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TNbourbon
05-09-2011, 20:16
Hello. My name in Tim, and I used to only drink bourbon straight.
I spent a lot of money doing it; I made a lot of friends and acquaintances; I drank a lot of significant bottlings. I don't regret it.
Still, I couldn't keep it up. My resources were limited, both by income and attitude. Eventually, I had to admit it: I like bourbon, even mixed with cola or ginger ale (diet versions, usually).
It was hard to break the 'purist' habit, as both myself and others had come to view me as somewhat accomplished at tasting straight bourbon. I can still 'call' a flavor, in a pinch. But, it's a lot of trouble. Easier to 'call' the ginger ale or cola.:grin:
I still don't drink before 5 p.m. (weekends, especially Sundays, excepted). I don't drink if I expect to drive (or ride the motorcycle). I don't drive if I've had more than a modicum of drink. But -- I'll admit it! -- I enjoy the buzz!
Frankly, it's easier to down a good amount of bourbon with an auxiliary (if I spelled THAT correctly, I'm not drunk yet) cover. Ginger ale for rye, cola for wheat!
I don't want to give up the society and experiences I've enjoyed being a purist. But, I'm also not going to pursue 'speciality' anymore.
Is there a place for me in the bourbon encyclopedia? I -- if not the world -- wonder.

G.H.Adams
05-09-2011, 20:57
Tim

I think your ok. While I drink bourbon neat, a lot of time I will add ice or cola depending how I feel. We are all linked together by a love of bourbon and we are all different. Do what makes you feel good.

RyanL
05-09-2011, 21:20
I don't really mix bourbon at all right now. That is probably mostly because I just really got into it seriously in the past 4 months and I am excited to try lots of new ones. I've had plenty of jack and coke and crown and ginger ale's in my lifetime though. I personally wouldn't use any decent bourbon to make a mixed drink but that's just me. I prefer bourbon neat(or an old fashioned) so to me that would be a waste of it. When it comes down to it though it's your money and you're the one that has to drink it so drink it how you want.

I wouldn't suggest going to someone elses house and asking if they have any coke to add to the Pappy 23 they just poured you though. :eek:

T Comp
05-09-2011, 21:25
Hello. My name in Tim, and I used to only drink bourbon straight.
I spent a lot of money doing it; I made a lot of friends and acquaintances; I drank a lot of significant bottlings. I don't regret it.
Still, I couldn't keep it up. My resources were limited, both by income and attitude. Eventually, I had to admit it: I like bourbon, even mixed with cola or ginger ale (diet versions, usually).
It was hard to break the 'purist' habit, as both myself and others had come to view me as somewhat accomplished at tasting straight bourbon. I can still 'call' a flavor, in a pinch. But, it's a lot of trouble. Easier to 'call' the ginger ale or cola.:grin:
I still don't drink before 5 p.m. (weekends, especially Sundays, excepted). I don't drink if I expect to drive (or ride the motorcycle). I don't drive if I've had more than a modicum of drink. But -- I'll admit it! -- I enjoy the buzz!
Frankly, it's easier to down a good amount of bourbon with an auxiliary (if I spelled THAT correctly, I'm not drunk yet) cover. Ginger ale for rye, cola for wheat!
I don't want to give up the society and experiences I've enjoyed being a purist. But, I'm also not going to pursue 'speciality' anymore.
Is there a place for me in the bourbon encyclopedia? I -- if not the world -- wonder.

A man of your bourbon acumen can call his shots anyway he desires. For me, 90% is drunk straight but about twice a week and always before dinner, love to mix some bourbon and diet Ginger with lots of ice. My mixing bourbons are the BIB's from Bartons or Heaven Hill and if splurging Knob Creek. No cola ever. Once in a while a dash or two of bitters.

2highcal
05-09-2011, 21:41
If I mix it is only a teaspoon of water or so or an ice cube 95%of the time just neat

camduncan
05-09-2011, 22:05
I grew up and live in the country that is the biggest consumer of bourbon RTD's (Pre Mix cans & bottles eg Jim Beam and Cola) in the world..... Of course I mix bourbon with Coke :bigeyes: :grin:
I'd rekon 95 out 100 Australians who claim to be 'bourbon drinkers' are really saying they drink Jim Beam and Cola or Wild Turkey and Cola from a can or glass stubbie.

Virus_Of_Life
05-09-2011, 23:19
I cannot stand whiskey (any kind) and cola, the only time I mix bourbon or rye is with Disaronno which really do enjoy as I think they go well together; otherwise it is straight or occasionally with some ice. Cola and Captain Morgan is fine, but keep my whiskey out of it.

cds
05-10-2011, 01:42
I've been trying to drink up my Bulleit with orange juice or by making mint juleps.
Normally I will always drink neat, but I do enjoy the bourbon and juice. They seem to go well together!

tehbeardman
05-10-2011, 04:08
I've never been a big fan of bourbon and cola. I think it mixes much better with the likes of ginger ale or 7up. I can kind of understand the OP's situation. Sometimes on the weekends hanging out with friends (who are not bourbon people) I don't mind mixing because the palate can't keep up. And in those situations, I'm not wanting to sit and contemplate tastes and give the bourbon it's due diligence. IMO ginger ale still preserves the taste of the bourbon instead of covering it up.

If I'm at home, I'll make manhattans, mint juleps, old fashions, etc to change things up. My biggest problem with all of this is trying to decide what bourbon to mix or include in cocktails. I tend to feel guilty mixing anything I really enjoy neat. Most of the time I use EW Black label. Interested to hear what other people use.

MarkEdwards
05-10-2011, 04:23
Eventually, I had to admit it: I like bourbon, even mixed with cola or ginger ale (diet versions, usually).

The only time I mix is in the fall, when I make my 'eggnog blend' (equal parts bourbon, rum and brandy) to add to plain eggnog (or to perk up alcoholic eggnog).

Other than that, I couldn't bear to dilute my bourbon. I see nothing wrong with anyone else doing so, I just prefer mine neat.

Also, I think the word you are looking for is 'heretic'. :lol::lol:

Tucker
05-10-2011, 05:26
I'll mix only when it gets hot, which it's fixin' to do this week, and only the cheaper stuff with ginger ale over crushed ice.

chefnash51
05-10-2011, 05:26
I would say I drink whiskey neat 99% of the time. Sometimes I will get into a Manhattan mood and make a few, or at a restaurant/bar I may order one. Old fashions creep in once and awhile.

I generally find soda disgusting and I don't think I could ever make the switch to soda and whiskey most of the time, no matter the reason. I would probably rather go without whiskey at all if I had to choose between nothing and soda whiskey every night. But that's just me!

angler82
05-10-2011, 07:06
I drink my bourbon neat most of the time, followed by on the rocks.

In the last two years I've been getting into making fancy cocktails at home for the wife and guests. Thanks to the recommendations of some local Boston bartenders I've picked up a couple great books, my favorite being "Vintage Spirits and Forgotten Cocktails" (http://www.amazon.com/Vintage-Spirits-Forgotten-Cocktails-Alamagoozlum/dp/tags-on-product/1592535615).

When it comes to bourbon cocktails I like Manhattans and Seebachs. The Scofflaw is my go to rye cocktail.

If anyone has been to Death and Company in NYC (highly recommended), they make a drink called a Gold Rush that I had the recipe for in the past. It was a combination of Buffalo Trace, Applejack, maybe lemon, and Bittermen's bitters. If I could find it again I'll post it. It's one of my favorite bourbon cocktails.

unclebunk
05-10-2011, 07:10
I'll mix only when it gets hot, which it's fixin' to do this week, and only the cheaper stuff with ginger ale over crushed ice.

Same goes for me, though I tend to drink ginger ale and rye for the most part when I'm mixing. When made with Rittenhouse 80 or WT Rye, you've got yourself a winner!

kickert
05-10-2011, 07:31
I wouldn't suggest going to someone elses house and asking if they have any coke to add to the Pappy 23 they just poured you though. :eek:

Some friends and I went together to purchase a bottle of Pappy 20 to try. One person before even smelling it poured about 3oz of $0.50 coke into her $10 shot of Pappy.

cigarnv
05-10-2011, 07:53
On a warm evening bourbon and ginger ale (Blenheim redcap) is just what the doctor ordered.....

Flyfish
05-10-2011, 08:05
De gustibus non disputatum est--there's no arguing about taste. Bourbon enthusiasts (and even more so, Scotch enthusiasts) tend to focus on subtleties that are guaranteed to be obscured by cola or ginger ale. It seems to me there is no point in paying for premium bourbon and then hiding all of its virtues with a mixer. I make Manhattans with "value" bourbon.

bourbonbasement
05-10-2011, 08:17
The wide quality spectrum is part of the magic of whiskey. You can grab anything off the bottom shelf and make a nice mixed drink with cola, ginger ale, various juices or what-have-you.

Personally, I'm a huge fan of the Manhattan. I use rye if I want something with a bite, or Makers Mark if I need to satisfy my sweet tooth. Old fashioneds are good as well, but I can never seem to grind the sugar cubes properly, and peeling an orange is a pain.

My hard and fast rule is to never, ever use any bourbon that is not easily replaceable for mixed drinks. The top shelf and rare stuff is for neat or rocks drinking. Makers Mark flows like water around here, so why not experiment?

AaronWF
05-10-2011, 08:18
I hate soda, waaaay too much sugar, and I can't stand the taste of diet. I'll drink a ginger ale or a Coke for a sour stomach, but I think it's dangerous to mix liquor and sugar. From what I gather, it's the sugar in the liquor that gives your liver and other organs a hard time; adding soda puts a further burden on a part of me that I'd like to remain in good standing with for as long as possible.

I'll slip some bargain bourbon or Irish whisky into my coffee on the weekend, and I'll order a Manhattan at a bar or restaurant if I'm not particularly fond of the bottles on hand and I'm thirsty for a brown fix, but I see Jack & Cokes as a recipe for diabetes and cirrhosis. Maybe that's naive, I don't know.

pepcycle
05-10-2011, 09:44
There are no rules, only judges.

If you don't care what others think and you enjoy it, have at it.

I cook mushrooms with Pappy and make Zabaglione with Elmer T Lee instead of Marsala.

I also draw outside the lines and find lane markers a relatively useless invention for the unimaginative.

MarkEdwards
05-10-2011, 10:04
There are no rules, only judges.

If you don't care what others think and you enjoy it, have at it.

I cook mushrooms with Pappy and make Zabaglione with Elmer T Lee instead of Marsala.

I also draw outside the lines and find lane markers a relatively useless invention for the unimaginative.

Reminds me of the quote by Andrew Jackson, who stated "It's a damn poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a word," which can be paraphrased as "It's a damn poor mind that can only think of one way to have a drink."

I may be particular, but personal taste should dictate.

OscarV
05-10-2011, 12:40
To answer the thread's question, no.
Cola and bourbon tastes bad and water, well, it waters it down.
But if you have to add water remember what Pappy Van Winkle said on the subject.
Pour the water in your glass first then add bourbon. That way you will be improving something.
If you pour the bourbon in first and then add water you will be ruining something.

the Duff
05-10-2011, 13:44
I'll drink some cheap stuff; like EWB, FC, VOB, OGD; on ice for the after work happy hour. We're drinking socially, and the other guys really don't want to hear me go on and on about what's in my glass. The ice really does kill it. When I'm at the last swallow I normally pitch it cause its so watered down. I drink everything over $18 neat (and a lot of times the cheap stuff too). If I really don't care for a recent purchase I drink it with Sprite.

I used to take everything with ice and maybe even a dash of water, then I found you guys. Its really opened my mind up to what is good about whiskey.

jcg9779
05-10-2011, 14:03
I do enjoy a Manhattan or Old Fashioned every now and then when I'm out, but typically I drink my bourbon neat. Occasionally I do enjoy bourbon with ginger ale or Coke Zero during the summer...it's very refreshing to me.

callmeox
05-10-2011, 15:31
For 8 months out of the year bourbon gets mixed with my saliva and then the contents of my stomach shortly after. During the other 4, I am known to partake in a Manhattan, an Old Fashioned or even a good bourbon sour.

BFerguson
05-10-2011, 15:36
I certainly don't think there is anything wrong with mixing. For me a lot of the preference to mix can be weather dependent. Like today, nearing 85 and humid in southern MN, a well chilled old fashioned, or a heavy splash in some ginger in a tall glass with lots of ice, would really hit the spot.

But even that would be more for the daytime or late afternoon hours. The evening is still the realm of a great bottle neat.

Like somebody said previously, there is a bourbon for every situation.

Dang it's too hot too soon.

B

camduncan
05-10-2011, 15:52
On average, I probably drink 1 or 2 bourbon and cokes in every 10 drinks I pour, so I suppose I should elaborate.... I mainly drink bourbon and coke when it's hot, or when it's convenient (like visiting someone elses place or attending a party where I'm likely to be the only bourbon drinker.)
If I'm not buying a pre-mix bourbon and cola RTD, my bourbon of choice to mix with coke is Jim Beam White, but I will sometimes Evan Williams Black Label, Elijah Craig 12yo or Nelson County.
I would never normally mix a Pappy 15 or Bookers with coke (unless I'm not enjoying it and just want to finish the pour), but I occasionally sample a new bourbon that I've never tried before with Coke once only.

flintlock
05-10-2011, 16:38
I just can't mix bourbon - it tastes too delicious neat. I know a teaspoon of water can open up flavors, and I do that, but I don't use ice. I never liked "Jack and Coke", always thought it tasted awful, and the weird tastes of most mixed drinks largely turned me into a serious beer drinker.

Rum, on the other hand...:grin: if you can find a bar that has a good, dark, sweet rum (not Baccardi furniture cleaner) that makes a great Coke drink. But, in my experience so far, good luck with that...:rolleyes:

moose
05-10-2011, 17:35
It really depends on my mood, and what the bourbon in question is as to whether or not I'd mix it. I try to take most of them neat, as I get a much better appreciation for the bourbon itself, and it gives me a better overall drink. However if I am drinking in a social situation, and none of my choice bourbon's are to be had, then I have no issue mixing it with some Coke, Sprite, or sometimes ginger ale. I haven't had many manhattan's or old fashioned's, but I'd be likely to try each. I gotta say though, on a hot day, a strong pour of some bourbon over ice in a tall glass with a bit of sprite really hits the spot, usually I'd use Beam White label or Ezra Brooks for that duty. Anything that I have to spend $20+ on a bottle is a little senseless to mix, but if I don't care for it neat, then some soda maybe needed to coax down the pour.

TNbourbon
05-10-2011, 18:15
Jeez, you just never know what kind of thread is going to 'take off'!:bigeyes:
This was kind of a late-night, feeling-sorry-for-myself plaint just because I didn't want to go to the liquor store and buy cheap bourbon, and only had some single-barrel Ridgemont, Taylor Old Fashioned, or KC Single Barrel to drown in diet ginger ale (it wound up being the 1792).
It's interesting that most of you guys don't mix anything above sub-basement shelf with cola or ginger ale, et al. No wonder none of you thinks much of soda-pop whiskey!:grin:
Seriously, you do yourself no favors by buying at the bottom, even for mixers, unless you like the bourbon any way you try it. I don't buy Jim Beam 4yo White even to mix or for cooking, because I don't particularly care for its simplistic flavor, including neat (too much raw corn, even with the bit of cinnamon). And, yes, I've mixed Pappy 23, though as much as anything just to be able to say I had -- and it made a top-flight bourbon-and-cola!
And, while I certainly don't recommend dousing your best bottle regularly in soft drink, I'd advise steering clear of simple price shopping for that purpose. There are plenty of decently tasty, inexpensive bourbons -- my current fave, Old Crow Reserve (4yo/86-proof black label), and VOB BIB come to mind -- so it's just silly to say "I won't mix 'decent' bourbon!".
As for rum being the better mixer with cola, well -- I'm less likely to mix a rum I really like than bourbon. And, yet, I still do that, too. But a really good, 'neat' rum is a lot rarer than a really good bourbon, in my opinion. El Dorado 12yo. Check it out!
Anyway, thanks for the interesting -- as always here -- feedback, and quit being such bourbon snobs (Ay-ed and Cam excepted, it seems) :rolleyes: :slappin: !

LikeItWasSodaPop
05-11-2011, 00:02
I think this thread is a bit convoluted, in the sense that "mixing" is used with respect to: (A) cocktails and (B) simple "mixer"-style drinks like bourbon & coke, bourbon & ginger, etc.

I think this obscures an important part of the debate. IMHO, bourbon (or rye) can be an amazing ingredient in a well-crafted cocktail. So to answer the question: Of course I "mix" (or have brilliant bartenders like Paul at Chicago's Whistler mix for me) bourbon all the time.

To me, the travesty is mixing bourbon with some sort of industrial corn syrup bomb like Coke or, worse, some kind of carcinogen bomb like Diet Coke or whatever. I'm not saying it's not (potentially to some) enjoyable or "tasty" or "refreshing." It probably is, especially when it's hot outside. It just seems that while with cocktails, bourbon (or, usually, better, rye) can compliment its fellow ingredients, when mixed with the sugar bomb (or nutrasweet or whatever w/r/t Diet) that is most sodas, the nuances that bourbon brings are just subsumed entirely. I mean, can you tell the difference between the "kerosine mixed with butt-sweat" flavor of JB White with the pristine glory of PVW 15 when they're mixed with Diet Coke? I mean, can ya, bub? I'm not saying that the resulting drink might not be refreshing or satisfying on a hot night or won't get cute young girls to sleep with you with relatively no effort (IT REALLY WILL), I'm just saying that it does not reflect at all the nuances of the bourbon. And such defilement feels a bit wrong to me because it seems to neglect the qualities of the spirit. American whiskeys go well with certain things, like, say, vermouth + bitters, or a touch of absinthe + bitters. These calculations make sense to me, knowing the spirit. TOTAL CLOYING SUGAR BOMB + bourbon = blech to me.

I guess I'm saying that those who mix soda pop with bourbon are either college age girls or trying to sleep with college age girls or have the taste preference of college age girls.

No, that's probably wrong. No, I don't mean that. Sorry. Really, I'm sorry.

For those with no irony filters: I AM JOKING.

OK, you're right, I'm not.

T Comp
05-11-2011, 06:43
IFor those with no irony filters: I AM JOKING.

OK, you're right, I'm not.

The ultimate irony is that the the original poster is a legend who has probably tasted and owned some of the most valuable and sought after bourbons there are...at least I've heard.

TNbourbon
05-11-2011, 18:08
...I mean, can you tell the difference between the "kerosine mixed with butt-sweat" flavor of JB White with the pristine glory of PVW 15 when they're mixed with Diet Coke? I mean, can ya, bub?..
Yeah, I can. And anyone who's tried it can, too. Which is not to encourage you to try it if you don't want to. But, not trying it leaves you in lousy position to make empirical judgments about it.
And, though I don't do it all that often because I'm too lazy after working all day and coming home to a 'cold one', I certainly meant "mixing" to include cocktails.


The ultimate irony is that the the original poster is a legend who has probably tasted and owned some of the most valuable and sought after bourbons there are...at least I've heard.
(Shhhhh! Just don't tell 'em, Thad, if was me who told you, okay?:blush: :D)

Joeluka
05-11-2011, 18:25
I think Tim is right about the quality of what your mixing with. IMHO the better the ingredients the better the drink.

camduncan
05-11-2011, 19:28
I think Tim is right about the quality of what your mixing with. IMHO the better the ingredients the better the drink.

Amen to that......

barturtle
05-11-2011, 20:00
If you mean "mix" as in "make a classic cocktail such as a Manhattan or Sazerac" then yes.

If you mean "mix" as in "to adulterate an otherwise perfectly fine whiskey by the addition of some sort of soda (coke, pop, soft drink)" then no. And I think those who do should have their account restricted to the newbie forum.








:slappin:

TNbourbon
05-11-2011, 22:25
...And I think those who do should have their account restricted to the newbie forum...
Even if you've been present when I've done it?:skep: (It's usually how I end a 'session', with 'remainders'.)

camduncan
05-12-2011, 00:04
Even if you've been present when I've done it?:skep: (It's usually how I end a 'session', with 'remainders'.)

Busted Timothy...... well almost - doesn't that make you an accessory to the fact?.... or is it guilty by association?:slappin:

Virus_Of_Life
05-12-2011, 01:03
If you mean "mix" as in "to adulterate an otherwise perfectly fine whiskey by the addition of some sort of soda (coke, pop, soft drink)" then no.

I agree for the most part, I've tried jack and coke, beam white and coke, lot b and coke, WT rye and coke, glenlivet and coke, other bourbon and coke, and to be completely honest couldn't hardly tell any difference; none were to my liking. Furthermore I couldn't tell one from the other, maybe, but its a big maybe, I could tell the glenlivet but otherwise am pretty well convinced that all the acid and other additives in cola mask much of the discernible differences of one bourbon to another. To think what aspartame, sucralose or any of the other chemically enhanced sweteners do to a perfectly good whiskey just makes me cringe.

Ginger may be a different story, but I still add rum to that one.

Brisko
05-12-2011, 10:31
If I'm actually thirsty (as opposed to just "thirsty") I will occasionally do a bourbon/cola or rye and cola-- Beam rye and Coke has a nice cinnamon flavor to it. But generally, it's more that I'm in the mood for a soda, and why not make it worthwhile. Ginger ale, too, sometimes.

I used to do cocktails but most of the time now I find I prefer just spirits. the flavors are complex enough and I don't really want to dumb them down. That said, I agree with Joeluka-- better ingredients make better cocktails. And yes, you can tell the difference. Nowadays if I do a cocktail it's a bourbon with bitters, shaken with crushed ice and garnished with a cherry. But even that's a lot of work :grin:

gblick
05-12-2011, 13:16
Sometimes after I mow the lawn on a hot day, I'll cool off with an Old Fashioned made using WT Rye and orange bitters. Other than that I usually drink my bourbon/rye neat.

PappyVW23
05-12-2011, 14:31
I usually drink one bourbon, one scotch and one beer. i mix them in my stomach. :grin:

can't believe i beat everybody to that!

seriously, crown and ginger has been my drink for over 30 years. about 9 months ago i started drinking bourbon neat. I hated getting all filled up on beer and/or soda to get my buzz on. figured i'd pare things down a little. that developed into actually caring what the bourbon tasted like. after over doing that (as usual) i'm on the trajectory back down and will probably start mixing more often. Just picked up my first bottle of bitters ever. never had a manhatten or an old fashioned. any tips appreciated.

TNbourbon
05-12-2011, 16:54
...Just picked up my first bottle of bitters ever. never had a manhatten or an old fashioned. any tips appreciated.
Straight rye shows up better in a Manhattan, in my (and others') opinion. Not quite as crucial, I think, in an Old-Fashioned.
My own habit toward Manhattans is to pour out about half of the Maraschino cherry juice from their jar, and replace it with my choice of sweet vermouth. Put however many cherries you plan on in the bottom of a glass, add jar juice till covered, then add about 3 oz. straight rye. Three or four shakes (more is better than 'not enough') from the bitters. Shake with, or pour over, your crushed ice.
I like it, anyway. But what do I know -- I mix bourbon with 'pop'?:bigeyes: :grin:

Parkersback
05-12-2011, 17:03
I like it, anyway. But what do I know -- I mix bourbon with 'pop'?:bigeyes: :grin:


Ahhh, "pop". That's music to my Michigan ears.

lrochau
05-14-2011, 18:51
Had a bunch of mint julips last weekend for the race. Kind of laughed because it was the first time I've mixed bourbon with anything besides ice since the Breeders Cup in the fall.

Hard to believe I was a big Jack/Coke or BV/Coke guy two years ago.

jfw
05-15-2011, 21:48
Tim,

I drink bourbon straight, with a little ice or with some variety of diet pepsi. I almost always try ALL bourbons each way. Can I tell the difference between JBW/Makers/WT/Bookers, etc. in diet Pepsi? Damn right I can. So, if it's been produced in the last decade, I've probably mixed it with Pepsi on at least one occasion. Why would I want to drink a bourbon I don't like just because I'm mixing it with something?

I do get some weird looks from bartenders when I order a Woodford and diet pepsi. But, I've gotten over worrying about what other people think. If you have never had an ET Lee and diet wild cherry Pepsi, you just don't know what you are missing.

Hey, if I feel like drinking a glass of riesling with steak, I do that too.


Joe

StraightNoChaser
05-18-2011, 09:11
Bourbon cocktails are my favorite cocktails (second only to gin cocktails)! However, I'm not a fan of soda so it's the more "hand crafted" side of things that I'm into. Manhattans, Mint Juleps, Old Fashioneds, Sazeracs... I could go on forever! And luckily with this new mixology crazy people are coming up with some excellent combinations. Here's one of my new favorites, made for me by the bar manager at Victor Tango's in Dallas:

1oz bourbon (I use OWA107)
1oz Noilly Prat
1oz Cointreau
Dash of Angostura and Peychaud's
Splash of simple syrup or pinch of sugar (optional)
Stir all ingredients together with ice, strain into a chilled martini glass or similar, garnish with a flamed orange peel

Might sound a bit fruity but if you're daring and like trying new things I highly recommend it!