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Josh
01-18-2012, 12:51
This according to our good friend Tom Fischer at Bourbon Blog.

http://www.bourbonblog.com/blog/2012/01/18/kentucky-bourbon-distillers-start-distilling/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=kentucky-bourbon-distillers-start-distilling

Sure is exciting news. Any thoughts?

P.S. Thanks to Keith for tweeting the link.

sku
01-18-2012, 13:08
The photo shows a pot still. Is that what they're using?

Brisko
01-18-2012, 13:13
I'm proud of them.:slappin:

Seriously, though, "The grains are arriving today, the yeast is already on site and the barrels are ready to house the new-make spirit. Once the new-make spirit comes off the still, it will be brought down to barrel-strength, and, in the cistern room, that spirit will be filled into charred oak containers."

One assumes that they have made arrangements for fermentation, too... last I checked that's still an important early step. I guess it's not sexy enough to make it into the write-up.

barturtle
01-18-2012, 13:31
The photo shows a pot still. Is that what they're using?

It's one of two stills on site, the other is in a fairly narrow tower and doesn't photograph well.

StraightNoChaser
01-18-2012, 13:57
It's one of two stills on site, the other is in a fairly narrow tower and doesn't photograph well.
Is it camera shy?

Gillman
01-18-2012, 14:16
Great-looking still, it looks very old.

Gary

cowdery
01-18-2012, 14:40
In September, I made a deal with Drew that if he'll give me a date-certain when the first batch will be run, I'll be there for the event. In return, he stops telling me how close they are.

I haven't heard from him.

My skepticism is because the Kulsveens have been telling me they're "close" for more than 20 years.

camduncan
01-18-2012, 15:53
I'm personally excited for them.... I hope it happens soon and is a great success!

White Dog
01-18-2012, 16:08
I sure hope it happens. When Scotch sales spike, silent stills return to producing. Why hasn't this happened in the U.S.??

Rather than simply hearing about the existing majors' expansions, I'd love to see Willett, Medley, and anyone else go live again.

steeltownbbq
01-18-2012, 19:22
Drew is on twitter http://twitter.com/bbnboy no mention of starting production.

K_Henderson
01-19-2012, 11:09
Spoke to Drew recently. They should have everything LAST week, and may already be doing test runs...

tmckenzie
01-19-2012, 16:48
I heard things were going as well.

DeanSheen
01-19-2012, 19:06
It's groundhog day again? Man, that was fast.

p_elliott
01-23-2012, 11:06
I actually think it really may be a go this time our good friend Dougdog just went to work for them. I don't think he would unless it was really a go.

cowdery
01-23-2012, 16:25
Dave Pickerell is helping them. He posted to Facebook over the weekend that they're up and running now, although no details were forthcoming.

pepcycle
01-23-2012, 17:19
I need to be there. I can't explain it.

Isn't anyone else making a clay model of the pot still in their living room, while wearing a robe?

I feel a close encounter.

Josh
01-23-2012, 17:53
Which will happen first, KBD-distilled bourbon hitting the shelves, or Richard Dreyfuss (or Ed) boarding an alien spacecraft in Wyoming?

callmeox
01-23-2012, 20:15
Which will happen first, KBD-distilled bourbon hitting the shelves, or Richard Dreyfuss (or Ed) boarding an alien spacecraft in Wyoming?

Fark you for asking.

/oblig?

cowdery
01-23-2012, 22:52
I genuinely wish them the best but it's hard to get too excited since, I don't know, about 500 people around the country beat them to it.

Josh
01-24-2012, 09:08
I wish them well too, but we've all heard this song before. Until I hear someone associated with them say something specific like "We have started distilling" or "We barreled our first batch of bourbon (or rye or whatever) today" and not vague 2nd hand statements like, "Things are up and running", I remain skeptical.

And even if they do start distilling for real, it may not be any good. There's always that.

p_elliott
01-24-2012, 09:29
The one thing that KBD has going for them is they should have the financial back bone to be able to age their product properly. No 1 and 2 yr old bourbons from 30 gallon barrels should be coming out of there. The have the experience with blending barrels and single barrels to know what they are looking for. If anyone has a shot at doing this they should. I wish them luck we'll know more in 6 or 7 years or so.

cowdery
01-24-2012, 15:11
Well, there's up and running and there's up and running. I believe Pickerell if he says they have fired up a still, and a few test runs are inevitable. That's not the same as actually going into production, making full batches, and filling barrels, day after day. This is a milestone, though, just with a long way yet to go.

jburlowski
01-24-2012, 17:57
I genuinely wish them the best but it's hard to get too excited since, I don't know, about 500 people around the country beat them to it.

I'm sorry... I didn't realize there was a competition.

cowdery
01-25-2012, 11:03
I'm sorry... I didn't realize there was a competition.

Point is that there are new micro-distilleries opening every day in this country. This one has been all talk and no action for 20 years. So why all the excitement when they finally do something? Prodigal son, I guess. (I never understood it in the Bible either.)

hectic1
01-25-2012, 12:26
Point is that there are new micro-distilleries opening every day in this country. This one has been all talk and no action for 20 years. So why all the excitement when they finally do something? Prodigal son, I guess. (I never understood it in the Bible either.)At least now you'll be able to stop asking for the source of their whiskey! ;)

cowdery
01-25-2012, 17:26
At least now you'll be able to stop asking for the source of their whiskey! ;)

Doubtful. They've got a very long way to go before they can stop buying whiskey and that may not even be their plan.

p_elliott
01-26-2012, 09:31
At least now you'll be able to stop asking for the source of their whiskey! ;)

I going to have to agree with Chuck on this one. I don't foresee KBD producing enough whiskey for their needs. Secondly they have established brands that they need that purchased whiskey for to maintain the profile.

hectic1
01-26-2012, 10:16
I going to have to agree with Chuck on this one. I don't foresee KBD producing enough whiskey for their needs. Secondly they have established brands that they need that purchased whiskey for to maintain the profile.
Really...you know for a fact that they aren't going to be able to produce enough whiskey to satisfy their distribution needs? You know for a fact that they're locked into a specific profile for said brands? Didn't your beloved WT just make some changes to their products? ;)

By my math they'll be able to produce roughly 4600 barrels a year which is a pretty good amount of whiskey. Now it's going to take some time, at a minimum 4yrs before we start seeing KBD distilled bourbon making it's way into their bottles. I would have a hard time believing that they're doing this and still plan on being dependent on other distilleries to meet their needs.

Josh
01-26-2012, 10:49
Really...you know for a fact that they aren't going to be able to produce enough whiskey to satisfy their distribution needs? You know for a fact that they're locked into a specific profile for said brands? Didn't your beloved WT just make some changes to their products? ;)

By my math they'll be able to produce roughly 4600 barrels a year which is a pretty good amount of whiskey. Now it's going to take some time, at a minimum 4yrs before we start seeing KBD distilled bourbon making it's way into their bottles. I would have a hard time believing that they're doing this and still plan on being dependent on other distilleries to meet their needs.

We don't know for a fact that they've started barreling anything yet. Why would they want to change what has been a very successful business model for them?

Seems much more likely to me that if they do start/have started distilling, they will keep the NDP/Bottler thing going and add their own product to the mix in brands like Kentucky Vintage and/or use their own distilled stuff for new brands.

Of course I have no right to ask or speculate about such things.

callmeox
01-26-2012, 11:25
Yeah, look for the KBD sourced Willet Estate bottlings any day now. :rolleyes:

Man, the KoolAid is strong in this thread.

White Dog
01-26-2012, 11:27
We don't know for a fact that they've started barreling anything yet. Why would they want to change what has been a very successful business model for them?

Seems much more likely to me that if they do start/have started distilling, they will keep the NDP/Bottler thing going and add their own product to the mix in brands like Kentucky Vintage and/or use their own distilled stuff for new brands.

Of course I have no right to ask or speculate about such things.

It has been a successful business model up until this point, but as bulk bourbon and Rye becomes more scarce, this could be their plan to counter that.

p_elliott
01-26-2012, 11:41
Really...you know for a fact that they aren't going to be able to produce enough whiskey to satisfy their distribution needs? You know for a fact that they're locked into a specific profile for said brands? Didn't your beloved WT just make some changes to their products? ;)

By my math they'll be able to produce roughly 4600 barrels a year which is a pretty good amount of whiskey. Now it's going to take some time, at a minimum 4yrs before we start seeing KBD distilled bourbon making it's way into their bottles. I would have a hard time believing that they're doing this and still plan on being dependent on other distilleries to meet their needs.

I don't know a fact about anything about KBD distilling and neither do you.

hectic1
01-26-2012, 12:03
I don't know a fact about anything about KBD distilling and neither do you.

Thanks for telling me what I know and don't know again Paul...I'm so blessed that you provide that service for me!

p_elliott
01-26-2012, 12:10
Thanks for telling me what I know and don't know again Paul...I'm so blessed that you provide that service for me!
You'll sleep easier !

tmckenzie
01-26-2012, 16:08
I cannot figure out why a lot of comments in this thread have been so negative. so they have taken a long time to get going. Good for them. Probably did it when they had money to spend to keep from borrowing money. That is smart. They have sense enough to make a good product, and I bet they will do so. That is a hell of a lot more than I can say for a lot of the other microdistillers.

kyrocklover
01-26-2012, 17:44
I currently like the product(s) they are putting out right now and I'm looking forward to this product.

White Dog
01-26-2012, 19:59
If Willett has actually risen from the ashes, and we still don't know for sure, we better get them on Josh's Whiskey Tree fast.

Hey Josh, why don't you ask Drew for his mashbill percentages? I'm sure he'll tell you.:lol: :lol: :lol:

tommyboy38
01-26-2012, 20:38
I look forward to trying some KBD after it ages.

Josh
01-26-2012, 21:49
I cannot figure out why a lot of comments in this thread have been so negative. so they have taken a long time to get going. Good for them. Probably did it when they had money to spend to keep from borrowing money. That is smart. They have sense enough to make a good product, and I bet they will do so. That is a hell of a lot more than I can say for a lot of the other microdistillers.

I can't speak for anyone else, but my skepticism is not because it has taken them a long time, but because every few years somebody would post and say they were ready to start any day now or had gotten their first grain shipment in or something and then we wouldn't hear anything from them again for another year or two. It got real old.

Ejmharris
01-27-2012, 03:12
Check out Tweet from Drew 8 hours ago:

https://twitter.com/bbnboy/status/162707815159439360


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Josh
01-27-2012, 05:39
Check out Tweet from Drew 8 hours ago:

https://twitter.com/bbnboy/status/162707815159439360


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Well, that seems to be pretty good evidence, and a good looking still at that. Thanks for posting EJ!

Gillman
01-27-2012, 08:31
Interesting about the pot still. Is this a second run, the first being done in a column still? Or is it the first, with the second being done in...? Any information?

What did Willett's use when it operated?

Gary

barturtle
01-27-2012, 09:13
Interesting about the pot still. Is this a second run, the first being done in a column still? Or is it the first, with the second being done in...? Any information?

What did Willett's use when it operated?

Gary

I don't think the pot still was an original part of the operation.

I'm pretty sure both the column and doubler are the originals and were either still on site or tracked down and repurchased.

Rughi
01-27-2012, 21:02
I don't think the pot still was an original part of the operation.

I'm pretty sure both the column and doubler are the originals and were either still on site or tracked down and repurchased.

I think you've almost got it, Timothy. IIRC, the column is original to Waterfill and Frazier and came to Willett via Mexico, where it went during Prohibition. Not sure if the doubler came with or separate.

Roger

cowdery
01-27-2012, 21:07
Willett was making fuel ethanol at the end so they wouldn't have needed a doubler and they probably had to do some work on the beer still to make it suitable for whiskey-making again (i.e., take out rectification plates, put in copper).

As for the attitude, look at it this way. Imagine you've been seeing a woman (or man) and she (he) tells you that you will be allowed to consummate the relationship "soon," and then keeps telling you that for 20 years.

It's sort of like that.

doubleblank
01-28-2012, 07:05
"To clarify the things that have been posted about our company, I will tell you everything. I am Even's son Drew. I designed the website, very basic indeed but it serves the purpose. We are going through major rennovations at our plant. We have completely gutted our distillery and will be producing again later this fall. As for the pot distillation process, everyone uses one. But our pot still has a specially designed Corcorhan film tray section that purifies it even more. As for our current stock, we are having it made under contract using our formulas that have been dating back to the Willett days. We are having a new copper pot still that is being made at the moment and will be delivered to us toward the end of this month. This will be independent from our standard distillation process. As for production we will begin producing sometime in Sept./Nov. We plan to mash about 200 Bushels a day. If anyone has any questions feel free to send me an email or a private message. Oh, and as for the picture, it's all I had. We are going to reshoot another picture upon completion. And for those of you that mentioned HH, they used to bottle our Old Bardstown for KY, but we bottle it now. And one more thing, our warehouses are not empty which many of you may have believed."

The "tude" mostly comes from this post here at SB from July........2004 by Drew Kulsveen. And many more thereafter.

But glad to see they're in operation.

Hey Rodger, many years ago I made a visit to Vendome and was pointed to a still purportedly from the W&F plant in Juarez MX. Did KBD have it repaired and buy it?

Randy

Rughi
01-28-2012, 09:43
...Hey Rodger, many years ago I made a visit to Vendome and was pointed to a still purportedly from the W&F plant in Juarez MX. Did KBD have it repaired and buy it?

Randy

You know, I may have mis-remembered the whole thing, but I thought that Even had bought it at auction and brought it back from Mexico after it had been used to distill Tequila for a long time.

I found part of why I thought this from a thread 4 years ago, but re-reading it, there were a few similar, but not identical, thoughts of that still's history, the Beam family, Vendome, and Waterfill & Frazier.

Starting at Post #59:
http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?p=121593&highlight=waterfill+Willett+still#post121593

T Comp
01-28-2012, 10:12
You know, I may have mis-remembered the whole thing, but I thought that Even had bought it at auction and brought it back from Mexico after it had been used to distill Tequila for a long time.

I found part of why I thought this from a thread 4 years ago, but re-reading it, there were a few similar, but not identical, thoughts of that still's history, the Beam family, Vendome, and Waterfill & Frazier.

Starting at Post #59:
http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?p=121593&highlight=waterfill+Willett+still#post121593

Thread drift here but the photo Bettye Jo then links back to, of her family of Beams, that she posted back in 2002 is awesome. I enjoy some of these "dusty" posts almost as much as the liquid stuff :cool: .

cowdery
01-28-2012, 11:47
My understanding is that the still from Juarez is the one Joe Beam took there at the beginning of Prohibition. It's well worn and more of a museum piece (would that there were such a museum) than something that could or should be put back into operation.

MacinJosh
01-29-2012, 12:53
We don't know for a fact that they've started barreling anything yet.

As of today, I can tell you for a fact they have.

Josh
01-29-2012, 13:21
As of today, I can tell you for a fact they have.

What's your source?

TomH
01-29-2012, 14:02
Source is Drew... With picture on Facebook

Old Lamplighter
01-29-2012, 14:59
As for the attitude, look at it this way. Imagine you've been seeing a woman (or man) and she (he) tells you that you will be allowed to consummate the relationship "soon," and then keeps telling you that for 20 years.

It's sort of like that.

Very True....But now, it appears to be the biggest thing (possibly) going down in KY since the end of Prohibition judging by the discussion, talk, cross-talk, fire, cross-fire, etc., etc., etc.

Josh
01-29-2012, 16:10
Source is Drew... With picture on Facebook

Thanks Tom.

13088

callmeox
01-29-2012, 16:54
Source is Drew... With picture on Facebook

Probably a barrel of water.


(kidding)


Congrats to them on making it happen.

Who signed the barrel with I.P. Freely?

MacinJosh
01-29-2012, 21:25
What's your source?

Doesn't anyone use Twitter? ;)

Drew tweeted a picture of that barrel 2 days ago. I suggest anyone interested in breaking news on this thread "follow" him.

Josh
01-29-2012, 21:32
Doesn't anyone use Twitter? ;)

Drew tweeted a picture of that barrel 2 days ago. I suggest anyone interested in breaking news on this thread "follow" him.

Thanks for the tip. I'll sign up for twitter right away.

MacinJosh
01-31-2012, 22:02
Sorry if I came off a little snarky Josh. I was just trying to be a bit of a smartass.

Honestly, I really like Twitter because it's a quick and easy way to "follow" what people/companies are doing that I'm interested in. It's like a personalized news feed. Good stuff!