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MacinJosh
03-30-2011, 08:30
Hey all,

I was talking to Dominic Roskrow yesterday and he had just finished tasting the Maker's 46 for the first time.....of course he was a fan. He then went on to declare the UK would not be receiving any until 2014!! Ouch! He was even under the impression the Whisky Exchange couldn't even get any but I have since received a tweet from them stating "@whiskytasting @iMacinJosh @TheWhiskyWire We'll definitely have it before then :) TWE not being able to get stuff is only ever temporary..."

Dominic decided to blog about it late last night. A good article and thought I would share.

http://thewhiskytastingclub.co.uk/Blogs/domblog/2011/03/30/is-bill-samuels-having-a-laugh/

Cheers!
Josh

NeoTexan
03-30-2011, 09:41
It was my understanding that the just added staves to the inside of the used barrels and refilled, not breaking them down and rebuilding with the new oak.

smokinjoe
03-30-2011, 10:13
And, wasn't the 46 name in reference to the 46th experimental test-batch that they did with the cooperage, not just to be whacky?

Rutter
03-30-2011, 10:20
I've seen it in some of the bars in london so it is available, but its very pricey!

callmeox
03-30-2011, 11:01
And, wasn't the 46 name in reference to the 46th experimental test-batch that they did with the cooperage, not just to be whacky?

Joe, you have that wrong. Bloggers are correct and SB is where misinformation comes from.

Please don't make that mistake again.

nor02lei
03-30-2011, 11:18
This just show what has happened in the last year or so. The gap between the available American whiskey between Europe and USA has escalated almost logarithmic. Very frustrating indeed!

Leif

NeoTexan
03-30-2011, 13:22
Joe, you have that wrong. Bloggers are correct and SB is where misinformation comes from.

Please don't make that mistake again.

Although bloggers are not always the most reliable souces of information, I would take Dominic's word over most folks here. He probably has more experience in the whisky world than 90% of the folks on this board. In addition to other achievments he is a member of The Keepers of the Quaich.

OscarV
03-30-2011, 13:33
And, wasn't the 46 name in reference to the 46th experimental test-batch that they did with the cooperage, not just to be whacky?


Joe, you have that wrong. Bloggers are correct and SB is where misinformation comes from.

Please don't make that mistake again.

Scott I think Joe is correct.
Seems to me I read that is just about exactley what Bill Samuels Jr said about it.

callmeox
03-30-2011, 13:49
Although bloggers are not always the most reliable souces of information, I would take Dominic's word over most folks here. He probably has more experience in the whisky world than 90% of the folks on this board. In addition to other achievments he is a member of The Keepers of the Quaich.

Does his extreme experience give him the right to make shit up as he goes?

According to the press release at the time of the 46 launch, you and Joe are correct about the derivation of the name and the change in the process and the Queef keeper is not.

Perhaps the original "oak planks" information is vague, but the tearing down the barrels angle is definitely different.

callmeox
03-30-2011, 13:50
Scott I think Joe is correct.
Seems to me I read that is just about exactley what Bill Samuels Jr said about it.

Your sarcasm detector needs a tuneup. :grin:

OscarV
03-30-2011, 14:32
Your sarcasm detector needs a tuneup. :grin:

Oh Contraire my fellow rust belt, Spring & baseball championship deprived resident.
But then again it was Brian Boswell the President of Independant Stave Company who referred to one of his many experiments of his seared staves as "Maker's Mark Profile 46"* that was chosen.
Bill Sameuls Jr and at that time Master Distiller Kevin Smith "both focused on 'Maker's 46' because that was the name of the special seared staves that Boswell invented."*

*=Source: The Bourbon Review Summer 2010 Issue

smokinjoe
03-30-2011, 14:35
Your sarcasm detector needs a tuneup. :grin:

Sorry, I let you hang out there on that one. :crazy: I just couldn't come up with a witty retort in time that would appropriately acknowledge your on-the-money sarcasm. :D

I suck....

cowdery
03-30-2011, 15:04
Dominic simply got it wrong. They do not "take new French oak staves and ... break down the casks, rebuild them with the new staves, seal them, and refill." I've been there and watched them do what they do, which is empty the barrel, remove the top hoops so they can remove the head, then they restore the hoops and install four plastic railings, one on each side, one top and one bottom. The French oak -- which is really planks, not staves -- is then hung on these racks and the head is put back on. The barrels are refilled and then sit for however long it is, six weeks if I remember correctly. He just made some incorrect assumptions. It happens.

callmeox
03-30-2011, 17:38
The entire premise of the piece is flawed.

Regarding the name 46, he says:

The joke here? That normal Maker’s has an alcoholic strength of 46% ABV – 92 proof – but 46 is at 47%.

“I think Bill did it deliberately,” says MM’s Jane Conner. “I certainly wouldn’t put it past him. You can just imagine him doing it. Right, we’ve got this great new whisky. We’re gonna call it 46. What strength shall we make it? How about 47?

“I mean it’s not as if one percentage point makes a lot of difference”

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The normal strength of Makers is 45% ABV, not 46%.

jburlowski
03-30-2011, 18:18
IMHO, if you don't get MM46 until 2014 (or even much later), you'll do just fine.

NeoTexan
03-30-2011, 19:21
Does his extreme experience give him the right to make shit up as he goes?

According to the press release at the time of the 46 launch, you and Joe are correct about the derivation of the name and the change in the process and the Queef keeper is not.

Perhaps the original "oak planks" information is vague, but the tearing down the barrels angle is definitely different.

I'm sorry, he got something wrong.

I should know better and always take your posts as "word from above".

callmeox
03-30-2011, 19:28
I'm sorry, he got something wrong.

I should know better and always take your posts as "word from above".

I don't place myself out there as an expert while writing a blog. You can bet your ass that if I did take up a blog, I would check my facts before publishing.

smokinjoe
03-30-2011, 19:52
I don't place myself out there as an expert while writing a blog. You can bet your ass that if I did take up a blog, I would check my facts before publishing.

I agree. It was an absolutely careless and sloppy story, for someone who apparently has such a fine reputation writing about whisky. I guess, the wrong whiskey. We as laymen, can get it wrong on this subject, and make those type of blatant incorrect assumptions. But, those mistakes were Titanic. If he paid any attention to the American whiskey market, he would most definitely not have made such errors. To finish, I don't know Bill Samuels from Adam, but I couldn't help but get the impression that Roskrow's story portrayed him as some sort of Carnival barker. Much to my dismay.

cowdery
03-30-2011, 20:43
While Dominic got a lot wrong, the Bill-Samuels-as-carnival-barker portrayal is pretty much dead on, and I'm sure Mr. Samuels would agree. It's the image he cultivates.

I'll admit I'm surprised by the mistakes, as Maker's has a very good and complete press kit for 46.

I wouldn't make such a big deal about this. He takes comments on his blog. Call him out.

smokinjoe
03-30-2011, 21:05
While Dominic got a lot wrong, the Bill-Samuels-as-carnival-barker portrayal is pretty much dead on, and I'm sure Mr. Samuels would agree. It's the image he cultivates.

I'll admit I'm surprised by the mistakes, as Maker's has a very good and complete press kit for 46.

I wouldn't make such a big deal about this. He takes comments on his blog. Call him out.

Without question, you know Bill Samuels better than I. So, if you say he cultivates, promotes, or endorses a carnival-barker image, then that must be part of his shtick. OK. My from-the-cheap-seats-view didn't hit on that.

cowdery
03-31-2011, 10:02
I can't find the picture of him in the pimp suit with the feather boa so his lawn jockey outfit will have to do.

NeoTexan
03-31-2011, 16:17
I can't find the picture of him in the pimp suit with the feather boa so his lawn jockey outfit will have to do.

That was actually a cardboard cutout. He could not attend so they placed that at the party so folks could get a picture "with" Bill.

And here is a shot of what you were looking for, the theme that year was Mardi Gras:

12031

cowdery
03-31-2011, 17:12
That's one of my favorites but there's another one with a pink feather boa that was more pimp-like.

He does tend to reserve the wildest outfits for family.

I love Bill. How many business executives have a personal costume budget?

NeoTexan
03-31-2011, 18:04
That's one of my favorites but there's another one with a pink feather boa that was more pimp-like.

He does tend to reserve the wildest outfits for family.

I love Bill. How many business executives have a personal costume budget?

I think that was a Flappers and Dappers event .... I may have it also. I will look.

NeoTexan
03-31-2011, 18:17
Couldn't find the pink boa but did find:12032

cowdery
03-31-2011, 18:37
Even more outrageous than that one.

See what I mean, Joe?

But I have a great admiration for carnival barkers. A great puller, a great pitchman, is equal parts showman and salesman and master of both. They can sell you the pants you are already wearing and make you love every minute of it.