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trumpstylz
01-17-2012, 06:42
Does anyone know where to get these? Which brand is good? I think they're nitrogen, but I'm not sure- the things that you spray air into the bottle to displace the air and keep it from going bad.

Can you get them on ebay or amazon? Is there a good place to buy them? Is there a good brand or brands to watch out for?

Also- not totally sure if this is the right section of the forum.

sku
01-17-2012, 06:57
I use Private Preserve which seems to be one of the most common and is available on Amazon. Hard to know how it compares with whiskey (I'm going to put an experiment together, but it will take time) but the wine folks seem to like it.

JayMonster
01-17-2012, 07:02
Here is one of the one's available on Amazon

Wine Enthusiast Private Preserve Wine Preservation Spray (http://www.amazon.com/Wine-Enthusiast-Private-Preserve-Preservation/dp/B001AS4NCM/ref=pd_sim_hg_1)

Yes, it says "wine" but is the same for all purposes.


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whopps, seems sku was a bit faster.

MikeK
01-17-2012, 09:14
I absolutely swear by this stuff. Many people don't notice it, but I stand by my claim that whiskey gets stale a month or two after you open the bottle. If you are one of those people that have dozens of bottles open for years at a time and don't think the flavor changes, then God bless you. I wish I was like that. But I can definitely taste the flavor deteriorate if I don't spray after each pour.

If you are a nut-job like me, get together with your friends and buy it a case at a time from here, works out to $6.50 / bottle delivered.

http://www.winepreserve.com/

Cheers,

JohnHansell
01-17-2012, 10:27
I also use Private Preserve and love it. Until I get down to about 1/4 bottle left or so. Then I get a friend or two together and we just finish the bottle.

It also ensures a good supply of friends. :grin:

ShewDawg
01-17-2012, 11:40
I absolutely swear by this stuff. Many people don't notice it, but I stand by my claim that whiskey gets stale a month or two after you open the bottle. If you are one of those people that have dozens of bottles open for years at a time and don't think the flavor changes, then God bless you. I wish I was like that. But I can definitely taste the flavor deteriorate if I don't spray after each pour.

If you are a nut-job like me, get together with your friends and buy it a case at a time from here, works out to $6.50 / bottle delivered.

http://www.winepreserve.com/

Cheers,


Do you find yourself sticking with the original cork or going with one of the wine stoppers to keep out the air?

SMOWK
01-17-2012, 19:27
Do you find yourself sticking with the original cork or going with one of the wine stoppers to keep out the air?

Excellent question. I have been staring at this stuff at the local "kitchen megamart" for a while now. I do have a few bottles that are open that will probably stay that way for quite some time without being emptied (me, not emptying a bottle, imagine that!). I'll have to give it a try.

MikeK
01-18-2012, 08:56
Do you find yourself sticking with the original cork or going with one of the wine stoppers to keep out the air?

Depends on the cork. If it seems sound I keep it. If I open a bottle and the cork seems dried out or otherwise suspect I immediately decant into a screw-top.

MikeK
01-18-2012, 08:58
I also use Private Preserve and love it. Until I get down to about 1/4 bottle left or so. Then I get a friend or two together and we just finish the bottle.

It also ensures a good supply of friends. :grin:

Agreed! I also tend to decant into smaller bottles as the fill level gets down, to minimize the amount of airspace.

cowdery
01-18-2012, 15:18
I prefer nitrous oxide. It makes everything taste better. :)

steeltownbbq
01-18-2012, 18:27
Do you put the NO in the bottle or in you?

BourbonBaron
01-18-2012, 21:15
Do you put the NO in the bottle or in you?

First swig should come straight from the bottle, then pour as normal.

chefnash51
01-19-2012, 09:09
I've been using PrivatePreserve for a few years now. I like it b/c I don't have to feel rushed to finish a bottle and that allows me to have 20+ bottles opened at once.
Never experienced an issue with whiskey oxidation while using it, and I've had some bottles opened over a year.

trumpstylz
01-19-2012, 15:43
If you are a nut-job like me, get together with your friends and buy it a case at a time from here, works out to $6.50 / bottle delivered.

http://www.winepreserve.com/

Cheers,

5.50 if you buy it on ebay-

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Case-12-Private-Preserve-Spray-Wine-Preserver-/110734621077#ht_1678wt_952

6 if you buy through amazon

http://www.amazon.com/Private-Preserve-Wine-Preservation-System/dp/B003F0SDTC/ref=pd_sbs_hg_3

trumpstylz
01-19-2012, 15:46
Does anyone know if you can take these on your carry on luggage or in your check in luggage (its not flammable i'm guessing)?

hectic1
01-19-2012, 17:13
Does anyone know if you can take these on your carry on luggage or in your check in luggage (its not flammable i'm guessing)?
You can take these in your checked luggage but not your carry on.

timd
01-20-2012, 10:00
I swear by the stuff - and have for ages. A buddy picked some up and used it for a while, and I really appreciated the difference it makes.

Especially for some rarer Scotch and Bourbons that I might have open for a year+, this comes in really handy. I can always tell a difference after about 6 months (when the bottle is at or below half-way empty) when I forgot to use it - especially if it's a few months between pours.

Well worth the price - and a single bottle of this stuff lasts darn near forever.

mrviognier
01-20-2012, 12:32
If you REALLY want the best, get a canister of argon, not nitrogen. Nitrogen's molecular weight is lighter than air...so, when you spray it down into a bottle, it floats back up & out. Argon is heavier than air, and creates a 'blanket' barrier between the liquid and air. Of course, argon is 7+ times more expensive than nitrogen.

If you DO use nitrogen, tilt the bottle at an angle before you spray it in. This way you've a better chance of trapping it in the bottle. And use bar top stoppers if available.

And whatever you do, don't waste your money on those crappy Vacu-Vin stoppers & pumps. Huge waste of time and money.

BFerguson
01-21-2012, 03:30
If you REALLY want the best, get a canister of argon, not nitrogen. Nitrogen's molecular weight is lighter than air...so, when you spray it down into a bottle, it floats back up & out. Argon is heavier than air, and creates a 'blanket' barrier between the liquid and air. Of course, argon is 7+ times more expensive than nitrogen.

If you DO use nitrogen, tilt the bottle at an angle before you spray it in. This way you've a better chance of trapping it in the bottle. And use bar top stoppers if available.

And whatever you do, don't waste your money on those crappy Vacu-Vin stoppers & pumps. Huge waste of time and money.

For those thinking, "Thanks Mat, but where the hell do I get Argon-that seems really exotic??" Read the following.

Well, I'm happy to say that you can get it in similar cans to the above mentioned nitrogen. It you have a local woodworking store like a Rockler or Woodcraft, look for a product by the name of Bloxygen-Amazon and others also carry it. Your local big box will probably not have it.

I've have a can and have used it for the original purpose of preventing woodworking finishes-varnish, from skinning over or gelling due to the exposure to oxygen once the can it opened. The stuff works!! Bit more expensive, but a can does seemingly last forever. I'm thinking mine been around for 6-7 years now and still is going.

I would try it on a bottle, but rarely have had something open for a extended period of time.

Or you could use something like this, http://weldingdirect.com/gascyl55cfar.html , but I think the above is a bit easier, and cheaper. :grin:


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mrviognier
01-21-2012, 06:58
That's GREAT news, BF! I've been using an old rig I had for my winery, but just might have to track down a few cans of Bloxygen. Thanks for the lead.

Every now and then I encounter someone who complains that Private Preserve (& other Nitrogen systems) 'don't work'. It's all due to the weight of the gas, and the fact that they don't use enough and/or don't tilt the bottle.

Argon is the way to go...or you can just drain the bottle within a month after you open it. :grin:

trumpstylz
01-21-2012, 07:45
look for a product by the name of Bloxygen


Does it come with a straw type thing like the private preserve for adding to the bottle? how do you use it?

CaptainQ
01-21-2012, 09:26
Does it come with a straw type thing like the private preserve for adding to the bottle? how do you use it?

Yes. Just put straw in bottle, spray for 2-3 seconds, done.

nblair
01-21-2012, 09:38
Has anyone ever ruined a bottle by using this stuff? For some reason, I think I'd be nervous spraying it into a bottle of PVW 20.

CaptainQ
01-21-2012, 10:37
Has anyone ever ruined a bottle by using this stuff? For some reason, I think I'd be nervous spraying it into a bottle of PVW 20.

Shouldn't be a problem as it's inert, colorless, tasteless and very non reactive. I use nitrogen on all my bottles, but I'll be using argon from now on.

Special Reserve
01-21-2012, 11:33
Air is 78% Nitrogen, nearly 21% oxygen, and nearly 1% argon.

Argon is a "noble" or inert gas.

As pointed out above, Argon is heavier than air and is the superior choice if you are inclined to do this.

steeltownbbq
01-21-2012, 17:50
I've got some argon/C02 mix in my welding rig.... could I use that?

or would if be better to just drink more and avoid the storage issue altogether?

chefnash51
01-21-2012, 17:55
Private preserve uses argon, carbon dioxide, and nitrogen. Not just carbon dioxide and it's not too expensive.

BFerguson
01-22-2012, 03:50
That's GREAT news, BF! I've been using an old rig I had for my winery, but just might have to track down a few cans of Bloxygen. Thanks for the lead.

Every now and then I encounter someone who complains that Private Preserve (& other Nitrogen systems) 'don't work'. It's all due to the weight of the gas, and the fact that they don't use enough and/or don't tilt the bottle.

Argon is the way to go...or you can just drain the bottle within a month after you open it. :grin:

You are welcome Mat. I have to say, imagining the tank behind the bar or hidden somewhere in you house certainly paints quite the picture. I wasn't expected that one at all. Hopefully this will get you fewer weird looks in the future if somebody is watching you cap the bottle off with some gas.

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mrviognier
01-22-2012, 06:47
It's not that obtrusive...it sits behind the bar wall, the hose snaking through the wall, and the pistol-like actuator hangs on a hook. Use it for wines and my whiskies. The cylinder will last me for a decade or more.

pepcycle
01-23-2012, 16:23
Don't we have enough real stuff to worry about without making stuff up!