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Parkersback
04-03-2011, 21:01
There are a few threads (and even a poll!) that ask a similar question as the one I am about to pose here, but they are locked and several years old, so...

I want to investigate another WT product besides 101 and wanted to get some of your thoughts on the current versions of:

Rare Breed
Kentucky Spirit
Russell's Reserve 10 (90)

They are sort of close in price (36.91, 39.95, 29.99), with the AS and Tradition (89.99 and 96.99) much more than I want to spend. So I thought I'd throw it out there to you Turkey fans (I'm looking at you, Paul :grin: ) to see which of those three you like best, and why.

callmeox
04-03-2011, 21:06
I am a Kentucky Spirit fanatic, but I can't recommend the newer bottlings as the whiskey seems much younger than before.

I like the RR 10/90, but I vote for the Rare Breed as the next step in your Turkey exploration.

squire
04-03-2011, 21:30
Were I to buy another Turkey product it would be Rare Breed.

White Dog
04-03-2011, 21:33
Love Rare Breed!

StraightNoChaser
04-03-2011, 22:32
The KS is good but the RB is fantastic!

fishnbowljoe
04-03-2011, 23:10
I would like to suggest getting a bottle or RR 10/90, and a bottle of RB. Try both. See which one you like better. Then do a 1:1 vatting of the two. I call it Joe's Reserve. :grin: Tastes very similar to the old RR 10/101. Cheers! Joe

Rughi
04-04-2011, 00:01
The great thing about Rare Breed is that it vats younger and older whiskies to capture a more complex character than one gets from single age bottlings. KS can have great standout qualities at the top of it's game, but a master practicing his art on a vatting can surpass any single barrel in complexity and balance. I think some of the Rare Breeds approach the pinnacle of bourbon.

Josh
04-04-2011, 05:25
Rare Breed
Kentucky Spirit
Russell's Reserve 10 (90)

If I were grading the current ones (factoring in price, as I almost always do):
A
D
C+

The RR is just ho-hum at 90 proof. If I'm drinking with the Turkey, I expected to be pecked.

squire
04-04-2011, 06:19
Handling the Rare Breed has that effect on me.

sailor22
04-04-2011, 07:00
It's sad what has happened to KS. The older ones were my favorite Turkey expression but I'm just not impressed with the current offering.

The same batch numbers on the Rare Breed have been in use for quite awhile now and it's really good.

Parkersback
04-04-2011, 07:30
So, honestly, which one do you guys think I should try? :grin:

Rare Breed it is.

squire
04-04-2011, 07:32
Good choice Tom.

callmeox
04-04-2011, 08:20
Enjoy the Rare Breed as is existence is the reason for no WT12 yo sales in the US. Per Jimmie, theres not enough aged stock to support both.

p_elliott
04-04-2011, 09:20
Tom

Of the three you had picked out you had them in the right order. I love WTRB, WTKS is pretty good, I'm not a big fan of the RR 10/90 now if yo can find a RR 10/101 that's a another story all together snag that puppy. Also try the WT 101 Rye.

Paul

Brisko
04-04-2011, 09:24
I'm a fan of the RB, too. A well constructed whiskey at the perfect strength. And the price is decent.

chefnash51
04-04-2011, 12:42
Rare Breed never disappoints, while others have in the past

I like the idea if vatting the RR90 with RB to bring it to 101... might try that.

Hopefully once the stock/supplies build back up we will see WT 12 yr again

trumpstylz
04-04-2011, 14:14
Of the three you had picked out you had them in the right order. I love WTRB, WTKS is pretty good, I'm not a big fan of the RR 10/90 now if yo can find a RR 10/101 that's a another story all together snag that puppy. Also try the WT 101 Rye.



I second that notion. RB or WT rye (and RR 101 if you can actually find one)

SBOmarc
04-04-2011, 14:40
I am a Kentucky Spirit fanatic, but I can't recommend the newer bottlings as the whiskey seems much younger than before.

I like the RR 10/90, but I vote for the Rare Breed as the next step in your Turkey exploration.

I try not to disagree with Scott, especially when he is sooo right.

jdodso3
04-04-2011, 17:55
I third Trumpstylz...the RB is excellent, but in the long run, you should just try all of WT's offerings.

tehbeardman
04-04-2011, 18:04
Great topic Tom. I too am in the same boat as you. I love WT101. And I've not had any of the other expressions. I think I've decided that my next choices will be the Rye 101 then the RB.

TNbourbon
04-04-2011, 19:16
Rare Breed never disappoints, while others have in the past...
Yes, it does! Fairly frequently, for me, at least. Now, I've has some excellent Rare Breed. But, it's the exception, in my experience, not the rule. And I find same-numbered 'batches' awfully variable (and long-lasting! -- the same one's been on the shelf here in Middle Tennessee close to 10 years now. It doesn't sell!), too.
Like Woodford Reserve in the post-honey-barrel state, I just don't risk it, anymore.


...Hopefully once the stock/supplies build back up we will see WT 12 yr again
And this, perhaps, is why I tend to 'hate on' Rare Breed. When 12yo WT bourbon can be THIS GOOD by itself, why is God's Creation do they ruin it by blending it with vastly-inferior, 6- and 8-year-old whiskey?:banghead: :mad: :smiley_acbt:

Pieface
04-05-2011, 00:59
WTRB-03 is a pretty unique. Super spicey, not much sweetness to my palate. It's not a traditional bourbon profile as I think of it. Saying that I really enjoy it as a change up whiskey.

T Comp
04-05-2011, 07:18
Yes, it does! Fairly frequently, for me, at least. Now, I've has some excellent Rare Breed. But, it's the exception, in my experience, not the rule. And I find same-numbered 'batches' awfully variable (and long-lasting! -- the same one's been on the shelf here in Middle Tennessee close to 10 years now. It doesn't sell!), too.
Like Woodford Reserve in the post-honey-barrel state, I just don't risk it, anymore.


And this, perhaps, is why I tend to 'hate on' Rare Breed. When 12yo WT bourbon can be THIS GOOD by itself, why is God's Creation do they ruin it by blending it with vastly-inferior, 6- and 8-year-old whiskey?:banghead: :mad: :smiley_acbt:

There is still so much 03 RB stuck to the shelves around here too that I do believe it is inevitable to join the cockroach in being there at the end. There must have been a purposeful decision to really ramp up the production and apparently miscalculated. Never had the 03 as I have enough mid 90's which I find very good but Tim's point is well taken considering the superiority of the extinct ten year RR 101.

Brisko
04-05-2011, 07:46
I was under the impression that they quit using batch numbers with the 03. It doesn't seem possible that they had enough aged stock to put out that much at once.

I had a mini of RB that was an order of magnitude better than the current fifth that I have in my cabinet. I don't think there was a batch number on the mini... even if there was it is long gone.

In terms of quality, the mini was to the current RB as the current RB is to the standard 101.:bigeyes: Really. I still like and recommend RB, but I wouldn't mind seeing a 12 year (hell even an 8 year) back on the shelf.

BourbonJoe
04-05-2011, 08:12
All the 03RB's that I own are old ones (and good ones). I do not buy the newer bottles.
Joe :usflag:

squire
04-05-2011, 10:16
Still got some of the Rye 101 that I intend to revisit.

RyanL
04-11-2011, 18:41
All the 03RB's that I own are old ones (and good ones). I do not buy the newer bottles.
Joe :usflag:

What exactly is the difference in the various 03s and how do I tell the difference based on bottle numbers?

I've yet to ever try WTRB. I see so much on the shelves and its all 03. I typically check just to see if there is older stuff even though I have no idea which is better or if I like any of it. I just see so much 03 that it doesnt seem like a must buy anytime soon as it seems like it will be around for years to come. I would like to try some but would like to get the best available.

Josh
04-11-2011, 18:48
What exactly is the difference in the various 03s and how do I tell the difference based on bottle numbers?

I've yet to ever try WTRB. I see so much on the shelves and its all 03. I typically check just to see if there is older stuff even though I have no idea which is better or if I like any of it. I just see so much 03 that it doesnt seem like a must buy anytime soon as it seems like it will be around for years to come. I would like to try some but would like to get the best available.

Get the 03s. Seriously. Even the current ones are better than some of the late 1990s bottles. Don't hold out for a holy grail at the cost of enjoying some of the best bourbon on the market right now.

RyanL
04-11-2011, 18:52
Get the 03s. Seriously. Even the current ones are better than some of the late 1990s bottles. Don't hold out for a holy grail at the cost of enjoying some of the best bourbon on the market right now.

OK, I'll definitely get some but I'm still trying to discern what the following means.


All the 03RB's that I own are old ones (and good ones). I do not buy the newer bottles.
Joe :usflag:


Are there multiple 03 releases? If so how do I tell the difference between the older/better ones and the newer bottles?

callmeox
04-11-2011, 19:30
The "batch" identifier on the neck tag has not changed in a long time, so even though it says "03" on it there's no way it means that the bourbon in the bottle was blended in 2003.

What Joe is saying that his bottles were purchased shortly after the change to the current neck tag and that he prefers the earlier bottlings in this "batch" to the current ones.

Since taste is subjective and you have no reference point, just jump in and buy one. I agree with Josh that it is some darn good bourbon.

smokinjoe
04-11-2011, 20:47
Ryan, just buy a bottle. Any bottle. Folks here can give you all kind of "tips" on what are best, which to seek out, which to avoid, which glass to drink it out of, which type of glass, uh, glass you should use....yada, yada, yada. Buy one, form your OWN opinions, and tell us what YOU think. It really only matters to YOU. Anyone else's opinion don't mean doodlysquat. Here's one for ya: I don't like Weller 12...Everyone else, LOVES it...And, I could give a flying F!$$ :D And, neither should you!

wripvanwrinkle
04-11-2011, 21:11
What Joe is saying that his bottles were purchased shortly after the change to the current neck tag and that he prefers the earlier bottlings in this "batch" to the current ones.

Joe's words were fresh in my head today. While hunting I was paying special attention to the RB neck tags. At one store, the RB was way up high on the top shelf (near the sealing) against the wall. Hiding behind about 6 RB bottles was an RB tube. With great expectation, I procured a ladder from the propietor. With some difficulty, I finally extracted the tube to find yet another "03" (like Ryan, I have no idea what I was looking for.)

With some dissapointment I returned it to the shelf... It's funny though, that tin still sticks in my head. Maybe there is something to a pretty face.

trumpstylz
04-11-2011, 22:27
Just a quick warning if you haven't tried it yet- Rare breed is full throttle (but awesome)- just so you know.

RyanL
04-12-2011, 00:36
Ryan, just buy a bottle. Any bottle. Folks here can give you all kind of "tips" on what are best, which to seek out, which to avoid, which glass to drink it out of, which type of glass, uh, glass you should use....yada, yada, yada. Buy one, form your OWN opinions, and tell us what YOU think. It really only matters to YOU. Anyone else's opinion don't mean doodlysquat. Here's one for ya: I don't like Weller 12...Everyone else, LOVES it...And, I could give a flying F!$$ :D And, neither should you!


Yea, you're right. I'm still fairly new to bourbon at least on a serious level and had been getting to know and learn about a lot of new ones these past few months and just hadn't gotten to this one yet. I didn't know if there was some sort of cream of the crop RB that I should be seeking out so I just never picked any up. It's been long enough though and I need to find out for myself so RB will most likely be the next new bourbon I pick up and hopefully I like it as much as everyone else around here seems to.

CaptainQ
04-12-2011, 09:49
Just a quick warning if you haven't tried it yet- Rare breed is full throttle (but awesome)- just so you know.

Good tip right there.

jcg9779
04-12-2011, 12:22
Like Woodford Reserve in the post-honey-barrel state, I just don't risk it, anymore.

I don't mean to hijack this thread, but how do you know which Woodford Reserve bottles are the honey barrels and which are not?

Josh
04-12-2011, 12:54
I don't mean to hijack this thread, but how do you know which Woodford Reserve bottles are the honey barrels and which are not?

I beleive Tim is refering to the following: the early bottlings of WR were just "honey barrels" of Old Forester and contained nothing distilled in Versailles whatsoever. Now WR is a mix of Shively and Versailles distillate, to the best of my knowledge anyway. The WRMCs are all Versailles.