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dridge11
11-10-2011, 07:50
Got a killer dinner lined up, having some friends over and popping an 1986 Pichon Lalande.

Jono
11-10-2011, 10:44
Ah, the big bucks bottle - $250+! Appears to have 97 and 96 ratings....let us know if the price / quality are a match. Of course, it is a subjective experience but is the $200 extra over a $50 dollar bottle "worth" it?

One blogger calls it the "The Willat Effect: Side-by-Side Comparisons Create Connoisseurs"

http://blog.sethroberts.net/2011/07/08/the-willat-effect-side-by-side-comparisons-create-connoisseurs/

At what point does rarity - price overtake quality?

GreggJ
11-10-2011, 13:14
I used to spend that kind of $ on my wine. Then I started drinking whisk(e)y's and could not shake the idea that I can drink that $200 bottle in under 2 hours and it will take me 3 weeks to drink that bottle of bourbon. I now only drink what I have cellared and rarely spend over $75 on a bottle of wine (Caymus Napa Cab) Is still one of my favorites.

My wine budget has been re allocated to whisk(e)ys but, I still enjoy a nice cab, meritage, barolo when the time comes.

I bet that wine was excellent, and you will remember when you had it and who you were with.

I hope it was a memorable experience.

T Comp
11-10-2011, 19:30
I used to spend that kind of $ on my wine. Then I started drinking whisk(e)y's and could not shake the idea that I can drink that $200 bottle in under 2 hours and it will take me 3 weeks to drink that bottle of bourbon. I now only drink what I have cellared and rarely spend over $75 on a bottle of wine (Caymus Napa Cab) Is still one of my favorites.

My wine budget has been re allocated to whisk(e)ys but, I still enjoy a nice cab, meritage, barolo when the time comes. ...


Sums up my feelings as a lapsed wine guy (though $100 was the most I ever spent). My bunkered bottles are almost extinct and rarely do I spend more than $15 now and closer to $10 . I make an occasional exception for amarone, Oregon pinots and the classic Napa's like your mentioned Caymus but not often.

dridge11
11-11-2011, 08:12
Sadly, the bottle was corked and ended up going down the drain. You win some, you lose some. I guess corked bottles isn't something you run into a lot with bourbon. I have one more bottle, hope it shows better.

I buy a few special higher priced bottles every so often, but I also work in the industry so I'm able to really pick and choose wisely. Most of my wine buying is in the $35-$75 range across all regions. I'm probably in the 500 bottle range in my cellar.

Tonight is a 09 Didier Dagueneau tasting with some friends. About 12 of us and 10 bottles. For me, the wines are more about celebrating the friendships of the people you open them with.

Jono
11-11-2011, 08:59
Being in Napa and in the business certainly is a +++!

Do you usually end the evening with a dessert wine, or if the evening
goes on long enough, a small whiskey? It can be a bad mix if one has
over indulged, however, a nice dinner helps avoid those issues.

Have a great evening "celebrating the friendships of the people you open them with." Very true.

Here is a request you can help SB with:

A list of moderate priced ($20-50) wines for Thanksgiving.

dean_martin
11-11-2011, 10:45
Here is a request you can help SB with:

A list of moderate priced ($20-50) wines for Thanksgiving.

Wonderful request, Jono! Although I'm considering smoking a sirloin tip roast this year, what wine pairs well with the traditional turkey dinner is a question I've often pondered during the holidays but never took the time to research.

Jono
11-11-2011, 10:50
We usually have both red (not a Cab or high tannin variety) and white because the flavors are so mixed with Turkey, stuffing, sweet potato and all of the sides.

dridge11
11-11-2011, 11:29
Jono...I don't usually mix my alcohols, but if I do, I start with the whiskey, them move to wine. I don't usually end with sweet wines...last night we switched to an 05 St Emilion when the 86 let me down. We went to a 1937 dry Barsac after that which was surprisingly alive, a little sherry-like, but still good acidity. Then had a Billecart Rose to cap the evening.

As for wine suggestions, one that I'm serving with turkey is the 2009 O'Connor Russian River Pinot Noir, absolutely killer Pinot, tiny production, we sell it for $32, but you probably won't find it outside CA (unless I send it to you). Au Bon Climat Pinot is pretty solid and more widely available. I like Pinot with Turkey. If you're going with a darker meat, I'd be pulling a Rhone. 2009 Clos St Jean Chateauneuf du Pape VV at $45 is insanely good. Or an 07 Rayas La Pialaide Cotes Du Rhone would do the trick at $36. As for white, I'd probably go Sauvignon Blanc over Chardonnay myself...I like the acidity with the savory food. Lots of good ones to choose from there.

Jono
11-11-2011, 12:11
Thanks for selections...I see Binnys has the Au Bon Climat Pinot....from different vintners?

http://www.binnys.com/wine/search/?advs=1&astxt=Au%20Bon%20Climat%20Pinot

07,08, 09.....I think you are referring to the 08 Au Bon Climat Pinot Noir Knox Alexander?

dridge11
11-11-2011, 12:38
All of those are "Au Bon Climat" wines, just different vineyard designates. All should be tasty. Looking at their other Pinot suggestions online, you might also do well with:

Dehlinger
Failla (one of my other favs)
Nothing wrong with La Crema
Loring
Siduri
Walter Hansel

Jono
11-11-2011, 12:45
Great! I will certainly be looking for some of these!

SDpappy
01-14-2012, 23:42
Drank a Beringer Private Reserve chardonnay tonight. Not for everyone since it's a big wine but I enjoyed it!

Had another corked Brunello but thankfully the store I bought it at has agreed to take it back.

Billy Bourbon
01-15-2012, 00:33
Sadly, the bottle was corked and ended up going down the drain. You win some, you lose some. I guess corked bottles isn't something you run into a lot with bourbon. I have one more bottle, hope it shows better.

I buy a few special higher priced bottles every so often, but I also work in the industry so I'm able to really pick and choose wisely. Most of my wine buying is in the $35-$75 range across all regions. I'm probably in the 500 bottle range in my cellar.

Tonight is a 09 Didier Dagueneau tasting with some friends. About 12 of us and 10 bottles. For me, the wines are more about celebrating the friendships of the people you open them with.

I bout shit my britches! Does this happen often with $200 wine???? :bigeyes: Good point about friends and memories.

SDpappy
01-15-2012, 09:41
I'd say an average of 1 bottle out of a case might have some issues with being corked but I know some wineries use expensive corks and claim they have much lower %.

ratcheer
01-15-2012, 11:36
I am a wine lover, but I don't really know enough to discuss it, intelligently. The best bottle I ever had was a Chateau Margeaux, back in the late 80's. The next time I tried to buy it, the price had shot through the sky, about triple what I had paid that time.

Tim

dridge11
01-18-2012, 16:16
Yeah, Margaux is a nice one...I've only had it a few times, got a couple in the cellar. The prices of all the 1st growths went up tremendously, but they are starting to come back down a bit. There are a lot of good buys out there, but my money lately has been going toward Rhone, Italy, and Loire.

Speaking of, tonight is dinner with some friends and:

2010 Pelle Menetou Salon Clos Blanchais
1985 Marcarini Barolo Brunate
1989 Jaboulet Hermitage La Chapelle

Tico
01-18-2012, 16:19
Yeah, Margaux is a nice one...I've only had it a few times, got a couple in the cellar. The prices of all the 1st growths went up tremendously, but they are starting to come back down a bit. There are a lot of good buys out there, but my money lately has been going toward Rhone, Italy, and Loire.

Speaking of, tonight is dinner with some friends and:

2010 Pelle Menetou Salon Clos Blanchais
1985 Marcarini Barolo Brunate
1989 Jaboulet Hermitage La Chapelle

that la chapelle should be killer, love the 89

dridge11
01-18-2012, 16:25
Hoping so, the last one was great...Gonna bring a 98 Guigal Chateau d'Ampuis as a backup in case it doesn't show well for some reason.

yountvillewjs
01-18-2012, 17:22
blah blah -- all this wine talk. Sounds so much like.... my day job :slappin:

Cool thread -- dridge is a good dude and knows a lot about wine. Even if his palate is suspect.

SDpappy -- while it is impossible to know what the actual rate of cork taint is (most people aren't able to tell -- whether it be lack of experience in total or with that particular bottling or with the flaw in general) I do believe it to be much much lower than 5% on the kind of wines we are talking about here. And by talking about, I'm talking about the good kind that I make and is made in Napa -- not that French swill that dridge likes.

SDpappy
01-18-2012, 18:49
For Mondavi Reserve, I bought about 2 cases a few years back on clearance and so far 4 of them have been corked...:(

I know I will probably jinx myself for saying this but I've never had a corked Carlisle or RMarie :grin: ...With these two mailers, I might not have a bourbon fund for the rest of the year...


You know how the wine forum is having WB day where a lot of producers are having discounts on their products? Obviously spirits have different rules but how cool would it be if that would be possible!

dridge11
01-19-2012, 09:06
By the way, all the wines killed it last night. Also had an 09 Dominique Lafon white burg and an 09 Relic Petite Sirah. Also, Solbar rules.