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awachatz
01-28-2012, 01:08
Some of the higher proof bourbons use the terminology of being Barrel Strength or Cask Strength. I am assuming that those terms are used synonymously. Does anyone discern any differences between the two?

I seem to enjoy higher proof bourbons the most. Can anyone suggest any others to try in addition to the following:

GTS
WLW
PHC
Booker's

hectic1
01-28-2012, 03:49
They are one in the same...

PHC is on their 5th release and so far only 2 of the 5 have been cask/barrel strength releases so PHC wouldn't always fall into that category.

Four Roses has a barrel proof product and IMO stands toe to toe with the BTAC stuff. The one caveot to that is that the FR bottles are single barrels where the BTAC stuff is batched so you have to trust that whoever is picking the barrels has a good pallet or at least one that aligns with your preferences.

BTAC also has Handy in the collection which is a 6-7yr old cask strength rye whiskey.

There are also various Willett bottles out there that range from 2yr rye's to 23yr bourbons. I've been lucky enough to score some bottles of Willett that I would take over GTS, WLW, or PHC everyday of the week. I wouldn't discount the bourbon that they have just because the aren't HH, BT, or FR.

I hope this helps. :cool:

HP12
01-28-2012, 08:22
I'd have to offer Abraham Bowman Limited Edition Bourbon as another fine barrel strength consideration for the cabinet.

bad_scientist
01-28-2012, 08:30
I'd have to offer Abraham Bowman Limited Edition Bourbon as another fine barrel strength consideration for the cabinet.

Did you pick up a single barrel or the small batch? Maryland was selling a barrel proof Bowman, but I never looked to see whether it was single barrel.

hectic1
01-28-2012, 09:20
Did you pick up a single barrel or the small batch? Maryland was selling a barrel proof Bowman, but I never looked to see whether it was single barrel. The Maryland version is a small batch bottling.

JayMonster
02-06-2012, 15:50
Wild Turkey Rare Breed is Barrel Strength as well (if I am not mistaken) and well regarded.

White Dog
02-06-2012, 19:51
Wild Turkey Rare Breed is Barrel Strength as well (if I am not mistaken) and well regarded.

The website states that, but technically it's not Barrel Strength, unless they're magically finding lots of barrels at the same proof. Same for OGD 114. Love the high proof, but there are always variations in barrels.

Josh
02-07-2012, 07:23
The website states that, but technically it's not Barrel Strength, unless they're magically finding lots of barrels at the same proof. Same for OGD 114. Love the high proof, but there are always variations in barrels.

I find it hard to believe too but they could always mix a bunch together to achieve a certain proof. It's NAS too, so gives them more flexability.

Young Blacksmith
02-07-2012, 07:29
If you watch Julian Van Winkle's interview on the Buffalo Trace Oral History website he gives a little info about SW Weller 7/107. They barreled at a low proof, around 107, and diluted just enough to get it back to 107 when bottling it. SW called it barrel strength.

Not sure what proof WT barrels at, probably around 120, but I also find it hard to believe it comes back at 108 proof. Doesn't diminish my like for Rare Breed though!

p_elliott
02-07-2012, 08:05
I don't know the exact proof that WT barrels at but it's less than 108 so Rare Breed is coming off the upper floors of the rickhouse. WT prides themselves on their low barreling proof.

jaycamm
02-07-2012, 15:13
Don't forget Noah's Mill. 114 Proof.

cowdery
02-07-2012, 15:28
The website states that, but technically it's not Barrel Strength, unless they're magically finding lots of barrels at the same proof. Same for OGD 114. Love the high proof, but there are always variations in barrels.

It's not single barrel, so what's the issue. Why would all of the barrels have to be the same proof? It's barrel strength if no water is added. Of course the dumped barrels don't all come in at the same proof. So what?

cowdery
02-07-2012, 15:29
If you watch Julian Van Winkle's interview on the Buffalo Trace Oral History website he gives a little info about SW Weller 7/107. They barreled at a low proof, around 107, and diluted just enough to get it back to 107 when bottling it. SW called it barrel strength.

Not sure what proof WT barrels at, probably around 120, but I also find it hard to believe it comes back at 108 proof. Doesn't diminish my like for Rare Breed though!

Wild Turkey barrels at 115, up from 110 a few years ago.

JayMonster
02-07-2012, 15:34
It's not single barrel, so what's the issue. Why would all of the barrels have to be the same proof? It's barrel strength if no water is added. Of course the dumped barrels don't all come in at the same proof. So what?

I presume his argument is that WTRB is labeled at 108.2 Proof and does not vary. Since what proof a barrel comes out at varies, that not every batch would come out at exactly the same proof. So, his belief would be that they MUST dilute to reach the exact level every time.

nblair
02-07-2012, 18:36
I recall seeing an advertisement about a year ago that listed the proof of Rare Breed as 108.x. Opened up my liquor cabinet and my bottle was 108.y. Can't recall the exact numbers, but they were without a doubt different. I've never had two bottles at the same time to compare. Guess that's the downfall of having a delicious and easily accessible bourbon around - I don't need to hoard it like canned goods before a nuclear attack...

Young Blacksmith
02-07-2012, 18:53
Wild Turkey barrels at 115, up from 110 a few years ago.

Thanks Chuck!

Now I can see how they do it, along with bringing together a bunch of barrels.

White Dog
02-07-2012, 19:27
I presume his argument is that WTRB is labeled at 108.2 Proof and does not vary. Since what proof a barrel comes out at varies, that not every batch would come out at exactly the same proof. So, his belief would be that they MUST dilute to reach the exact level every time.

That's exactly my point. Thank you.

Lazer
02-07-2012, 20:22
Wild Turkey barrels at 115, up from 110 a few years ago.

Dear Whiskey Industry,
STOP messin' with OUR whiskey!,:hot: please.:grin:
Thank you.
Lazer.

cowdery
02-08-2012, 11:25
And, of course, they couldn't possibly just add higher- or lower-proof barrels to the dump tank until the batch achieves the desired proof. They have to be doing something dishonest.

Never try to reason with a conspiracy theorist. I have to remember that rule.

Booker's has always been labeled with a proof range. nblair's experience suggests that Turkey is simply labeling each batch with that batch's slightly different proof, both of which are good solutions. But more likely they're trying to screw us, especially if we live in Wisconsin.

sob0728
02-08-2012, 11:45
From the website:

Rare Breed is a "barrel-proof bourbon," meaning it is bottled directly from a variety of barrels at the proof it reaches in those barrels, with no added water to lower the proof or dilute the flavor. This bourbon is a unique marriage of Wild Turkey 6, 8, and 12 year old stocks, which give the whiskey a rich, exceptional flavor that is remarkably smooth, considering its high alcohol content.

bad_scientist
02-08-2012, 12:18
From the website:

Rare Breed is a "barrel-proof bourbon," meaning it is bottled directly from a variety of barrels at the proof it reaches in those barrels, with no added water to lower the proof or dilute the flavor. This bourbon is a unique marriage of Wild Turkey 6, 8, and 12 year old stocks, which give the whiskey a rich, exceptional flavor that is remarkably smooth, considering its high alcohol content.

Maybe that's why there is so much inconsistency between batches (at least from what I've experienced). The relative amounts of each stock can change quite a bit every time a new batch is made.

White Dog
02-08-2012, 12:36
And, of course, they couldn't possibly just add higher- or lower-proof barrels to the dump tank until the batch achieves the desired proof. They have to be doing something dishonest.

Never try to reason with a conspiracy theorist. I have to remember that rule.

Booker's has always been labeled with a proof range. nblair's experience suggests that Turkey is simply labeling each batch with that batch's slightly different proof, both of which are good solutions. But more likely they're trying to screw us, especially if we live in Wisconsin.

Never said they were trying to "screw us." And sure, maybe they blend various proof barrels to always achieve 108.2. I would have thought they were blending for a flavor profile, rather than a proof, but hey, what do I know?

And hey Cowdery, if my posts are so full of shit, why not use the "ignore" option that you recommend to others?

StraightNoChaser
02-08-2012, 12:53
With an attitude like that it would be a miracle if he didn't :grin:

sob0728
02-08-2012, 12:58
And hey Cowdery, if my posts are so full of shit, why not use the "ignore" option that you recommend to others?

I don't mean to get in the middle of this long-standing feud and sound like Dr. Phil or anything, but White Dog, if you are so cynical about the industry and all this other stuff you need to just go somewhere else and do something that you enjoy. Quite often you let loose with some post that is the equivalent of pissing on a kid's birthday cake. We're all here to have fun and discuss bourbon/rye and you just have this incredibly off-putting negative energy to some of your posts.

It makes you sound like Cowdery talking about KBD. :grin:

Restaurant man
02-08-2012, 13:59
Aside from the fact that companies like wild turkey have noting to fear from regulators secretly testing and handing out major fines for slight differences in ABV percentages from bottle to bottle:

"For bottled spirits over 100 ml containing no solids, actual alcohol content is allowed to vary within 0.15% of abv stated on the label."

that is from wikipedia, so you know its true...

mosugoji64
02-08-2012, 14:14
pissing on a kid's birthday cake.:

The image of someone doing that while surrounded by crying/incredulous children made me laugh hysterically. Thank you :slappin:

JayMonster
02-08-2012, 14:30
I never imagined that beinging up Wild Turkey Rare Breed as a cask strength bkurbon would send this thread spiraling down uncontrollably until we reached pissing on birthday cakes. :rolleyes:

Brisko
02-08-2012, 14:33
Maybe that's why there is so much inconsistency between batches (at least from what I've experienced). The relative amounts of each stock can change quite a bit every time a new batch is made.

Haven't they been using the same batch number for the last several years (WT03B or whatever)? Surely you're not implying that they've actually released more than one batch with the same labels :bigeyes:


/actually, it is kind of weird how started out using new batch numbers and then seemingly quit. Unless of course they bottled a huge batch and have been releasing it piecemeal ever since.:skep:

Young Blacksmith
02-08-2012, 19:17
Or did they make a huge vatting and have been trickling bottles out of the tank, ala Saz 18.

bad_scientist
02-08-2012, 19:24
There is no way they just did one large vatting. The bottles I've had have been so vastly different that they couldn't possibly have come from the same mega-tank.

cowdery
02-08-2012, 19:29
Never said they were trying to "screw us." And sure, maybe they blend various proof barrels to always achieve 108.2. I would have thought they were blending for a flavor profile, rather than a proof, but hey, what do I know?

And hey Cowdery, if my posts are so full of shit, why not use the "ignore" option that you recommend to others?

I usually reserve 'ignore' for people who never post anything worth reading. You're not there...yet.

cowdery
02-08-2012, 19:32
There is no way they just did one large vatting. The bottles I've had have been so vastly different that they couldn't possibly have come from the same mega-tank.

It's possible the batch numbers are fake, people have been known to do that, but that would surprise me a little.

bad_scientist
02-08-2012, 19:38
It's possible the batch numbers are fake, people have been known to do that, but that would surprise me a little.


Okay, maybe they could be if they kept it in the same tank over the years, so the batch would be exposed to more and more air each year as bottles were filled and the liquid level went down. I'm not taking a stance on the accuracy of their label, but my own taste tells me that the various pours I had have experienced pretty different conditions.

callmeox
02-08-2012, 19:52
I never imagined that beinging up Wild Turkey Rare Breed as a cask strength bkurbon would send this thread spiraling down uncontrollably until we reached pissing on birthday cakes. :rolleyes:

There's no telling what will set this place aflame. :icon_pidu: :70358-devil: :horseshit:

Brisko
02-08-2012, 20:21
It's possible the batch numbers are fake, people have been known to do that, but that would surprise me a little.


A quick search brought up this thread; http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12017

It appears that they used discrete batch numbers for several years but it's been the same batch number since '03. So either they a)quit using real batch nos., or b) made one huge batch.

Unless anyone has seen a more recent batch number?

/my OGD 114 says Lot #1, too, for what it's worth

BradleyC
02-08-2012, 20:48
pissing on birthday cakes. :rolleyes:

I thought I would try to bring some humor to this thread. This is the best I could do.

Old Lamplighter
02-08-2012, 22:15
There's no telling what will set this place aflame. :icon_pidu: :70358-devil: :horseshit:

True...and though I am a fan of WTRB, never would I have thought it would be the fuse to the dynamite. Usually that is reserved for the allocated and abandoned labels...interesting reading just the same.

JayMonster
02-10-2012, 15:00
Well, at the risk of starting another flame out, but in trying to get this thread back on track to the original question, another higher proof (which they call "near" Barrel Strength) is the Knob Creek Single Barrel.

I know this is one that is not very highly regarded... but it is one of very few High Proof bourbons I would even consider drinking neat.

edo
02-10-2012, 21:59
Blanton's sells 'Straight From The Barrel Bourbon' overseas/duty free shops only. I had a nice pour of it last night. (Dumped 8/26/09, 131.9 proof) Great stuff in my opinion, and I cut it very only just a little.

I saw an interview recently ... (can't seem to find it now to link ... whiskey blog out of Louisville I think) .. but they said they started producing the barrel/cask strength in 2004? because they were asked by the French. Also mentioned something about the burden of some countries' tax systems being reduced somehow by producing different proofs for export...but maybe that was the 80 proof green label. They also held out some promise of one day selling it domestically.

Found the link:

http://www.bourbonblog.com/blog/2011/10/27/the-best-bourbons-you-may-never-taste-blantons-bourbon-collection-tasting/

... have to watch it again to compare what is said to what I wrote from a two-day memory, ... figure my geezer quotient that way.

Discussion of the Straight From The Barrel juice starts at about minute 7:30

ebo
02-11-2012, 15:07
Well, at the risk of starting another flame out, but in trying to get this thread back on track to the original question, another higher proof (which they call "near" Barrel Strength) is the Knob Creek Single Barrel.

I know this is one that is not very highly regarded... but it is one of very few High Proof bourbons I would even consider drinking neat.
I'm a fan of this offering. I happen to like the regular KC quite a bit. I like the KCSBR even better.

Josh
02-11-2012, 17:15
I'm a fan of this offering. I happen to like the regular KC quite a bit. I like the KCSBR even better.

I have a bottle of the KCSB open currently. I like it. It's not as good as Rare Breed, Stagg or any of the Four Roses barrel strength editions, but it's not bad.

ebo
02-11-2012, 17:25
I have a bottle of the KCSB open currently. I like it. It's not as good as Rare Breed, Stagg or any of the Four Roses barrel strength editions, but it's not bad.
I agree, it isn't as good as those you mentioned, but it holds it's own.

awachatz
02-11-2012, 18:45
I have been really wanting to try the Blanton's straight from the barrel, but as it was indicated it is an export product only.

Disappointing that this isn't available for the domestic market.

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bad_scientist
02-11-2012, 18:56
I have a bottle of the KCSB open currently. I like it. It's not as good as Rare Breed, Stagg or any of the Four Roses barrel strength editions, but it's not bad.

I like it, too. I would agree about the ranking, as well. I'd say the 4R and the Stagg are in the top category, the Rare Breed at its best in a slightly lower category, and the KCSB quite below that, but much better than most $20-25 bourbons. I'd only say that it's so, so sweet... I wish there were more of a wood influence.

ebo
02-11-2012, 19:22
I have been really wanting to try the Blanton's straight from the barrel, but as it was indicated it is an export product only.

Disappointing that this isn't available for the domestic market.

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Yea... I hope this becomes available in the States. I like Blanton's a lot, but I rarely buy it, because I think it's too expensive for what it is. I'd gladly pay a bit more for a barrel strength offering, though.

awachatz
02-12-2012, 14:36
In hindsight, I should have purchased a bottle of the barrel proof Abraham Bowman when I had the chance. That is the last time I hesitate. :smiley_acbt: The main reason I enjoy the barrel proof bourbons is that they typically have a more intense flavor. I could really care less what proof a bourbon is, but haven't found many non-barrel proof bourbons that can deliver enough flavor other than wood. Most times the finish is short or non-existent.

Has anyone had any luck with non-barrel proof bourbons that pack a punch in the flavor department and have an above average finish?

CaptainQ
02-12-2012, 21:38
Has anyone had any luck with non-barrel proof bourbons that pack a punch in the flavor department and have an above average finish?

Yes. Old Weller Antique, single barrel, bottled at 107 proof.

JayMonster
02-13-2012, 05:42
Has anyone had any luck with non-barrel proof bourbons that pack a punch in the flavor department and have an above average finish?

Well, actually... 1/2 of all bourbons have an "above average" finish. :lol:

From a slightly more serious, but psychological standpoint, there is something that you can find to criticize in any bourbon, so with your pre-supposition that anything that isn't barrel proof will not have an above average finish, you will always find something wrong with the finish of the non-barrel proof bourbons making it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

From a more subjective point of view (bearing in mind I do not have the experience to have tried as many brands as most others), most wheaters I have tried lean more towards a "clean" (short) finish (sorry CaptainQ, I love OWA as much as anyone, but it is a little short on the finish... which is what I like about it, but still, anybody looking for a complex finish would need to look elsewhere... I believe anyway). Most lower shelf brands either have a short, thin, or below average finish.

But once you get past that point, it becomes nothing more than a matter of taste. I am not personally one for the very high Rye products, so while I am no fan, you certainly can't say that (for example) Wild Turkey short of Rare Breed has a non-existent finish. I know Beam products tend to be the whipping boys of the enthusiast, but you certainly can't say that Knob Creek (though I will admit, I do think the KCSB is superior to standard 100 proof expression), or hell even Jim Beam Black has a non-existent finish (OK, the Black may be a little thin, but not awful). And of course I would be remiss if I didn't mention VanWinkle. I have never had Pappy (and at the price I am unlikely to have it anytime soon), but by all accounts it fits the bill of a less than barrel strength with above average finish. I can also from personal experience at least mention the ORVW 10/107.

My question in return though is... how do you define an "above average" finish that makes only "barrel proof" seem to fit the bill? Is it a long finish? Complex? Or is it just the intensity of the higher proof?

Edited to add: I left Woodford Reserve out of this discussion because I do not particularly care for it. But regardless, it is another that is hardly a thin or non-existent finish, just not one that I would personally call above average since its... unique... taste is not for me. (I almost wish the finish on this was thinner or shorter rather than having that metallic taste linger in my mouth for so long).

Lazer
02-13-2012, 08:01
Has anyone had any luck with non-barrel proof bourbons that pack a punch in the flavor department and have an above average finish?

FR1B at 100 proof has a great finish IMO.

hectic1
02-13-2012, 08:55
From a more subjective point of view (bearing in mind I do not have the experience to have tried as many brands as most others), most wheaters I have tried lean more towards a "clean" (short) finish (sorry CaptainQ, I love OWA as much as anyone, but it is a little short on the finish... which is what I like about it, but still, anybody looking for a complex finish would need to look elsewhere... I believe anyway). Most lower shelf brands either have a short, thin, or below average finish.


Wow...look at this post from the resident expert on finish...have you had the OWA that Dave is referring to? Well, I can answer that question...NO. So your comments here regarding OWA are ill-advised to say the least.

Finish like the rest of the bourbon experience is subjective...without a doubt based on your post here you and I have a different point of reference on what's important.

Your hypothesis that anything that isn't BP will have a something wrong with it is another one I completely disagree with...see Pappy 15, Weller Centennial, WT Tribute, VSOF, etc...I could go on and on and on! ;)

SMOWK
02-13-2012, 08:59
Bring a few non-BP dusties into the fold, and....

JayMonster
02-13-2012, 09:38
Wow...look at this post from the resident expert on finish...have you had the OWA that Dave is referring to? Well, I can answer that question...NO. So your comments here regarding OWA are ill-advised to say the least.

Finish like the rest of the bourbon experience is subjective...without a doubt based on your post here you and I have a different point of reference on what's important.

Your hypothesis that anything that isn't BP will have a something wrong with it is another one I completely disagree with...see Pappy 15, Weller Centennial, WT Tribute, VSOF, etc...I could go on and on and on! ;)

Yeah, I rambled a bit (sorry about that), but expert??? :slappin: :slappin:

Never claimed to be, nor have a desire to be, and tried to emphasize as much quite vehemently to ensure it wasn't taken as such. I don't stand on a soapbox and preach. I just give my (subjective) opinion... long winded as it may be. Sorry if it came off as anything but a long and perhaps over-caffeinated response.

Nope, haven't have the OWA he spoke of, and obviously I can't form an opinion based on what others have had, only my own. So, ill-advised? I'm not so sure... just a difference of opinion based on different experiences.

The BP hypothesis, is NOT mine. I agree with you there. And somewhere in the middle of my ramblings was that point, that there are plenty of non-BP products that have a great finish.

jburlowski
02-13-2012, 15:36
Well, actually... 1/2 of all bourbons have an "above average" finish. :lol:



Actually, I think you are confusing "average" and "mean".

JayMonster
02-13-2012, 16:11
Actually, I think you are confusing "average" and "mean".

"In mathematics, an average, or measure of central tendency, of a data set is a measure of the "middle" value of the data set."


So, no I am not. (Though I do understand what you are trying to say, the "central dency," the "middle of the road" still leaves 1/2 above and 1/2 below.

wripvanwrinkle
02-13-2012, 16:31
Ok, I got the "where everyone's child is above average" joke...

Personally, I find no correlation between ABV and finish. For me, Devil's Cut is an example of a surprisingly good finish that happens to come at a lower ABV.

c2walker
02-13-2012, 18:06
In hindsight, I should have purchased a bottle of the barrel proof Abraham Bowman when I had the chance. That is the last time I hesitate. :smiley_acbt: The main reason I enjoy the barrel proof bourbons is that they typically have a more intense flavor. I could really care less what proof a bourbon is, but haven't found many non-barrel proof bourbons that can deliver enough flavor other than wood. Most times the finish is short or non-existent.

Has anyone had any luck with non-barrel proof bourbons that pack a punch in the flavor department and have an above average finish?

Not to add insult to injury, but I'm sipping the Abraham Bowman Small Batch Barrel Proof right now and it's absolutely sublime. It's surprisingly drinkable neat and has a loooong finish. Now, I haven't tried too many bourbons aged as long as 18 years, but, as far as my tastes are concerned, it blows the BTEC 1991 and 1989 that I tried the other night out of the water.

Moretorque05
03-03-2012, 10:46
Tossing it into the mix... W.H. Harrison Governors Reserve is barrel proof and very much straight from the barrel. I bought a bottle a few days ago and haven't tried it yet, but there sure is a lot of stuff floating around in there. I believe the barrel proof claim!

awachatz
03-03-2012, 11:46
Tossing it into the mix... W.H. Harrison Governors Reserve is barrel proof and very much straight from the barrel. I bought a bottle a few days ago and haven't tried it yet, but there sure is a lot of stuff floating around in there. I believe the barrel proof claim!

It's very good if you enjoy high rye bourbons.

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Bmac
03-03-2012, 16:18
Speaking of "cask strength" there is a store here in town that has a bottle of Four Roses Small Batch Limited Edition for 89 dollars.

I read up on it and it's supposed to be cask strength.

The question i have is it worth the aggressive price?

I have 4R single barrel and love it.

awachatz
03-03-2012, 18:04
Speaking of "cask strength" there is a store here in town that has a bottle of Four Roses Small Batch Limited Edition for 89 dollars.

I read up on it and it's supposed to be cask strength.

The question i have is it worth the aggressive price?

I have 4R single barrel and love it.

I just picked up the 2011 LE FRSB for $69.99. I have heard good things about it, but there is only one to truly find out. I will need to crack it open soon and give it a try.

Phil T
03-03-2012, 18:24
Speaking of "cask strength" there is a store here in town that has a bottle of Four Roses Small Batch Limited Edition for 89 dollars.

I read up on it and it's supposed to be cask strength.

The question i have is it worth the aggressive price?

I have 4R single barrel and love it.

Both the '10&'11 LE SmB are very good, you won't be disappointed .. The $89 price is too high, you should be able to find it about $20 cheaper.

BillP
03-03-2012, 19:31
Both the '10&'11 LE SmB are very good, you won't be disappointed .. The $89 price is too high, you should be able to find it about $20 cheaper.


Love this! But I found it around $35 or so on sale.

Bill

BillP
03-03-2012, 19:34
Love this! But I found it around $35 or so on sale.

Bill

Sorry - this is 4R1B.

Bill

AaronWF
03-03-2012, 21:32
Speaking of "cask strength" there is a store here in town that has a bottle of Four Roses Small Batch Limited Edition for 89 dollars.
I read up on it and it's supposed to be cask strength.
The question i have is it worth the aggressive price?
I have 4R single barrel and love it.

Yes, it's a $90 bourbon. It should only be around $79 at the most, but it's worth $90. Give it a few weeks to open up, but if you love the 1B, this'll knock your socks off.

I'm referring to the 2011 btw. The 2010 is also sublime, but I only just opened mine in the last week.

I hate to self-promote, but I did write about the 2011: http://whiskeywonka.wordpress.com/2012/01/16/four-roses-2011-limited-edition-small-batch/

Bmac
03-03-2012, 22:32
Sorry - this is 4R1B.

Bill

LoL, i was about to cry for a second feeling that the whiskey gods must surely curseTexas ;)

Bmac
03-03-2012, 22:36
Yes, it's a $90 bourbon. It should only be around $79 at the most, but it's worth $90. Give it a few weeks to open up, but if you love the 1B, this'll knock your socks off.

I'm referring to the 2011 btw. The 2010 is also sublime, but I only just opened mine in the last week.

I hate to self-promote, but I did write about the 2011: http://whiskeywonka.wordpress.com/2012/01/16/four-roses-2011-limited-edition-small-batch/

Great review. That flavor profile is right up my alley. I am certain i wont find it anywhere else, so i will just have to flush that 20 dollars. Its not that big of a deal if its good whiskey.

Thanks.

M14Shooter
03-05-2012, 22:52
I had the chance to try the 2012 LE Single Barrel.it was great juice.The nose was full of butter and it had a great spicy finish.It was 114 Proof.Iforgot to ask Al Young what the Yeast Strain was used in this bottling.IMHO the 2012 LE Single Barrel is gone to be something special.Just wanted to give our group a heads up.

Regards,Mike

Bmac
03-06-2012, 06:09
I had the chance to try the 2012 LE Single Barrel.it was great juice.The nose was full of butter and it had a great spicy finish.It was 114 Proof.Iforgot to ask Al Young what the Yeast Strain was used in this bottling.IMHO the 2012 LE Single Barrel is gone to be something special.Just wanted to give our group a heads up.

Regards,Mike

2012? When was it released? Is it generally available now?

M14Shooter
03-06-2012, 10:01
It was a barrel sample.I think He said it would be released in a few weeks.

Regards,Mike

TomH
03-06-2012, 10:05
Iforgot to ask Al Young what the Yeast Strain was used in this bottling.IMHO the 2012 LE Single Barrel is gone to be something special.Just wanted to give our group a heads up.

Regards,Mike

The 2012 LE SB bottling is an OESK. I tasted it myself this weekend (at the 'N" Ultimate Whisky Experience) and agree that it is an excellent release.

Tom

Bmac
03-06-2012, 10:17
It was a barrel sample.I think He said it would be released in a few weeks.

Regards,Mike
There should be a sticky thread about special/limited edition/annual releases :)

p_elliott
03-06-2012, 10:39
There should be a sticky thread about special/limited edition/annual releases :)

There is a forum for it you have been to it.

Bmac
03-06-2012, 11:34
There is a forum for it you have been to it.
The Specialty Bottling one, right? I'll keep a closer watch on it.