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wripvanwrinkle
11-18-2011, 18:44
I apologize in advance as I'm almost certain that this has been discussed. Unfortunately though, I was unable to find the the appropriate thread.

I think that Colorado did not distribite the Spring Van Winkle allocation. Today, i was fortunate enough to pick up a bottle of PVW 15. This led me to wonder if my bottle was from the Spring 2011 or Fall 2011 distribution.

I'm unsure if there is a way to truly date these bottles, but on the bottle's side (near the bottom) is a dot matrix printed value. The value on my bottle reads:

K0760908:13

This compares to the value from the bottle that I bought last year:

K0750912:51

Do these values somehow decode to a bottled on date? If not, are they sequential? If sequential, does anyone know the ranges that correspond to the appropriate releases?

jeanraulmitchell
11-18-2011, 18:56
A bottle I got in the spring reads K0780907:21. It was purchased in Los Angeles.

RyanL
11-18-2011, 19:25
This has been asked before and someone answered it but I'm not sure where and I don't remember the details of what they said but the info is on here somewhere.

silverfish
11-19-2011, 09:33
I'm unsure if there is a way to truly date these bottles, but on the bottle's side (near the bottom) is a dot matrix printed value. The value on my bottle reads:

K0760908:13

This compares to the value from the bottle that I bought last year:

K0750912:51


Like Ryan, I recall seeing the explanation recently but can't
recall where.

I believe the last four are time - 08:13 am and 12:51 pm.
The 09 before that is the year (2009) and the letters and
first three numbers are month & date but I'm not sure how
they translate.

sku
11-19-2011, 10:09
K0760908:13



K bottling line
76th day of the year (March 17 - Happy St. Patty's Day :) )
2009
8:13am

bcrossan
11-19-2011, 10:49
Where exactly is the code? I have never noticed before and I just grabbed one of mine from the Spring 2011 release and can't seem to find a code

bcrossan
11-19-2011, 10:54
Where exactly is the code? I have never noticed before and I just grabbed one of mine from the Spring 2011 release and can't seem to find a code

Nevermind. The one I grabbed had it covered by the label, so I could read it through the front but inverted.

wripvanwrinkle
11-19-2011, 11:06
K bottling line
76th day of the year (March 17 - Happy St. Patty's Day :) )
2009
8:13am

Thanks, Sku! I was thinking that the 076 was probably a julian date, but for some reason thought that they usually bottled in the fall.

sku
11-19-2011, 12:27
So I wonder why these (the ones that have been listed in this thread) all seem to have 2009 bottling dates?

smokinjoe
11-19-2011, 13:06
So I wonder why these (the ones that have been listed in this thread) all seem to have 2009 bottling dates?

In the PVW Clarification thread in November of 2010, Julian Van Winkle posted:

"In the last couple of years, we bottled up a 2-3 year supply of 15, 16 year to sell as 15 year Pappy. We still have some 20 year S/W in barrels to bottle as 20 year."

I believe he was confirming at the time that all of that whiskey was SW, but it may also indicate that they did a big bottling, and have been piecemealing it out, since. So, I guess you could infer that this falls release is from the same bottling as the last couple of releases.

Clavius
11-19-2011, 13:07
The two bottles of 15 that I got from the latest release have the following numbers:

Bottle #1: K3001107:46
Bottle #2: K3001107:34

bad_scientist
11-19-2011, 13:08
In the PVW Clarification thread in November of 2010, Julian Van Winkle posted:

"In the last couple of years, we bottled up a 2-3 year supply of 15, 16 year to sell as 15 year Pappy. We still have some 20 year S/W in barrels to bottle as 20 year."

I believe he was confirming at the time that all of that whiskey was SW, but it may also indicate that they did a big bottling, and have been piecemealing it out, since. So, I guess you could infer that this falls release is from the same bottling as the last couple of releases.

Except that he said that the 15 year is now BT, and was worried how it would be received.

Josh
11-19-2011, 13:24
Ah, the Julian Calendar.

sku
11-19-2011, 13:32
So it sounds like they did a big SW bottling in 09 that held them through 2010 and maybe even constituted some of this year's release and then did a BT run this year.

Chris24
11-20-2011, 00:39
Except that he said that the 15 year is now BT, and was worried how it would be received.

So...it's out now. SW or not, how does it taste?

BFerguson
11-20-2011, 04:35
So...it's out now. SW or not, how does it taste?

Yes it is. Listen to the recent K&L podcast from their spirits page, and Preston clearly stated the the 15yr is now BT distillate.

Haven't seen the new bottles yet myself. Somebody else will have to weigh in.

B

smokinjoe
11-20-2011, 05:28
So it sounds like they did a big SW bottling in 09 that held them through 2010 and maybe even constituted some of this year's release and then did a BT run this year.

That's what it sounds like to me, too.

For those interested, I've PM'd Kickert to have him check the bottles he picked up for me in Djibouti, to see when they were bottled. ;)

BradleyC
11-20-2011, 05:55
That's what it sounds like to me, too.

For those interested, I've PM'd Kickert to have him check the bottles he picked up for me in Djibouti, to see when they were bottled. ;)


Those were actually bottled NEXT fall (9/2012). By transferring the barrels to the rickhouse in Djibouti they were able to stop the aging process and keep the never ending 1992 distillate from getting any older. The laser code has a "DJ" in the beginning of the code indicating it came off the Djibouti bottling line.

smokinjoe
11-20-2011, 06:40
Those were actually bottled NEXT fall (9/2012). By transferring the barrels to the rickhouse in Djibouti they were able to stop the aging process and keep the never ending 1992 distillate from getting any older. The laser code has a "DJ" in the beginning of the code indicating it came off the Djibouti bottling line.

:lol: Well done, sir.
.....................

clingman71
11-20-2011, 07:30
The two bottles of 15 that I got from the latest release have the following numbers:

Bottle #1: K3001107:46
Bottle #2: K3001107:34


What does the letter signify? Mine are all "N"s

N3001109:24 x2
N3001109:27

sku
11-20-2011, 07:35
What does the letter signify? Mine are all "N"s

N3001109:24 x2
N3001109:27

The letter is the bottling line at BT.

sku
11-20-2011, 09:20
That's what it sounds like to me, too.

Cue hundreds of people calling their retailer saying they don't just want a PVW 15, they want a 2009.

BFerguson
11-20-2011, 10:18
The letter is the bottling line at BT.

Do you know the total number of lines, and corresponding letters for BT? Are there more than the two?

Inquiring minds want to know.

B

MacinJosh
11-20-2011, 11:39
Yes it is. Listen to the recent K&L podcast from their spirits page, and Preston clearly stated the the 15yr is now BT distillate.

Haven't seen the new bottles yet myself. Somebody else will have to weigh in.

B

Link: http://spiritsjournal.klwines.com/klwinescom-spirits-blog/2011/11/17/kl-spirits-podcast-21-j-preston-van-winkle.html

Start at the 14:00 mark.

Josh
11-20-2011, 11:50
We seem to be forgetting about Bernheim distillate here and the fact that the Van Winkles may be blending the products of multiple distilleries.

As for what Preston said, the Van Winkles have said so many different things over the years I would take that with a sizable grain of salt.

clingman71
11-20-2011, 12:44
We seem to be forgetting about Bernheim distillate here and the fact that the Van Winkles may be blending the products of multiple distilleries.

As for what Preston said, the Van Winkles have said so many different things over the years I would take that with a sizable grain of salt.

I've been wondering about this very thing. Saying that the 20&23 are still SW doesn't mean that the 15 is singularly BT and not a blend of Bernheim and BT, and SW for that matter. Regardless, I'm 3 pours or so into my first '11 PVW15 and it is fantastic. My spring '11 10/107s are excellent as well, and I would assume that they are BT. I have faith that the quality at BT distillery along with VW selection will keep the VW product solid for years to come.

Josh
11-20-2011, 12:52
Regardless, I'm 3 pours or so into my first '11 PVW15 and it is fantastic. My spring '11 10/107s are excellent as well, and I would assume that they are BT. I have faith that the quality at BT distillery along with VW selection will keep the VW product solid for years to come.

That's for sure!

SMOWK
11-20-2011, 13:16
To me, my current bottles of ORVW 10/107 are on the same level as any Pappy 15 release to date. I've only had the pleasure of drinking one bottle of the squat ORVW 15/107. While excellent, I didn't have anything to compare it to at the time, nor much knowledge of bourbon other than "I know what I like." And I liked it a lot.

For all I know they changed from SW to XXX when the bottle changed shape, or haven't at all, or partially did, or possibly go back and forth. I've read forums and stuff, and it's hard to make a better assumption than that.

luther.r
11-25-2011, 22:20
Question related this topic: I have a PVW20 here that I cannot find dot matrix numbers on anywhere. I've looked for one under the labels with a flashlight, as well as all over the exposed glass. Is there a certain year they started using them?

Enoch
11-26-2011, 05:32
This got me interested in my PVW15 bottles, all bought either fall 10 or spring 11 from several stores. All are 09 except one which has K2140710:15 which would make it an 07 (must have been in the backroom of the store for awhile). When I get near the end of the current open bottle I will compare them.

bcrossan
11-26-2011, 06:17
Question related this topic: I have a PVW20 here that I cannot find dot matrix numbers on anywhere. I've looked for one under the labels with a flashlight, as well as all over the exposed glass. Is there a certain year they started using them?

some of mine are covered by the label. Try reading from the front to see if it is behind the back label.

luther.r
11-26-2011, 09:41
some of mine are covered by the label. Try reading from the front to see if it is behind the back label.

If it's there, it's too faint to be seen from the front. I tried with the flashlight last night, and today I used sunlight to try to find it again. No such luck. This bottle was in a small town and had possibly been sitting for a while though. That's why I wondered if there was a period when they weren't printing them.

BFerguson
11-26-2011, 15:32
This got me interested in my PVW15 bottles, all bought either fall 10 or spring 11 from several stores. All are 09 except one which has K2140710:15 which would make it an 07 (must have been in the backroom of the store for awhile). When I get near the end of the current open bottle I will compare them.

Did the same today. Spring 11 were all 09 dated. Fall 11 were 11. Nothing older due to general consumption.

B

MacinJosh
11-26-2011, 18:50
Luther, search for the Fall Pappy Allocation thread and check out the pictures I posted of my PVW15 date codes there. It's possible to use a flashlight to find them but it's hard.


Josh

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luther.r
11-26-2011, 23:59
Luther, search for the Fall Pappy Allocation thread and check out the pictures I posted of my PVW15 date codes there. It's possible to use a flashlight to find them but it's hard.


Hi Josh,

Thanks for the tip. I looked at your pics and my bottle just doesn't have a date there like yours. I tried shining from back to front and front to back, but it's not showing up. Maybe this one fell through the cracks during bottling.

MacinJosh
11-29-2011, 08:52
Interesting! Maybe you're right and it didn't get a date stamp! Very peculiar!


Josh

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tommyboy38
11-30-2011, 18:38
Some of the PVW 20's have the date printed in invisible ink.

CaptainQ
11-30-2011, 18:45
Some of the PVW 20's have the date printed in invisible ink.

Tom, those were only the bottles sold in Estonia.

DeanSheen
11-30-2011, 18:46
Some of the PVW 20's have the date printed in invisible ink.

Nominated. POTD 11/30/2011

tommyboy38
11-30-2011, 18:50
PM me and I'll tell tell you what you need to develop the ink.

luther.r
03-08-2012, 08:54
I picked up a 2012 spring release Pappy 15 last night and the dot matrix numbering system seems to have changed. I don't have the bottle in front of me, but it was something like:

B1202613:05

So I'd assume the first two digits after the letter are now the year, the next three digits are the day, and the last four are the time.

SMOWK
03-08-2012, 14:37
My guess is that it was supposed to be set aside for the Fall 2026 release.

Rockefeller
03-08-2012, 15:48
I don't have the bottle in front of me, but it was something like

So he's pretty much recalling a 10 digit code purely from memory ... while drinking 107 proof bourbon.

I'm skeptical that there is a new number code.

luther.r
03-08-2012, 16:15
So he's pretty much recalling a 10 digit code purely from memory ... while drinking 107 proof bourbon.

I'm skeptical that there is a new number code.

Haha ok jokers, here's a photo. If you think these numbers are hard to read, try getting a good pic.

My bottle's actual number is B1202515:36M

Jonny.Applebury
03-08-2012, 21:48
That is infinitely easier to read than the bottlings from 2009 and prior. I've had to look through the whiskey onto the far side and read the numbers backwards for some of my older PVW15 bottles. I wonder if they used to timestamp them, and then put the labels on. I can't imagine how else the numbers would get behind the label. Also, the dot matrix print was smaller and less pronounced.

Tico
03-08-2012, 22:27
I'd say that maybe this is an anomaly unless we start to see bottle codes like this pop up in the spring 2012 release.

On another note I can't seem to find any bottle codes on the VWFRR that I picked up from the fall 2011 release but everything else PVW 15,20,23 has codes.

hectic1
03-09-2012, 06:21
I'd say that maybe this is an anomaly unless we start to see bottle codes like this pop up in the spring 2012 release.

On another note I can't seem to find any bottle codes on the VWFRR that I picked up from the fall 2011 release but everything else PVW 15,20,23 has codes.
IIRC it's probably because the VWFRR has been bottled for a couple years now...they kept it in the tank and bottled it similar to what they did with Pappy 15 back in 2009.

Rockefeller
03-09-2012, 07:30
IIRC it's probably because the VWFRR has been bottled for a couple years now...they kept it in the tank and bottled it similar to what they did with Pappy 15 back in 2009.

Mine still have codes. I have one bottle where the entire code is covered by the back label. You may have to either hold it at the exact correct angle OR finish the bottle and look at it then.

MacinJosh
03-11-2012, 07:37
That is infinitely easier to read than the bottlings from 2009 and prior. I've had to look through the whiskey onto the far side and read the numbers backwards for some of my older PVW15 bottles. I wonder if they used to timestamp them, and then put the labels on. I can't imagine how else the numbers would get behind the label. Also, the dot matrix print was smaller and less pronounced.

You mean like these? :D

Pictures were taken by shining a flashlight from the opposite side through the bottle. They definitely put the date code on before the label.

luther.r
03-14-2012, 22:08
Picked up another current release Pappy 15 from a different store tonight. Here's the number:
B1202516:24M
So it's at least not a one-bottle anomaly. We can't rule out a one-batch anomaly until people from different regions pipe in though.

jeanraulmitchell
03-14-2012, 23:01
Picked up another current release Pappy 15 from a different store tonight. Here's the number:
B1202516:24M
So it's at least not a one-bottle anomaly. We can't rule out a one-batch anomaly until people from different regions pipe in though.


Looks pretty logical, however no one else is posting dot matrix codes for their 2012 PVW allocation yet. I'd say it was bottled February 5, 2012 at 4:24PM. That would also coincide with this Spring's allocation, I would guess.

clingman71
03-15-2012, 06:00
Picked up another current release Pappy 15 from a different store tonight. Here's the number:
B1202516:24M
So it's at least not a one-bottle anomaly. We can't rule out a one-batch anomaly until people from different regions pipe in though.

I understand that to be bottling line B, 2012, date 025- either Jan 25 or Feb 5 4:24pm.

HP12
03-15-2012, 06:15
FWIW...on the ORVW Facebook page, they posted:

"We are sampling barrels for the spring release. We will post when we have a better idea of when the release will go out. January 10 at 9:31am

The next status update posted by VW:

"Spring bottling is complete." February 13 at 12:19pm.

Using the Julian calendar, your read of being bottled Jan25 would be correct.

luther.r
03-15-2012, 06:21
Using the Julian calendar, your read of being bottled Jan25 would be correct.


Right, with the old system the date was the number of the day out of 365. So if it was bottled today it would say 075 (counting leap day).

coltcannon
03-15-2012, 09:30
Was dusting off the bottles today and finally checked out the codes from my bottles I picked up spring '11. Both PVW15 are K0790910:58

Rockefeller
03-15-2012, 12:15
Was dusting off the bottles today and finally checked out the codes from my bottles I picked up spring '11. Both PVW15 are K0790910:58

So you actually purchased '09 SW juice.

luther.r
03-15-2012, 12:39
So you actually purchased '09 SW juice.

As far as I know, all the Pappy 15 sold in 2010 and spring 2011 was bottled in 2009.

Rockefeller
03-15-2012, 12:44
As far as I know, all the Pappy 15 sold in 2010 and spring 2011 was bottled in 2009.

Hmmm. I think I was thinking of the Fall 11 release.

Wall Eye
03-15-2012, 14:26
This is all terribly fascinating - OK, more like somewhat interesting.

How does the stuff taste from this release? (Not that it matters since I'll pick one up if I actually ever see one.)


Rich

Tico
04-06-2012, 19:48
All of the PVW 15 & 20 yr that I have picked up in the last few days has been from the 2011 bottling.

Ex..... N2081108:45

jersey12
04-07-2012, 06:03
I realize that this is a little off topic, but does anyone know the logic behind the numbering on the VWFRR? The bottle I picked up this week was B0782 on the label and no dot matrix code that I could find. Thanks for any info.

Smithford
04-07-2012, 06:40
There is no logic. It's just another way to frustrate and confuse people who try to learn information about Van Winkle products.

http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?p=145974#post145974

Rockefeller
04-07-2012, 10:31
I realize that this is a little off topic, but does anyone know the logic behind the numbering on the VWFRR? The bottle I picked up this week was B0782 on the label and no dot matrix code that I could find. Thanks for any info.

Bottle code is just like all the others. It's there, you just aren't looking for it at the right angle (possible it's covered by the label).

StraightNoChaser
04-07-2012, 11:42
I realize that this is a little off topic, but does anyone know the logic behind the numbering on the VWFRR? The bottle I picked up this week was B0782 on the label and no dot matrix code that I could find. Thanks for any info.
I think it's reasonable to assume now that the lettering switchover coincided with the switch from old stock to new stock (BT rye)

I can back this up based simply on the fact that I have a "G" bottle which is not only several shades darker than the A and B bottles, but tastes like it has a ton more barrel influence. That would align with the story that VWFRR was a mix of 18-19yo CoK/Medley juice that got tanked a while back.

bad_scientist
04-07-2012, 12:15
I think it's reasonable to assume now that the lettering switchover coincided with the switch from old stock to new stock (BT rye)

I can back this up based simply on the fact that I have a "G" bottle which is not only several shades darker than the A and B bottles, but tastes like it has a ton more barrel influence. That would align with the story that VWFRR was a mix of 18-19yo CoK/Medley juice that got tanked a while back.


Have you been able to compare old with new? If so, what do you think?

jersey12
04-07-2012, 12:22
Thanks for the info StraightNoChaser and Smithford. I tried using the search function but didn't come up with any results in for Van Winkle rye in the subject. Guess have to put a little more effort into the search. I'll probably read through the entire thread in the next couple of days. Thanks!

spinningrecords
04-09-2012, 21:47
As far as I know, all the Pappy 15 sold in 2010 and spring 2011 was bottled in 2009.

I believe they did a mass bottling in 2009 over a few days and that was the end of the SW juice. I've got bottle codes of PVW15 including K07909xx:xx, K08409xx:xx, K08509xx:xx and K08909xx:xx which supports this multi-day bottling theory. I've haven't seen a bottle code between those and B12024xx:xx. I believe it bottle line B, year and day 024 for 1/24 plus a military hour and minute time.

StraightNoChaser
04-09-2012, 22:36
Have you been able to compare old with new? If so, what do you think?

I did actually! I found the G bottle to taste more mature and smoother, lots more barrel influence (hinting at an older whiskey). The newer A/B bottles taste younger and hotter but still a solid rye by all means.

Old Lamplighter
05-02-2012, 08:20
While taking inventory recently, I noted that one of my PVW15s has no dot matrix code. All others I have are 2008. Did this just begin in the last few years or always on them? I have looked this one over in sunlight and indoor light, even with magnification glass, and find none. Maybe it was omitted by error(?). I am pretty sure I got this bottle at same time as others in 2008-09.

luther.r
05-02-2012, 08:57
While taking inventory recently, I noted that one of my PVW15s has no dot matrix code. All others I have are 2008. Did this just begin in the last few years or always on them? I have looked this one over in sunlight and indoor light, even with magnification glass, and find none. Maybe it was omitted by error(?). I am pretty sure I got this bottle at same time as others in 2008-09.

I've found that the 2008-09 numbers rub off very easily. I've got a couple bottles where they're smeared pretty badly. I also have a couple bottles of 20 that have no number anywhere on them, including under the label.

tommyboy38
08-05-2012, 09:07
Is anyone drinking PVW15 anymore or just looking at the bottles?

jeanraulmitchell
08-05-2012, 09:26
Is anyone drinking PVW15 anymore or just looking at the bottles?

I am not drinking only looking now. I have a lot of good things open at the moment & the last few great 15yos that I have I'm saving until either the time is right or there is a shortage of other things to drink. I will drink these 15yos but when that last bottle empties I'm going to be very sad. Fortunately, I've got a few good 20yos to drink before that happens too.

LostBottle
08-05-2012, 16:13
Is anyone drinking PVW15 anymore or just looking at the bottles?

Quite a few are photographing PVW15 bottles to sell on fleabay...

tigerlam92
08-07-2012, 22:43
Is anyone drinking PVW15 anymore or just looking at the bottles?

All of my are 2009 and back. Definitely drinking them.

Cheers
--Hugh

jeanraulmitchell
08-08-2012, 00:23
Quite a few are photographing PVW15 bottles to sell on fleabay...

Post Stitzel Weller

wripvanwrinkle
08-10-2012, 07:41
Is anyone drinking PVW15 anymore or just looking at the bottles?

"No you can't play with it, you won't enjoy it on as many levels as I do... Mm-hai bw-ha whoa-hoa. The colours children. Mwa-ha-lee"

- Professor Frink

Rockefeller
08-10-2012, 22:01
Worked my way through a bottle of the 2008 edition and 2011 edition ... can't taste the difference. Is there something wrong with me?!!

mosugoji64
08-10-2012, 22:41
Worked my way through a bottle of the 2008 edition and 2011 edition ... can't taste the difference. Is there something wrong with me?!!

I would say that's very good news!