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OneCubeOnly
06-02-2003, 20:30
Several months ago there was a thread in alt.drinks.sc****-whisky (cough!) in which somebody who was supposedly 'in-the-know' claimed that distilleries used a lower quality product in their miniatures. Needless to say, this was argued and disbelieved, but this person was adamant.

Has anybody heard of this practice with American whiskeys? I would think a distillery would want to put some of their BEST product in the minis to try to win people over!?

bobbyc
06-02-2003, 20:39
Out of all the miniatures of Bourbon that I have tried , I have yet to find one that caused me any concern that it was of less quality than the larger version of the same label. My $0.02

jeff
06-02-2003, 21:05
I've had a couple of minatures that tasted like the plastic bottles in which they were contained http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/puke.gif. I doubt this was a true reflection on the bourbon, only on the cheap plastic-leaching bottles

cowdery
06-03-2003, 16:13
Urban myth. It's the same product in the miniatures. In fact, many of the companies go to great expense to duplicate the packaging of the full size product because the minis are so important for sampling. There would be no benefit to using a lower quality product in the minis.

CL
06-06-2003, 20:47
On a airplane, has anyone ever seen anything besides JB White and JD Black? (I did see JB Black - once - and the passenger that got it was clueless as to what it was. I told them that it was fine and that many considered it better than JD Black.)

Occasionally, I will see WT or MM in a liquor store. And it's only been in Ky where I've only seen anything else than these four I mentioned above.

Based on this unscientific survey, it seems that only the best selling bourbons make it to miniatures, outside of KY. Therefore, I don't see how distilleries would use them to get folks to sample different products. It seems that they are just supplying their best selling product.

Barrel_Proof
06-06-2003, 21:10
Delta now serves Makers Mark.

cowdery
06-06-2003, 22:13
Minis aren't just on airplanes. Liquor stores in some states sell them. I know all of the Jim Beam Small Batchers have minis, as does Woodford Reserve. Maybe you have to fly in First Class to get the good stuff.

WEG3
06-07-2003, 01:30
Some of the bottle shops here in MA , have a growing selection of mini buorbons . Bookers , and now I have just forgotten the other one I got , that and the more common brands that I did not give a second look at ................ http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/banghead.gif......... http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Bill g,
Once again I failed my mind ....... http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

bluesbassdad
06-07-2003, 04:21
CL,

I now have a mini of Blanton's, which I ordered from either Sam's or Binny's. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif (A mind is a terrible thing to lose.)

Furthermore, one of the keys to my reintroduction to bourbon a while back was a wood-enclosed package of minis of the Jim Beam Small Batch collection.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

WEG3
06-07-2003, 05:57
CL,

I now have a mini of Blanton's, which I ordered from either Sam's or Binny's. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif (A mind is a terrible thing to lose.)

Furthermore, one of the keys to my reintroduction to bourbon a while back was a wood-enclosed package of minis of the Jim Beam Small Batch collection.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield


Mind is not lost , just a bit miss-used and abused ..... http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gifhttp://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/drink.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Paradox
06-07-2003, 06:52
There's also a wood packed version of the "Small Batch Botique Bourbon Collection" of Rowan's Creek, Noah's Mill, Pure KY XO and KY Vintage though I only saw that in KY... Some mini's that were available now are not like Rock Hill Farms... I really like the idea of companies offering mini's of their products and feel more need to do so.

OneCubeOnly
06-07-2003, 10:32
Interestingly enough, as deficient as Virginia's selection is, we have plenty of minis available. They're a great way to do samplings. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/drink.gif There have been several I'm glad I wasn't stuck with 750ml! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/puke.gif

Paradox
06-07-2003, 11:00
I agree, the ABC stores I visit in VA do have a rather nice selection of mini's... I always pick up several of the Virginia Gentlemen 'The Fox' 90 proof mini's for only $1.00! It comes in an exact duplicate bottle of the 750ml, is glass, complete with gold wax. I like to leave a few in my trunk as 'emergency bottles' while on the road. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

bluesbassdad
06-07-2003, 12:08
Dear Cool-But-Not-Diluted http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif ,

I hear you about those orphan 750s. However, on the flip side I've found more than one bourbon that grew on me over time. For example, if my first drink of Elijah Craig 12 year-old had been a mini, I might never have tried it again. As it is, I am now on my second or third bottle (a 1.75 L., at that) since I first encountered it last year.

Minis are no substitute for a generous friend with a well-stocked bar. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

CL
06-07-2003, 12:10
On USAirways three years ago, first class didn't get you anything different. I did one hundred segments one year which earned me automatic free upgrades to first class for the next year. JB White and JD Black was all they ever had.

Based on what the other folks here are saying, though, it appears that alot of states have a good choice of minis. NC isn't one of them, though. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Paradox
06-07-2003, 12:18
With the exception of some specialty stores in the city, NY has a pretty sad stocked inventory of bourbon in general, both 750 and 50 ml's... Exceptions naturally are beam white, wild turkey 80 and 101, etc...

bluesbassdad
06-07-2003, 12:29
Mark,

I could almost work up some self-pity over that. How in the world do they sell them at that price?

That's equivalent to $15 for 750 ml., right? Plus you have the convenience that you spoke of. I pay $21 plus shipping (from Sam's) or $22 plus 8-going-on-10 % CA sales tax for a 750 ml. bottle.

It's almost enough to make me do a cross-country Junior Johnson run in my stock Geo. (Come to think of it, I'd probably steal my wife's Saturn Vue, which has ten times the cargo capacity. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif )

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

Paradox
06-07-2003, 12:41
I never could figure it out either Dave. They sell the 750ml bottle at the same ABC store for $17.50. I always asked myself why they would do that, I just figured it's their way of 'enticing' people to try 'The Fox'. I had to laugh when my father who was with me seriously said, "Buy the mini's and empty them all into the empty you have at home!" http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif

Watch, with my luck when I go down again, they will have raised the price!

OneCubeOnly
06-07-2003, 14:26
Dear Cool-But-Not-Diluted http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif ,

I hear you about those orphan 750s. However, on the flip side I've found more than one bourbon that grew on me over time.



http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif Actually, I have yet to find a totally undrinkable bourbon, but a couple higher-end bottles have been relegated to ginger ale. However, there's a couple bourbon wannabe's from a neighboring state which might stay orphans for awhile!

Bob
06-07-2003, 17:52
Given the poor availability of various bourbons here in NY, I'm glad there's Sam's and others we can learn about here on the 'Net. I'm also eager to stock up during the visit to KY in September!

Bob

Paradox
06-07-2003, 18:08
Haha, if you stock up like me and Chris did during last years festival, you'll have no more suspension travel left on your rear shocks, and that's not an exageration! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

ratcheer
06-07-2003, 19:44
Hell, that's only $15 per 750 ml! At that price, you could just buy the minis and never have to worry about how big your pour is. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/drink.gif

Tim

WEG3
06-07-2003, 20:04
knob Creek !
Duh , How could I forget .... http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
I found it very good , but still not good enough to replace ORVW 10yr 107 as my daily pour .....
Bill G.

Bob
06-08-2003, 08:09
Hey Mark,

What was the strategy you guys used last year? Did you buy lots of different bottlings, or did you buy quantity of a few things?

Bob

Paradox
06-08-2003, 08:57
We tried to buy one of everything that we knew we had no chance getting up here... Then after all the gazeebo sessions and tastings if there was something that we really found to be superb, we just got a 'little' more of it. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif So honestly, it was a little of both. Some of what we also got was not for immediate consumption like for example the yearly derby bottling from Woodford Reserve. But those purchases took up only a small amount of trunk space.

Bob
06-08-2003, 09:41
Mark,

Could you clarify, or quantify, what you mean exactly by a "little" more? http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Bob

Paradox
06-08-2003, 09:51
I'd have to guess between me and Chris we had 50-60 different bottles and 5 cases of Buffalo Trace BBQ Sauce. Not to mention all the T-shirts I bought from just about every distillery! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif Oh, what a fun time you will have Bob! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Bob
06-08-2003, 11:12
I can't wait!!!!!! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif 50 to 60 bottles! That IS a lot! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif

Bob

Speedy_John
06-09-2003, 06:09
Here in the great control state of Pennsylvania, used to be the only mini of bourbon you could find was Jim Beam. Recently, however, my favorite store began carrying a lot of higher-end minis, including bourbons, XO cognacs, liqueurs and single malts. One can now "sample" Blanton's, Knob Creek, Makers Mark, Rare Breed, Woodford Reserve and several others. A while back, they were offering the Rare Breed for 99 cents. Now,THAT is a bargain! Should have stocked up when I had the chance.

SpeedyJohn

BTW, they're also supposed to get minis of Louis XIII. Yours for only $199.99!

cowdery
06-10-2003, 13:40
I see in the new issue of Newsweek that South Carolina still requires all drinks served in bars and restaurants to originate in mini bottles, so any company that wants to sell its products on-premise in South Carolina has to make them available in minis. (The article was because the legislature is considering scrapping this requirement, which bars and restaurants, obviously, hate.) Utah used to have this requirement as well, but I believe it was scrapped a few years ago, perhaps in advance of the Olympics.

Do any other states still require minis in on-premise?

CL
06-10-2003, 18:37
How could I forget that? I've had many fine drinks and many fine dinners, on expense account no less, in the fine state of SC.

CL
06-10-2003, 18:40
Good idea. I am headed to Lake Gaston next week for the annual family vacation. I am staying on the NC side, but the 903 bridge is a mile away. I will see if there is a Virginia ABC store nearby on the other side.

By comparison, in WV, the Fox is $20/750ml.

OneCubeOnly
06-10-2003, 19:25
Here's a shopping list for your Virginia jaunt:

http://www.abc.state.va.us/Pricelist/STRAIGHT%20BOURBON%20WHISKEY.html

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Barrel_Proof
06-10-2003, 19:36
Be advised that that the Virginia ABC website is notoriously out-of-date. Items listed may no longer be in inventory at all. (They've still got Jacob's Well listed, for example, and they long since sent the remaining stock back to the distributor.) Some listings are years out of date. Go figure. I guess it's hard to get competent help in the greater Washington area these days.

CL
06-10-2003, 20:04
Dang, other than the Fox 90, there isn't anything on the list that I can't get in NC. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

However, I found their special order (by the bottle) catalog and it looks fairly good. Maybe I might find a leftover gem or two in the nearest store.

OneCubeOnly
06-10-2003, 20:40
Be advised that that the Virginia ABC website is notoriously out-of-date. Items listed may no longer be in inventory at all. (They've still got Jacob's Well listed, for example, and they long since sent the remaining stock back to the distributor.)



An interesting note: you can still buy Jacob's Well in minis! (Kind of appropriate for this thread, huh!?) http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I know because I just bought a couple.

Barrel_Proof
06-10-2003, 20:58
So, do share. Which of the stores still has minis?

Paradox
06-10-2003, 21:14
Yes, please do haha. The only place I saw the mini's recently was on ebay. And I'm still looking for that 750ml of Jacob's Well for ya' Cliff. I didn't forget...

OneCubeOnly
06-10-2003, 21:17
So, do share. Which of the stores still has minis?



I bought these at the Sudley Rd., Manassas location. I opened one to taste...I agree with the older posts about it being marketing hype.

OneCubeOnly
06-10-2003, 21:30
Here's a pic:

mike1
06-11-2003, 04:59
I think that South Carolina is the only State left that still uses mini bottles. I think that the state gets 50 cents a bottle in taxes so it is easy for them to keep track of what income they should receive. It is also far more in taxes than they would receive if drinks were poured from regular bottles. . Of course there are lots of drinks that we can not get down here , as you might have to open several bottles for a drink, and end up with 6 oz. of booze and a 15.00 drink. Also the selection is very poor, and usually all you can find is the Beam line and Makers Mark.
While obviously all of this is bad for the consumer,many restaurants like the minis. They have few inventory problems,and it is easy to keep track or 'shrinkage'. Also you don't need to hire talented bar people, and you can stock your whole bar in an area not much bigger than a suitcase

Barrel_Proof
06-11-2003, 07:04
And I'm lookin' for those WT exports for you, too. Thanks.

cowdery
06-11-2003, 13:58
According to the Newsweek article, the main opponents to a change are the usual bluenoses and the producers, for whom the minis are extremely profitable. Apparently the legislature has become convinced that the change will be revenue-neutral, again according to Newsweek.

MurphyDawg
06-12-2003, 13:18
Yeah they sell the minis of the small batch collection here in OH, along with Rare Breed & Russell's Reserve (WT 80 & 101 too) Blanton's and EW 7 year.

At least those are the ones I saw.

Tom (Doesnt think a "nip" is nearly enough to convert someone)C

OneCubeOnly
06-14-2003, 22:05
Just a quick followup to my Jacob's Well find: I revisted the same ABC store and they're sold out. There is no longer a shelf-label for it either. So if any of you NoVA locals were hoping to make the trip, don't bother. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/banghead.gif