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EricABQ
12-02-2011, 14:21
Kind of a long story, but here it goes.

A couple of weeks ago the Van Winkle line hit Albuquerque. So, I go to the Kelley liquor location that I normally frequent. As I'm in line with my purchases, the manager asks me "what's the deal with these Bourbons? People have been asking about them a lot recently." So, I explained that they are really good bourbons, but that they are also scarce, which causes people to have to buy them right away if they want them. I even told him that they end up on ebay sometimes are ridiculous prices. He seems interested.

The next day I go back to the same store for some wine, and the VWs are all gone. So, I ask one of the clerks I see all the time if they sold out. He said no, that the manager pulled them off the shelf because they were mis-priced. The clerk seemed relieved when I told him that their prices were exactly what everyone else charged. I got the impression that the clerk thought he had mis-priced them when they came in, so he was relieved to hear that he hadn't screwed up.

Jump ahead a couple of weeks to today, and when I stopped in I notice that their locked cabinet was now full of Van Winkles with the following prices: 10 year old (both proofs) 129.99, the 12 year at 149.99 and the 20 at 249.99.

I guess I screwed myself by being so chatty with that d-bag manager.

luther.r
12-02-2011, 14:30
Problem is, that store isn't going to have the advantage of thousands of people looking specifically for Van Winkle products like eBay, so they're going to sit in his cabinet. I wouldn't be surprised if the prices come back down in a couple months...

DeanSheen
12-02-2011, 19:21
Ahh thats a great story. Not sure where that bonehead drummed up those prices but hey, more power to him.

They are VW's after all!

When the BT VW really starts flowing across the brand is when all this is going to get really interesting.

Special Reserve
12-03-2011, 03:25
I found a 2011 GTS and WLW this week both were $100 over the state price. I called the store owner a greedy bastard and at that price I wasn't interested in doing business with him.

dohidied
12-03-2011, 04:19
Wow, reminds me of the place I stumbled into that had an ORVW 10/90 for $80 and an Old Charther Proprietor's Reserve for $230.

Parkersback
12-03-2011, 04:32
I think what I maybe miss most in all of this are Old Rip Van Winkle's that were priced, even not that long ago, in the early to mid-2000's, under $30, IIRC. I remember stopping into LeNell's in Brooklyn and after talking about Pappy 20 having her pointing me in the direction of Old Rip. I remember thinking, "OK, I'll buy a Pappy 20 once a year, but Old Rip is a great whiskey that I can buy once every month or two."

But I was in a store last night and they had one of the ORVW's for $69 or something. I didn't even bother checking if it was the 90 or 107 because who cares at that price?

Weller 12 is a fine consolation, make no mistake. But somehow it does feel like a consolation, even if it's basically the same whiskey.

awachatz
12-03-2011, 04:33
I found a 2011 GTS and WLW this week both were $100 over the state price. I called the store owner a greedy bastard and at that price I wasn't interested in doing business with him.

I don't blame you at all. I wish I had spoken up early this week.

The store that receives most of my patronage has elected to start pricing gouging me now as well. I was just charged a 25% premium on the Van Winkle bourbons. The kicker is that I really was only interested in the PVW15 and I didn't get any.

I really had to take a step back and going forward might consider shopping elsewhere. At least I can try the PVW23 once, but I will be more conservative with my purchases going forward.

jburlowski
12-03-2011, 04:46
People should remember this thread when they complain about BT / VW jacking up the prices ----- most of it happens at the retail level.

Tony
12-03-2011, 04:57
I found a 2011 GTS and WLW this week both were $100 over the state price. I called the store owner a greedy bastard and at that price I wasn't interested in doing business with him.

Was it that place in Farmington on Orchard Lake, I could not believe that either. I was thinking that is more than Ebay.

tony

Special Reserve
12-03-2011, 09:16
Was it that place in Farmington on Orchard Lake, I could not believe that either. I was thinking that is more than Ebay.

tony

Yes!, the irony is about 5 years ago I pulled an old SW OF out of there for $20. Thye have changed a lot since then.

Will

smokinjoe
12-03-2011, 09:16
People should remember this thread when they complain about BT / VW jacking up the prices ----- most of it happens at the retail level.

Exactly! Great point, John.
That said, I don't blame the retailers one bit. If I owned a liquor store, I'd be banging the price up too.

Josh
12-03-2011, 10:45
Exactly! Great point, John.
That said, I don't blame the retailers one bit. If I owned a liquor store, I'd be banging the price up too.

Yup. They have the right to jack up the price and we also have the right to call them greedy bastards and not do business with them.

smokinjoe
12-03-2011, 11:17
Yup. They have the right to jack up the price and we also have the right to call them greedy bastards and not do business with them.

Bingo!
...........................

DeanSheen
12-03-2011, 16:14
If I owned a liquor store, I'd be banging the help too.

There, fixed that for ya!

StraightNoChaser
12-04-2011, 13:17
Exactly! Great point, John.
That said, I don't blame the retailers one bit. If I owned a liquor store, I'd be banging the price up too.
If I owned a liquor store I'd be keeping the whole allocation for myself :o

luther.r
12-04-2011, 15:25
At one of my neighborhood stores, they told me tonight that their allocation of 3 Pappy 15s "went missing." They got their 20s, but the 15s were replaced in their delivery with bottles of tequila they didn't order. Their invoice still had the PVW15s on it. So either the delivery driver took them or somebody in the warehouse pulled a fast one. The distributor won't be able to replace them since they're all out of stock now.

Pretty soon they're going to have to have armored car services delivering these Van Winkles...

Vosgar
12-04-2011, 16:44
I had a similar experience with a store I do business with. Their shipment came in last Friday, missing the 3 Pappy 15's that were on the invoice. The 20's and 23's came in, along with a couple of ORVW 10/107's (one of which had a broken seal and had leaked about 1/2 its contents). The store owner called her distributor rep and was waiting to hear back from him.

Good luck on that.

Gary

luther.r
12-04-2011, 17:49
I had a similar experience with a store I do business with. Their shipment came in last Friday, missing the 3 Pappy 15's that were on the invoice. The 20's and 23's came in, along with a couple of ORVW 10/107's (one of which had a broken seal and had leaked about 1/2 its contents). The store owner called her distributor rep and was waiting to hear back from him.
Gary
Sounds like we're talking about the same store.

ErichPryde
12-06-2011, 20:20
Yup. They have the right to jack up the price and we also have the right to call them greedy bastards and not do business with them.

:banghead: I thought that the whole point of retail was to sell stuff and get repeat customers. I must have been seriously mislead.

Jwilly019
12-06-2011, 20:33
:banghead: I thought that the whole point of retail was to sell stuff and get repeat customers. I must have been seriously mislead.

Just because we won't buy at those prices, doesn't mean someone else won't.

smokinjoe
12-06-2011, 20:51
Just because we won't buy at those prices, doesn't mean someone else won't.

Double BINGO!!
.............

DeanSheen
12-06-2011, 21:07
:banghead: I thought that the whole point of retail was to sell stuff and get repeat customers. I must have been seriously mislead.

There is a point of diminishing returns. It just has not found it's bottom yet.

SMOWK
12-07-2011, 07:18
My Van Winkles came in cheaper this fall than last fall or the spring release...Go figure.

Josh
12-07-2011, 07:26
:banghead: I thought that the whole point of retail was to sell stuff and get repeat customers. I must have been seriously mislead.

Yes, and? I don't get your point. Are you saying I should pay whatever a retailer wants me to pay even if I don't think it's a fair price?

ErichPryde
12-07-2011, 13:53
Yes, and? I don't get your point. Are you saying I should pay whatever a retailer wants me to pay even if I don't think it's a fair price?

No Josh. I'm saying that the retailer is a moron. You SHOULD walk away. But will you want to go back? In addition, will Johnny X, who couldn't find it anywhere else and has now purchased it there want to go back anytime soon? Sure, maybe next year when the same thing happens, but until then? I see a high dollar sale but not a net gain on the retailer's part. It frustrates me that people think this way. but hey, this is America. :grin:

smokinjoe
12-07-2011, 14:24
No Josh. I'm saying that the retailer is a moron. You SHOULD walk away. But will you want to go back? In addition, will Johnny X, who couldn't find it anywhere else and has now purchased it there want to go back anytime soon? Sure, maybe next year when the same thing happens, but until then? I see a high dollar sale but not a net gain on the retailer's part. It frustrates me that people think this way. but hey, this is America. :grin:

Erik, you make valid points, and the risk a retailer takes in significantly marking up an item is real. That goes without saying. But, in this case, with these products, I do not blame him for commanding top dollar. It's so rare, the quantity is so small, and his "market" for it is so miniscule, I don't think it will hurt his everyday foot traffic one bit.

By the way, you really bubbled over in posts last night. :D Holding them all in? Glad to see you back around. :toast:

Josh
12-07-2011, 14:30
No Josh. I'm saying that the retailer is a moron. You SHOULD walk away. But will you want to go back? In addition, will Johnny X, who couldn't find it anywhere else and has now purchased it there want to go back anytime soon? Sure, maybe next year when the same thing happens, but until then? I see a high dollar sale but not a net gain on the retailer's part. It frustrates me that people think this way. but hey, this is America. :grin:

Gotcha. I've been drinking less than usual recently and it my brain isn't what it was.:lol:




By the way, you really bubbled over in posts last night. :D Holding them all in? Glad to see you back around. :toast:

Ditto, good to see you back Erik!

yountvillewjs
12-07-2011, 14:50
I know I contributed to it a little as well. Paid $130 for the 20 yr., which seems to be 10-30 over others. Wanted to get a bottle or two for the very modest (but growing) bunker and be done with it.

AaronWF
12-07-2011, 15:22
I know I contributed to it a little as well. Paid $130 for the 20 yr., which seems to be 10-30 over others. Wanted to get a bottle or two for the very modest (but growing) bunker and be done with it.

Did you say, "done with it"? No, clearly you don't understand the term 'bunker.'

yountvillewjs
12-07-2011, 15:53
Did you say, "done with it"? No, clearly you don't understand the term 'bunker.'

I meant I wanted to be done with the Pappy-bunker chase.

AaronWF
12-07-2011, 16:36
I meant I wanted to be done with the Pappy-bunker chase.

I was just being silly. In my limited experience with my modest bunker, there seems to be no 'last bottle.'

ErichPryde
12-13-2011, 16:56
...I do not blame him for commanding top dollar. It's so rare, the quantity is so small, and his "market" for it is so miniscule, I don't think it will hurt his everyday foot traffic one bit.

By the way, you really bubbled over in posts last night. :D Holding them all in? Glad to see you back around. :toast:


Joe, it's good to be back and good to get flack from you again. Been too long. You make a valid point with how rare it is, and you're right, average foot traffic will not go down. From the perspective of being another retailer (but not in liquor) I get so incredibly pissed off when retailers pull shennanigans like that, though. There was a place I used to frequent in Wichita- and they had BTAC for 60 bucks or so. Then they marked it all up to 100 bucks, and when I questioned why and after a short debate, the clerk was willing to sell a bottle of GTS to me for the previous price point. The owner apparently decided that, with the demand made apparent on ebay, he could make those prices work. I did not, do not, and will not shop at that location ever again.


As for the posts... Yes, I suppose I was holding them all in. I haven't been here in ages. I had to stretch my feet a little. I'll try not to cause too much trouble around here, but we'll see how that works out for me. :D

Gotcha. I've been drinking less than usual recently and it my brain isn't what it was.:lol:



Ditto, good to see you back Erik!

Good to catch some crap from you as well, Josh. Look forward to reading and receiving more of your over the top sarcasm. ;)

wripvanwrinkle
12-13-2011, 17:24
Recently, a friend in Michigan asked me if it was fair to pay 90 USD for a bottle of PVW15. The retailer went so far as to show him the going EBAY price. My response was simple. If I was willing to buy it off of EBAY, I would be willing to pay the 90 bucks. Under no condition though, would I ever give him my "normal" business.

MissinER101
12-17-2011, 21:28
I found a 2011 GTS and WLW this week both were $100 over the state price. I called the store owner a greedy bastard and at that price I wasn't interested in doing business with him.

Here on the west slope I found a suppler of essentials that has multiple bottles (cases) of the 2011 BTAC on sale for $60....and I'm still recouping from the move :smiley_acbt:

mosugoji64
12-17-2011, 22:33
Here on the west slope I found a suppler of essentials that has multiple bottles (cases) of the 2011 BTAC on sale for $60....and I'm still recouping from the move :smiley_acbt:


Nice! Is the apartment next door available? :lol:

wripvanwrinkle
12-18-2011, 13:03
Nice! Is the apartment next door available? :lol:

I don't think that it would be very nice living that close to a barn.

:wink:

tommyboy38
12-19-2011, 20:33
If I owned a liquor store, I'd raise the price on the PVW and then bang the help.:slappin: :slappin: :slappin:

BradleyC
12-19-2011, 21:31
If I owned a liquor store, I'd raise the price on the PVW and then bang the help.:slappin: :slappin: :slappin:

This is the best post I have read all year!

Josh
12-20-2011, 06:36
If I owned a liquor store, I'd raise the price on the PVW and then bang the help.:slappin: :slappin: :slappin:


This is the best post I have read all year!

For Joe's sake let's hope he never buys Binny's.:bigeyes:

smokinjoe
12-20-2011, 07:47
For Joe's sake let's hope he never buys Binny's.:bigeyes:

If I buy Binny's Brett and Joe are gone. That's bad news, I know. :cry:

BUT!!!

I will, however, start a new concept...."The Binny's Girls". After you see them, you'll be more than happy to pay a fee just for the priviledge of entering the store. :cool: Think Tilted Kilt for the Scotch section. Daisy Duke in the Bourbon section. Salma Hayek in Tequila...I Dream of Genie in the Magic Cart....You get the picture :bigeyes:....You'll pay, oh yes, you'll pay.......:D

Lost Pollito
12-20-2011, 09:03
If I buy Binny's Brett and Joe are gone. That's bad news, I know. :cry:

BUT!!!

I will, however, start a new concept...."The Binny's Girls". After you see them, you'll be more than happy to pay a fee just for the priviledge of entering the store. :cool: Think Tilted Kilt for the Scotch section. Daisy Duke in the Bourbon section. Salma Hayek in Tequila...I Dream of Genie in the Magic Cart....You get the picture :bigeyes:....You'll pay, oh yes, you'll pay.......:D
Can I at least stick around and charge cover at the door?

smokinjoe
12-20-2011, 10:02
Can I at least stick around and charge cover at the door?

Joe, I may have been a little hasty in my zeal to reduce overhead. I apologize. I believe that you would have definite value as "Binny's Girls New Talent Co-ordinator". You would oversee identification, evaluation, and work with me in final hiring decisions of all potential Binny's Girls. I can't guarantee the pay to be real good, but the fringes are top-notch. Whaddaya say? :D