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Happyhour24x7
11-23-2011, 19:42
Talking to a liquor store owner today and he was talking about this new, rare, bourbon called James E Pepper. All of a sudden, everywhere I went today, store or restaurant, seemed to have it, but always "this is our last bottle" or something similar. Does anyone know anything about this, or has tasted it?

ThomasH
11-23-2011, 19:52
Either it is new or your area has a bunch of held back old, old, old dusties!

Thomas

barturtle
11-23-2011, 20:41
Corsair Distilling in Bowling Green, KY registered the name and now sells product under it.

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sku
11-28-2011, 18:40
Looks like this guy found someone to make the bourbon for him.

http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12570

Happyhour24x7
11-29-2011, 04:46
Yeah, I was wondering if there was a connection there too; being the diligent member I of course searched the forum before posting....:cool: I bought a bottle and took it to the family Thanksgiving; I and everyone thought it was pretty good stuff, especially for low proof. The bottle did not make it to dinner.

barturtle
11-29-2011, 14:09
Looks like this guy found someone to make the bourbon for him.

http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12570

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4002:n3gsf6.4.1

Filing Date: 10-22-08
Publoshed for Opposition: 2-10-09
Registration: 8-10-10
Owner: (REGISTRANT) Undisputed International LLC LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY NEVADA 4200 Cathedral Ave. NW # 711 Washington D.C. 20016

Josh
11-29-2011, 15:35
Looks like this guy found someone to make the bourbon for him.

http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12570


http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4002:n3gsf6.4.1

Filing Date: 10-22-08
Publoshed for Opposition: 2-10-09
Registration: 8-10-10
Owner: (REGISTRANT) Undisputed International LLC LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY NEVADA 4200 Cathedral Ave. NW # 711 Washington D.C. 20016

Heh. I had forgotten about that guy.:lol:

cowdery
11-30-2011, 11:35
I haven't heard anything about this from Corsair. As I posted in the previous discussion, United Distillers (now Diageo) relaunched James E. Pepper bourbon into Eastern Europe in 1994, primarily into the Czech Republic, where it apparently had been popular before WWII. I don't think they're still marketing it, but I don't know for sure.

It was last sold in the U.S. in the early 1960s.

In that previous discussion, Mike Veach said the owners of the Dr. Pepper trademark opposed the revival of James E. Pepper in the U.S.

Pepper is an old brand with a lot of history but I don't know that there was ever anything particularly special about the whiskey.

bgageus
11-30-2011, 12:05
The name was registered in DC, and you found some in the DC Area. I wonder if it is a private bottling label that is being used. The address of the registrant is right down the streeet for Calvert-Woodly, which has their own products bottled under their label, and know people (bars) that have had C-W bottle products (well stuff) under private labels.
Just thinking but not saying, could this be a private bottling under that label and just distributed in the DC area?

cowdery
11-30-2011, 14:23
Hey, Barturtle. Do you know more than you're telling? How do you know this is Corsair?

At least according to the TESS database, Diageo just let the trademark die. Seems odd to me. Whoever picked up on that was smart to do so.

Smarter than me.

barturtle
11-30-2011, 19:20
Hey, Barturtle. Do you know more than you're telling? How do you know this is Corsair?

At least according to the TESS database, Diageo just let the trademark die. Seems odd to me. Whoever picked up on that was smart to do so.

Smarter than me.

Corsair is the producer according to TTB applications.

barturtle
11-30-2011, 19:25
here is one of several

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cowdery
12-01-2011, 11:43
They have the DBA as well. My question is whether or not this is Corsair's product or something they're just bottling for someone else?

If it's all Corsair my initial reaction is disappointment, as I had thought better of them. The claims on the label are a load of crap. Something I'd expect of, say, Diageo, and not one of the more respected micros. This is at least as phony as the current Michter's.

sku
12-01-2011, 15:07
The label on the bottle says pot still whiskey, or something to that effect, so I would assume they made it, or at least didn't source it from the big boys (unless they sourced from Woodford).

cowdery
12-02-2011, 11:19
The label says a lot of things.

bourbonv
12-02-2011, 12:12
Corsair had several barrels put up for them last spring when i was in Bowling Green. I would assume that is the whiskey they are using in the label. It was not bad for small barrel whiskey.

Mike Veach

cowdery
12-02-2011, 15:32
Corsair had several barrels put up for them last spring when i was in Bowling Green. I would assume that is the whiskey they are using in the label. It was not bad for small barrel whiskey.

Mike Veach

Who's "them"? If Corsair is doing it for someone else? Who?

bourbonv
12-03-2011, 06:09
The people who own the James E Pepper label now. They (or maybe a single person, I don't remember) are based in the Washington D.C. area.

Mike Veach

Josh
12-03-2011, 11:00
I've been exchanging tweets with @corsairartisan (no longer Ben Kickert, I'm assuming)


Me: Can you tell us anything about this new James E. Pepper bourbon?
Corsair: there is nothing new about it. In fact it is the oldest bourbon receipe
Me: Let me be a bit more specific, is this one of your brands or are you making it for somebody else?
Corsair: it is a contracted product, unfortunately it is only available in D.C

Not exactly new info, but some confirmation at least.

Josh
12-03-2011, 11:46
Latest Communication:


Me: Thanks for the info! Can you disclose who you're making it for?
Corsair: James Pepper ;)

cowdery
12-03-2011, 15:08
Since the label is so loaded with fiction, I'm not surprised that getting at the real story is like pulling teeth.

Happyhour24x7
12-03-2011, 22:07
So I bought this, and started this thread on a whim when I didn't have a lot of time to do my own research; and this discourse is better already than I could have expected. Thanks for that, and I hope more comes out. As I mentioned , the whiskey was decent, but the price point was much higher than can be justified for "decent"....

Happyhour24x7
12-20-2011, 03:12
A footnote: a friend of mine bought a bottle at the same time, and just opened it. He texts me saying he really didn't like it; upon a visit to his house it wasn't a palate difference. His bottle smelled horrible and was pretty much undrinkable. Quality control problems or fluke bottle, I don't know. Now I'm a little leery of opening the other bottle I have stashed. If anyone else has tried it I'd be interested in your experience.