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Shell
08-08-2011, 09:23
I just noticed that the Woodford Reserve Master Cask Rye has recently been released. The State of MI price list posted the price (in early August) at $44.97 (+6% sales tax) - for a 375 ml bottle (as the minimum retail price in MI). It strikes me as a pretty high price.

Has anyone had the opportunity to sample this new Rye?

Gillman
08-08-2011, 10:26
Good catch on this, I don't recall reading about it earlier on SB unless Chuck C mentioned it. It's part of the Masters Collection of WR I would think, or does "master cask" mean something else or in addition?

Chuck has some good information on a series of planned rye, and rye mash whiskey, releases from WR here:

http://chuckcowdery.blogspot.com/2010/08/woodford-masters-collection-future.html

This new one must be one of the two ryes mentioned.

Gary

Shell
08-08-2011, 10:54
Good catch on this, I don't recall reading about it earlier on SB unless Chuck C mentioned it. It's part of the Masters Collection of WR I would think, or does "master cask" mean something else or in addition?

Chuck has some good information on a series of planned rye, and rye mash whiskey, releases from WR here:

http://chuckcowdery.blogspot.com/2010/08/woodford-masters-collection-future.html

This new one must be one of the two ryes mentioned.

Gary

Yes, it seems to be one the ryes planned for a 2011 release in the Woodford Master series. I did a quick search, and could not find any reviews of it.

StraightNoChaser
08-08-2011, 11:32
Chris Morris told us at the WR Bourbon Academy in April that this year's Master Collection will be a 100% straight rye, triple pot still distilled

2013 will be a single malt if I remember correctly

StraightNoChaser
08-08-2011, 11:33
Good catch on this, I don't recall reading about it earlier on SB unless Chuck C mentioned it. It's part of the Masters Collection of WR I would think, or does "master cask" mean something else or in addition?

Chuck has some good information on a series of planned rye, and rye mash whiskey, releases from WR here:

http://chuckcowdery.blogspot.com/2010/08/woodford-masters-collection-future.html

This new one must be one of the two ryes mentioned.

Gary
Herradura finished WR? That sounds... odd to say the least

OscarV
08-08-2011, 14:30
Will it only be in a 375 ml bottle?

Shell
08-08-2011, 14:48
Will it only be in a 375 ml bottle?

I couldn't find anything on Woodford Reserve's web site - other that a very brief paragraph about their Woodford Master Collection. In fact, the web site as a whole is quite non-informative.

foodrepublic.com had a 5/31/2001 post about it and wrote that the two Woodford Reserve Rare Rye Selections would come in 375 ml bottles. (See: http://www.foodrepublic.com/2011/05/31/5-new-high-proof-ryes)

BradleyC
08-08-2011, 15:24
I wonder if the WR guys have been reading these threads and took everyone's suggestion to put the Master's Collection in 375s

BFerguson
08-08-2011, 19:18
Herradura finished WR? That sounds... odd to say the least

Which is actually kind of funny in itself. Herradura is owned by Brown-Forman, which also owns Jack Daniels, whose used barrels are used to age Herradura, which is now going to be used to age/finish WR??

And yes, WR is also in the B-F stable of brands also.

Whooow.....talk about coming full circle and recycling. At least the barrels probably are not completely spent by the time the come around to WR again, but they can't have that much oomph left in them.

Man, how cheap are they not to buy new barrels!!!

B

ebo
08-08-2011, 19:46
Will this be available where regular WR is sold?

StraightNoChaser
08-09-2011, 08:40
Which is actually kind of funny in itself. Herradura is owned by Brown-Forman, which also owns Jack Daniels, whose used barrels are used to age Herradura, which is now going to be used to age/finish WR??

And yes, WR is also in the B-F stable of brands also.

Whooow.....talk about coming full circle and recycling. At least the barrels probably are not completely spent by the time the come around to WR again, but they can't have that much oomph left in them.

Man, how cheap are they not to buy new barrels!!!

B
My thoughts exactly. From Jack, to Herradura, to Woodford?? Quite the sordid menage a trois

Shell
08-09-2011, 10:51
... At least the barrels probably are not completely spent by the time the come around to WR again, but they can't have that much oomph left in them.
Man, how cheap are they not to buy new barrels!!!
B

I can't speak to the used tequila barrels, but used barrels for the rye whiskey (no doubt used bourbon barrels) is interesting. Remember that Scotch whisky, and Irish whiskey I believe, are all aged in used bourbon barrels. Some Canadian whisky is also aged in used Bourbon barrels.

It may give the rye whiskey a distinct flavor.

Jono
08-09-2011, 14:41
Which is actually kind of funny in itself. Herradura is owned by Brown-Forman, which also owns Jack Daniels, whose used barrels are used to age Herradura, which is now going to be used to age/finish WR??

And yes, WR is also in the B-F stable of brands also.

Whooow.....talk about coming full circle and recycling. At least the barrels probably are not completely spent by the time the come around to WR again, but they can't have that much oomph left in them.

Man, how cheap are they not to buy new barrels!!!

B

I have never heard of whiskey aged in tequila barrels. Is there a taste profile they are looking for in the finish? I can't imagine what tequila would add...
Are there other examples of tequila barrels used for a whiskey?

BFerguson
08-10-2011, 05:44
I can't speak to the used tequila barrels, but used barrels for the rye whiskey (no doubt used bourbon barrels) is interesting. Remember that Scotch whisky, and Irish whiskey I believe, are all aged in used bourbon barrels. Some Canadian whisky is also aged in used Bourbon barrels.

It may give the rye whiskey a distinct flavor.


I'm just not sure that it would be a flavor that i'm looking for in my rye/bourbon.

While some well made, aged tequila products do contain similar, complementary flavor notes to bourbon, they also have that distinct tequila "note" that i'm just not into that much.

I think I'd like to try this before buying.

B

doubleblank
08-10-2011, 06:16
And tequila is originally aged in used bourbon barrels. So rye aged in a barrel that first contained bourbon, then tequila follwed by rye.

Randy

bourbonv
08-10-2011, 07:21
It was my understanding that they are making two types of rye one barrel entry 100 proof and the other with used cooperage and barrel entry of 86 proof and they were going to sell it as a single package of two 375 bottles. At least that is what Chris Morris was saying at the last Woodford Bourbon Academy.

Mike Veach

StraightNoChaser
09-06-2011, 09:00
Pictures just hit the internet

Apparently one is aged in new oak and the other in used oak

White Dog
09-06-2011, 20:55
Any new Rye that is not made at LDI is great news. (Even if it is overpriced.)

BradleyC
09-06-2011, 20:57
If you zoom in on the pic a little you can barely read the New Cask is a Kentucky Straight Rye whiskey while the Aged Cask is Whiskey Distilled From Rye Mash. I'm interested to try both. Going into it I would think the aged cask might be lacking some of the colors and flavors the new barrels provide. I'm not sure why I think that but should be interesting enough to find out.

jburlowski
09-07-2011, 15:47
Any idea of the age?

cowdery
09-11-2011, 16:59
Eight years, if I remember correctly.

They are the exact same whiskey except for the type of cask used. The great difference in the TTB designations is a function of the peculiarities of the rules. Because it is aged in used cooperage it can't be called straight and can't even be called 'rye whiskey,' and so the only prescribed designation that allows you to say 'rye' is 'whiskey distilled from rye mash.'

Shell
09-12-2011, 11:27
Eight years, if I remember correctly.

They are the exact same whiskey except for the type of cask used. The great difference in the TTB designations is a function of the peculiarities of the rules. Because it is aged in used cooperage it can't be called straight and can't even be called 'rye whiskey,' and so the only prescribed designation that allows you to say 'rye' is 'whiskey distilled from rye mash.'


Do these designations by the U.S. Dept. of Treasury's Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau (TTB) apply only to alcohol produced in the U.S? Single-malt scotch, for example, are aged in refill bourbon casks and are designated 'single malt scotch' on the label.

Thanks,

cowdery
09-12-2011, 17:12
The TTB rules for scotch and Irish say, in effect, "If the label is okay under Scottish (or Irish) law, it's okay with us." It definitely applies to U.S.-made whiskey, but there is a dispute right now about whether or not it should apply, for example, to English whiskey too.

Shell
09-14-2011, 14:13
I just noticed that the Woodford Reserve Master Cask Rye has recently been released. ... Has anyone had the opportunity to sample this new Rye?

Has anyone had the opportunity to try it?