularity and I pressed him about it. I went out and bought two cases just in case he was right. Sure enough a few weeks later all the WT rye here in Atlanta ran out! For a couple of months we were all out but it eventually came back and now there is plenty. Coincidently we never ran out of the Russell's Reserve rye during all that time.

T Comp
11-18-2011, 12:54
When Jimmy Russell referred to a shortage do you think he was only referring to the rye or the bourbon as well? ...

He was specifically just referring to the rye and I can't imagine any reason at all why they would stop distilling rye which they only spend 3 to 4 days doing anyway. Chuck Cowdery wrote a good blog piece on the mirage of the rye revival last year too http://chuckcowdery.blogspot.com/2010/06/rye-ality.html

bad_scientist
02-14-2012, 19:38
Finally killed my bottle of RR Rye. My feelings were much in line with several that were voiced on this thread, though I hadn't read it before tonight - namely, that's it's just too low in proof.

I loved the dryness of the rye flavors, which I usually find in much older ryes. It also had a honey sweetness at the beginning that made the dryness more of a pleasant surprise, though I wouldn't mind if it were less sweet. It just tasted like I added too much water to a great whiskey, i.e. MY WORST NIGHTMARE. Also, it had a sour note that I have had in other ryes, but which was more pronounced in this one. Not a repeat purchase.

weller_tex
03-01-2012, 08:44
I also prefer WT Rye 101 to the RR Rye. To my taste, the RR Rye almost tastes just like a high-rye bourbon but not as good as WT 101 bourbon. The WT Rye has this wonderful creamy, smooth, vanilla and spice character.

Shell
03-01-2012, 13:12
I also prefer WT Rye 101 to the RR Rye. To my taste, the RR Rye almost tastes just like a high-rye bourbon but not as good as WT 101 bourbon. The WT Rye has this wonderful creamy, smooth, vanilla and spice character.

I like the Rittenhouse Rye 100 proof, it makes a great Manhattan. Unfortunately, Rittenhouse Rye 100 proof is no longer being sold here in Michigan. (Another example of the archaic regulations and system in Michigan that limit the selection, availability, and pricing of spirits in the state.) My next purchase will be the Wild Turkey Rye 101.

weller_tex
03-01-2012, 13:37
Rittenhouse 100 is hard to find at times in the Houston area as well. Not very common. I like it OK, but it's style does not suit me as well as other ryes.

StraightBoston
03-01-2012, 15:54
According to an interview with Jimmy Russell a few years back the Turkey Rye 101 is aged 4 years. Curious that it was 4 yrs even back when the stated age on the Bourbon 101 was 8 yrs.

Jimmy and Eddie talked about this at a tasting at Julio's in MA last night. They both felt that rye peaks earlier than bourbon -- hence 6yo RR rye vs. 10yo RR bourbon.

The new WT81 rye will have older juice than 4 years.

boneuphtoner
03-01-2012, 16:26
This week, I tried both of these for the first time. I like both of them alot! But, for my palate, Ritt BIB and Baby Saz are slightly more interesting pours. The RR was a great sipper for sure...one of the easiest sipping ryes I've ever tried, but I think I could be bored with it. The WT 101 rye was a bit more brash and rough around the edges compared to the RR, but I still liked it. I agree with others that a RR BIB proof would be nice to try.

StraightBoston
03-02-2012, 15:08
This week, I tried both of these for the first time. I like both of them alot! But, for my palate, Ritt BIB and Baby Saz are slightly more interesting pours. The RR was a great sipper for sure...one of the easiest sipping ryes I've ever tried, but I think I could be bored with it. The WT 101 rye was a bit more brash and rough around the edges compared to the RR, but I still liked it. I agree with others that a RR BIB proof would be nice to try.

Noticing your location: when talking about the WT rye, Jimmy kept saying that in his day nobody would drink a rye from Kentucky -- rye had to come from Pennsylvania or Maryland (as it stands, they get their grain from Germany!)

gblick
03-08-2012, 12:21
Jimmy and Eddie talked about this at a tasting at Julio's in MA last night. They both felt that rye peaks earlier than bourbon -- hence 6yo RR rye vs. 10yo RR bourbon.So I guess they also think that the RR bourbon tastes better at 90 proof than 101. :shocked:

Shell
03-08-2012, 12:28
Noticing your location: when talking about the WT rye, Jimmy kept saying that in his day nobody would drink a rye from Kentucky -- rye had to come from Pennsylvania or Maryland (as it stands, they get their grain from Germany!)

Do I understand that you're saying that Jimmy Russell and Wild Turkey sources its rye grain from Germany? Why wouldn't they use domestic grain - and is this common with other domestic whiskey distillers?

weller_tex
03-20-2012, 12:00
So I guess they also think that the RR bourbon tastes better at 90 proof than 101. :shocked:

I understand the sarcasm here and would certainly prefer to see RR at 101 proof, but I believe they are correct about rye. That Willett 4 year rye is mighty good stuff.

White Dog
03-20-2012, 15:12
Jimmy and Eddie talked about this at a tasting at Julio's in MA last night. They both felt that rye peaks earlier than bourbon -- hence 6yo RR rye vs. 10yo RR bourbon.

The new WT81 rye will have older juice than 4 years.

It may peak earlier at a younger age, but when it comes to the ultra-age category, I can't get enough years on Rye.

For my general preferences:

Rye-recipe Bourbon: 8 to 12 years.

Wheaters: 10 to 20 years.

Rye: 18 to who knows how long. I have a Hirsch 25yr that's amazing!

Brisko
03-20-2012, 15:38
It may peak earlier at a younger age, but when it comes to the ultra-age category, I can't get enough years on Rye.

For my general preferences:

Rye-recipe Bourbon: 8 to 12 years.

Wheaters: 10 to 20 years.

Rye: 18 to who knows how long. I have a Hirsch 25yr that's amazing!

I think something that really differentiates rye from most bourbons is that it presents itself well even young (under 4 years old) and it wears extra aging very well. Bourbons, by and large, seem to do will in the middle of the age gamut.

weller_tex
03-20-2012, 19:44
I think something that really differentiates rye from most bourbons is that it presents itself well even young (under 4 years old) and it wears extra aging very well. Bourbons, by and large, seem to do will in the middle of the age gamut.

Exactly! Well said!