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cowdery
01-03-2012, 19:50
There is apparently no shortage of Rittenhouse Rye BIB in Chicago. I just returned from Binny's Lincoln Park and they had a floor stack of about 50 cases, at $22.99/750 ml. Still DSP-354.

Eth3rStrik3r
01-03-2012, 21:19
Its always been kind of vacant at the Binnys out in the western suburbs, but I never have really had trouble finding it even when walking into some random liquor store in my area. On my last trip up to Sheboygan though, I found a store that was carrying it for $17 a bottle and nearly had a heart attack. Nothing like getting your favorite bottle of whiskey for super cheap :D

LikeItWasSodaPop
01-03-2012, 22:40
Chuck shore is right about this! I was trying to get to the bourbon aisle and the sheer heft and girth of that there Ritt BIB case stack was pretty astounding.

Naturally I left with a 12 bottle case. I don't bring wine to dinner parties anymore, and I'm sick of bringing something dusty or fancy only to find no one appreciates it. At $20something, I'm still spending more than the jackasses that bring Yellow Tail anyway. And turning people on to some great whiskey. So it's just common sense to have a few cases.

cowdery
01-03-2012, 22:58
If you want something more in the Yellow Tail price range, Binny's now carries J.T.S. Brown BIB bourbon. I didn't notice the price, but I'm sure it's less than $22.99.

Also Mellow Corn corn whiskey and, for that matter, Very Old Barton.

But taking Rit BIB is very generous and should quickly make you a legend among your friends and acquaintances. You'll probably get invited to a lot more parties.

jcg9779
01-03-2012, 23:27
I've seen plenty around Atlanta as well.

BFerguson
01-04-2012, 04:34
Dang!

I know this just came in stock in the state recently. I was talking to my store guy a week or two ago and I thought that he said when talking to the distributer, that we only got like 12 case in for the whole state.

I coud be off, but man, what a difference.

Just happy to pick up my couple that I wanted.

B

Enoch
01-04-2012, 06:15
After two years+ of it being virtually unavailable it finally made it into Columbia,SC right before X-mas. I didn't realize all the stores got it so I bought a case at the first one. $16.95 here.

Beer&Bourbon
01-04-2012, 08:47
I went around a few stores in No Ky yesterday and couldn't find a single bottle of the stuff. Having missed out on Bowman's single barrels (I didn't have the funds until after the post-Christmas rush.), I'd like to pick up a bottle or two as a consolation prize. Please pm me if anyone sees this around No Ky/ Cincinnati area (or Indy for that matter).

p_elliott
01-04-2012, 10:06
They had it for the first time in Maryville MO HyVee I grabbed 2 bottles right off next time I'm there I will grab two more. I have been trying to get this for over 2 years.

cowdery
01-04-2012, 10:54
I went around a few stores in No Ky yesterday and couldn't find a single bottle of the stuff. Having missed out on Bowman's single barrels (I didn't have the funds until after the post-Christmas rush.), I'd like to pick up a bottle or two as a consolation prize. Please pm me if anyone sees this around No Ky/ Cincinnati area (or Indy for that matter).

I can't believe Jay doesn't have it or won't soon. There obviously is plenty in the pipeline at the moment.

timd
01-04-2012, 15:17
There obviously is plenty in the pipeline at the moment.

It's that Rittenhouse time of year - seems like 2x a year it shows up, and then it's gone for months. I haven't seen it regularly on any shelf in Texas for the past 6 months, and now I'm tripping over it at under $20 a bottle.

Just know this will be short lived, because it'll go away (again) for months - or longer - once this release sells out.

Just the cycle of the desired low-end Ryes (WT, Saz, Ritt - they all go in a cycle at retail as far as I've been able to determine over the last 3 years or so of coveting the stuff).

Buy plenty and buy now...

Then again (and I say this every year...) maybe it's finally a regular product in the production pipeline rather than seasonal?

cas
01-04-2012, 16:32
There is apparently no shortage of Rittenhouse Rye BIB in Chicago. I just returned from Binny's Lincoln Park and they had a floor stack of about 50 cases, at $22.99/750 ml. Still DSP-354.

I picked up a couple bottles at Binny's last week for $22.99, then drove down the road a couple miles to a smaller shop where they had it for $18.99.
Craig

smokinjoe
01-04-2012, 17:04
Well, I've been off the Ritt BIB train for a few years now, as I was finding it to be too bourbony. Baby Saz has become my go-to. But, I'm going to have to pick up a bottle to try again, while it seems readily available at present.

jcg9779
01-04-2012, 17:31
Well, I've been off the Ritt BIB train for a few years now, as I was finding it to be too bourbony. Baby Saz has become my go-to. But, I'm going to have to pick up a bottle to try again, while it seems readily available at present.

Want me to bring an open bottle on the 14th to see if you still find it too bourbony?

smokinjoe
01-04-2012, 18:05
Want me to bring an open bottle on the 14th to see if you still find it too bourbony?

yessy! :D
Thanks, Jack.

trumpstylz
01-04-2012, 21:12
Its always been kind of vacant at the Binnys out in the western suburbs, but I never have really had trouble finding it even when walking into some random liquor store in my area. On my last trip up to Sheboygan though, I found a store that was carrying it for $17 a bottle and nearly had a heart attack. Nothing like getting your favorite bottle of whiskey for super cheap :D

I know the SW burbs has a decent stock of it (plainfield and naperville).

I never knew what all the hoopla was about regarding the rye shortage. Yes, there is a shortage of options, but most of the options that are available elsewhere in the country are readily available in Chicago.

cowdery
01-05-2012, 09:03
If I go to the store to buy Rit BIB and they're out, that's a crisis.

mosugoji64
01-05-2012, 15:34
As far as I can tell, this is not available in Indy. Anyone know for sure?

Flyfish
01-06-2012, 11:13
I was Jonesing for some Ritt BIB but, this being Ohio, that was out of the question. My local merchant stocks Baby Saz--but has been out for a couple months. Fortunately, he still had some WT 101 rye so all is not lost. Next week, we are headed to FL with a pit stop at the Liquor Barn in Lexington where they stock lots of good stuff that is not available in BuckeyeLand: VOB, AAA 10YO, OWA.
Chicago politics may be awful but that is just the price you pay for access to Ritt BIB.

Old Lamplighter
01-07-2012, 00:05
If I go to the store to buy Rit BIB and they're out, that's a crisis.

Very true. I never find more than 2-3 in a store at a time...most of time zero.

tommyboy38
01-07-2012, 08:52
I frequently see a Ritt shortage in Chicago. Binny's isn't always my go to store and theres enough whiskey in the bunker that I don't "need" any but when shopping, it's frequently not available.

bad_scientist
01-07-2012, 18:08
Distribution is so bizarre - in DC it's everywhere, but in Maryland, which got the PVWs a month before DC, it's completely absent.

Just had my very first Manhattan this evening, made using 2.5 oz Ritt BIB and 1 oz sweet vermouth, with Angostura bitters and 3 Maraschino cherries (concession to the wife). Absolutely delicious! I think Ritt BIB was made for Manhattans. I had it straight afterwards and I swear I could taste the Angostura. It's just perfect for the other ingredients.

Phil T
01-07-2012, 19:02
I visited my favorite honey hole today, and spied 2 bottles that I had not seen previously . At $15.99 a pop, I bought them both. It was the first time I'd seen them anywhere

Smithford
01-08-2012, 08:42
No shortage in Ontario either. We've had a pretty consistent supply for at least the past year.

Though at the price we're paying (~$35), I doubt many of you will be crossing the border to fill your boots.

DeanSheen
01-10-2012, 19:16
I visited my favorite honey hole today, and spied 2 bottles that I had not seen previously . At $15.99 a pop, I bought them both. It was the first time I'd seen them anywhere

Bahh. You are on the boarder. I got all excited thinking I could get Ritt in Ohio. No dice.

Phil T
01-11-2012, 05:54
Bahh. You are on the boarder. I got all excited thinking I could get Ritt in Ohio. No dice.

Lol...nothing gets past you..:shocked:

Parkersback
01-11-2012, 16:29
FWIW, I've never not seen it in NYC.

I think we benefit from being so high volume. It's only in one store that I know of, but we always have Weller 12, too, another mid-shelfer that seems to wax and wane elsewhere in terms of availability.

STLbourbon
01-12-2012, 21:45
Rows and rows of it here in St. Louis at Friar Tucks. And it's GOOD, GOOD, GOOD...

STLb

Wall Eye
01-13-2012, 08:16
For the Chicagoland crew - I'm driving up on Saturday to attend a fishing Show in the Palatine - I90 and Rt 53 area.

Not looking for any secret honey holes - just someplace close-by that might have a Weller 12 or one of these plentiful Rittenhouse's you speak of... or at least just a larger than average bourbon selection.

I read alot about Binny's but I don't have time to get downtown on this trip.


Thanks!

ThomasH
01-13-2012, 11:52
It used to be a special order in Ohio but they discontinued it. One store in my area had 8 bottles on the shelf when they closed it out and I bought them all!

Thomas

yountvillewjs
01-13-2012, 11:55
Hard to find and at least $23/btl out here in CA.

trumpstylz
01-13-2012, 12:20
For the Chicagoland crew - I'm driving up on Saturday to attend a fishing Show in the Palatine - I90 and Rt 53 area.

Not looking for any secret honey holes - just someplace close-by that might have a Weller 12 or one of these plentiful Rittenhouse's you speak of... or at least just a larger than average bourbon selection.

I read alot about Binny's but I don't have time to get downtown on this trip.


Thanks!

There are binny's all over chicagoland. They have just under 30 locations. Schaumburg, Des Plaines, Buffalo Grove, and Mt. Prospect are all very close by.

soad
01-17-2012, 17:54
Holy crap! They have it on the PA LCB website!! A little pricey with shipping....no matter.....done!

Old Lamplighter
01-18-2012, 16:12
Good news: my favorite spot on the riding circuit just reloaded the shelves today after being empty a couple of weeks. Bad news: increase of $3 a bottle. At $18.99 that is why it was my favorite place to get it.

Our favorite best bang-for-the-buck rye has now gone from $13-14 (IIRC) to $21-22 in a short span of time. Heck, I even saw it for $30 in one store recently. How long before we lament "I remember when" and the shelf price hits $39? If so, it will soon join the crowd of a few other favorites I recall were in the $20 neighborhood just a few short years ago.:deadhorse:

cowdery
01-18-2012, 16:26
Here's my recent Rittenhouse Rye BIB purchase history.

$12.99 3/8/2004
$11.99 9/4/2004
$11.99 11/23/2004
$12.99 12/21/2005
$11.99 7/29/2006
$15.99 11/26/2006
$11.99 2/21/2007
$12.99 7/23/2007
$12.99 11/7/2008
$17.00 1/29/2011 (Binny's January 15% off sale)
$22.99 1/3/2012

I think it started to go up, and get scarce, in 2009, which is why I didn't buy any for two years.

Old Lamplighter
01-18-2012, 16:46
So, if my math is correct, that is an increase of approximately 77% in slightly under 8 years. That puts it at almost 10% per year. Is that about normal for bourbon and/or rye over same period of time? Seems higher than the norm to me...but, my kids think I am the cheapest person they will ever know...lol

I guess once the scarcity factor came into the picture, that is where the increases began. Looking at the listing again, I noticed that I failed to note that fact on first glance. Over the first 5 years, the price was stable. Maybe I am just :deadhorse: again....perhaps just another 'sign of the times' & I should be grateful I can get it without a lot of difficulty.

bad_scientist
01-18-2012, 18:29
So, if my math is correct, that is an increase of approximately 77% in slightly under 8 years. That puts it at almost 10% per year. Is that about normal for bourbon and/or rye over same period of time? Seems higher than the norm to me...but, my kids think I am the cheapest person they will ever know...lol

I guess once the scarcity factor came into the picture, that is where the increases began. Looking at the listing again, I noticed that I failed to note that fact on first glance. Over the first 5 years, the price was stable. Maybe I am just :deadhorse: again....perhaps just another 'sign of the times' & I should be grateful I can get it without a lot of difficulty.


Maybe the big price jump came because of the temporary shortage (from HH or wholesaler markup, or both, I don't know) and everyone just decided to keep it that way when the spout came back on.

FWIW, it's $21-23 in DC. Montgomery County, MD has it listed for $16, but they haven't had it in stock since I started looking.

cowdery
01-18-2012, 19:10
They're in business to make money and most businesses base pricing on one criteria: what the market will bear. Due to the aging cycle, it's hard to take advantage of growing demand by growing supply, so you have to do some of it by raising prices. Rit BIB is still cheaper than any rye except Jim Beam and Old Overholt, and the beloved but limited Fleischmann's.

Maybe they'll move Rit BIB up to premium pricing and start to make Pikesville more widely available, as their value rye. I'm sure HH has been steadily increasing production, especially now that it's back home at Bernheim.

bad_scientist
01-18-2012, 19:16
They're in business to make money and most businesses base pricing on one criteria: what the market will bear. Due to the aging cycle, it's hard to take advantage of growing demand by growing supply, so you have to do some of it by raising prices. Rit BIB is still cheaper than any rye except Jim Beam and Old Overholt, and the beloved but limited Fleischmann's.

Maybe they'll move Rit BIB up to premium pricing and start to make Pikesville more widely available, as their value rye. I'm sure HH has been steadily increasing production, especially now that it's back home at Bernheim.

Now that supply is higher, pricing... oh, it's staying higher, as well. Good for them.

I read on this really obscure site that Pikesville was just Ritt 80 with a different label:
http://www.casacoctel.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=59:quick-rye-list&catid=60:whiskey-articles&Itemid=108

No source or anything, so it's just as if the guy next to me at a bar told me. Does that sound like it could be the case?

cowdery
01-18-2012, 22:02
You know how it goes. It starts out the same--same mash bill, same off the still--but it has a different flavor profile, which is a matter of barrel selection. I also seem to recall that although Pikesville is straight rye (http://www.heavenhill.com/brand/51) at 40% ABV, it's only 3 years old. So it's not the exact same stuff, but darn close. Both are Heaven Hill products. They also make Stephen Foster rye, which is even less widely distributed than Pikesville. Maybe that's the 3 year old.

smokinjoe
01-19-2012, 18:47
Here's my recent Rittenhouse Rye BIB purchase history.

$12.99 3/8/2004
$11.99 9/4/2004
$11.99 11/23/2004
$12.99 12/21/2005
$11.99 7/29/2006
$15.99 11/26/2006
$11.99 2/21/2007
$12.99 7/23/2007
$12.99 11/7/2008
$17.00 1/29/2011 (Binny's January 15% off sale)
$22.99 1/3/2012

I think it started to go up, and get scarce, in 2009, which is why I didn't buy any for two years.

Keeping records of comparative costs of one's purchases or Ritt BIB for 8 years...a clear symptom of the advanced stages of Acute Whiskirexia Nervosa...:Clever:

izmarkie
01-19-2012, 21:35
My local joint had a steady supply of Ritt 80 and no BIB until they ran out. I asked them to reorder, and he got the BIB. At $19, I'd think twice if it were a buck or two more, and I won't stock up at that price. I just hope it lasts for when I do want it. I seem to clean him out of all the coveted stuff and it never comes back.

Old Lamplighter
01-20-2012, 04:58
Keeping records of comparative costs of one's purchases or Ritt BIB for 8 years...a clear symptom of the advanced stages of Acute Whiskirexia Nervosa...:Clever:

I wondered what it was called...now I have a response for my wife's scowl :drink:

CADMixes
01-20-2012, 06:06
Ritt BIB recently reappeared at at least one store in my area after a long drought. I like this store but they're known to casually mark up certain in-demand items, and want $38 for it this time around.

I'm pretty sure I know where to get it closer to list but need to call around.

Young Blacksmith
01-20-2012, 09:04
Golly! I paid $25 and thought it was on the high end. At $38 it would sit there a long time.

Brisko
01-20-2012, 09:23
Golly! I paid $25 and thought it was on the high end. At $38 it would sit there a long time.

Yeah, what do they think it is, Ri1?:grin:

timd
01-20-2012, 11:06
Yeah, what do they think it is, Ri1?:grin:
HAHAHAHAHAHA

That was funny.

I'm guessing we'll see a Beam Vodka soon, as they've probably got a major surplus of those super-sexy bottles they used for Ri1... certainly won't sell with their Rye in them...

I get my Ritt for $17 at one store, but most others are $22-$23 (when it can be found)

CADMixes
01-20-2012, 13:34
Yeah, what do they think it is, Ri1?:grin:

LOL @ this.

Thing is, as a cocktail ingredient (which is where most of my Ritt ends up) I can't argue that it's not worth it. I'll pay north of $30 for a good cognac and for a well-made boutique gin, so why not Ritt? The gouging is objectionable obviously, the actual price point could be worse.

Brisko
01-20-2012, 14:09
LOL @ this.

Thing is, as a cocktail ingredient (which is where most of my Ritt ends up) I can't argue that it's not worth it. I'll pay north of $30 for a good cognac and for a well-made boutique gin, so why not Ritt? The gouging is objectionable obviously, the actual price point could be worse.

Well, yes and no. In terms of subjective value, yes. In terms of where it fits into the category, no. Think of the prices for the other generally available 4 year old ryes on the market. (I'll use Minnesota prices knowing that it varies a lot geographically, but the point remains).

You have Overholt at around $10, Beam at somewhere over $15, where both of those are 80 proof. Wild Turkey is usually $20 or more and is probably the closest to Ritt BiB in terms of what it is. Bulleit falls in there somewhere around $24 for a 90 proofer but it probably has some older stock in it.

The next step up are a couple 90 proof six year olds, one official, one not: Baby Saz and Russell's Reserve. Both tend to be priced around $27 in my marketplace.

I guess I wouldn't to pay more for Rittenhouse than I would for a 6 year old.

By the way, has Ritt made it to Minnesota? I can't recall ever seeing it although it was available across the river in Hudson, WI for a while.

BFerguson
01-20-2012, 14:24
Yes, its been in state for at least two or three weeks.

I was told that the state as a whole did get fewer cases than than last year,maybe something to the order of 25% less?? I don't remember what I was told exactly, but I remember it was quite a decrease.

Need a hand? Let me know. Being the nice guy that I am, I will also take a look around the sunny St. Pete Beach FL area, I managed to get out of town before the cold and snow hit. :grin:

The white sand is almost like snow.......

B

Brisko
01-20-2012, 14:35
Yes, its been in state for at least two or three weeks.

I was told that the state as a whole did get fewer cases than than last year,maybe something to the order of 25% less?? I don't remember what I was told exactly, but I remember it was quite a decrease.

Need a hand? Let me know. Being the nice guy that I am, I will also take a look around the sunny St. Pete Beach FL area, I managed to get out of town before the cold and snow hit. :grin:

The white sand is almost like snow.......

B

Nice work on getting to FL. I don't mind snow but when we don't get much people forget how to drive on it.:hot:

I think I had a brain fart there, I know of (and knew several days ago) about a couple of places that have Ritt in stock. One is asking $26, which may be more than I'm willing to spend.

cowdery
01-20-2012, 18:37
When Ritt BIB jumped from $14 to $19 seemingly overnight, I didn't buy a bottle for two years, but I'm back now and glad to get it for $23.

CADMixes
01-20-2012, 18:48
Well, yes and no. In terms of subjective value, yes. In terms of where it fits into the category, no. Think of the prices for the other generally available 4 year old ryes on the market. (I'll use Minnesota prices knowing that it varies a lot geographically, but the point remains).

You have Overholt at around $10, Beam at somewhere over $15, where both of those are 80 proof. Wild Turkey is usually $20 or more and is probably the closest to Ritt BiB in terms of what it is. Bulleit falls in there somewhere around $24 for a 90 proofer but it probably has some older stock in it.

The next step up are a couple 90 proof six year olds, one official, one not: Baby Saz and Russell's Reserve. Both tend to be priced around $27 in my marketplace.

I guess I wouldn't to pay more for Rittenhouse than I would for a 6 year old.

By the way, has Ritt made it to Minnesota? I can't recall ever seeing it although it was available across the river in Hudson, WI for a while.

Yeah, I hear you. Admittedly I don't think too much about rye age unless they're extremely young or extremely old. In re: that midmarket space, I simply like Ritt much more than Saz or WTR. The former I'll buy in a pinch, the latter is just not for me.