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Bourbon Boiler
03-12-2012, 20:34
I have selected 64 whiskeys according to my collection, friends' collections, and general availability. I have seeded them based upon formal reviews, price point, and hype. Over the course of the NCAA Tournament, I plan sample them against each other and declare a champion. A few notes:

1. The tasting will be as blind as possible, but there will be limitations.
2. The seeds were altered a bit to avoid matchups of very similar products in early rounds.
3. In the event that I do not have both drinks available on the correct night, I will rely on others who have both available to report a winner.
4. I will follow the tournament schedule loosely - I have no intention of drinking 32 different whiskeys both Thurday and Friday.

Let the fun begin!!!

cbus
03-12-2012, 20:36
That, sir, is a great idea! Wish I had access to 64 whiskeys. Maybe someday in the future... Post the results when you get them!

Bourbon Boiler
03-12-2012, 20:38
It appears I am unable to upload as an excel file. Here is a poor .pdf of the tourney.

gburger
03-12-2012, 20:45
Brilliant!
I am raising a class to you.
Gregg

CADMixes
03-12-2012, 20:48
Love it--I will be following closely!

SDpappy
03-12-2012, 20:48
Very cool. Are you drinking the barrel proof bourbon at a lower proof? Pretty easy to tell the Stagg I bet!

Bourbon Boiler
03-12-2012, 20:52
My plan is to drink everything neat at bottle proof. In some matchups will be obvious to tell the difference, so it will be impossible to eliminate all biases. I do think there will be some "upsets", particularly as some of my regulars require the right mood and setting.

Bourbon Boiler
03-12-2012, 20:53
I also encourage audience participation!

sku
03-12-2012, 20:56
What are those homemade whiskeys?

Bourbon Boiler
03-12-2012, 20:57
What are those homemade whiskeys?

I bought white dogs (Wheated bourbon, rye bourbon, rye whiskey) last summer and am aging them. I've already bottled the wheater, and hte other two are still in the barrel. They are 16 seeds, so I'm not expecting much from them.

c2walker
03-12-2012, 21:14
I'm looking forward to the potential Woodford Double Oak vs. Woodford Double Oak matchup ;)

mosugoji64
03-13-2012, 04:26
This sounds like a lot of fun! Seeing what comes out on top will be great, especially if it's something unexpected. Keep us posted, and let the games begin!

HP12
03-13-2012, 06:11
Bourbon Brackets...good idea.

May I suggest adding regions? Something like; Mashbill, White Dog, Barrel and Rick House regions?

Can't believe PHC 4th and WLW got snubbed! :grin:

jcg9779
03-13-2012, 06:29
There's almost always a 12 seed that wins over a 5 seed in the tournament. If I were conducting this tasting, that upset would be Bulleit over Noah's Mill.

I just can't get into NM...it ALWAYS tastes hot to me (and I've tried multiple bottles, both NAS and the 15 year).

p_elliott
03-13-2012, 06:58
Very cool idea :cool:

sob0728
03-13-2012, 07:34
Four Roses Single Barrel a 10 seed? Billy Packer (and Jim Rutledge) are outraged!

ncmussell
03-13-2012, 08:47
Wood ford double oak is in there twice! Not fair ;)

GreggJ
03-13-2012, 09:14
This is a great idea. I will definitely be following this one closely.

Let the Games Begin!!!

jburlowski
03-13-2012, 15:55
What is RR 80???????????????????????

Bourbon Boiler
03-13-2012, 16:26
I'm looking forward to the potential Woodford Double Oak vs. Woodford Double Oak matchup ;)

Fixed. Lot B was supposed to be in there.

Bourbon Boiler
03-13-2012, 16:28
Many great whiskeys didn't make the field. I only put in what I believe to have easy access to. I think I will name the regions.

StraightBoston
03-13-2012, 16:28
Brilliant idea -- we'll be expecting frequent updates!

Bourbon Boiler
03-13-2012, 16:30
What is RR 80???????????????????????

A typo which I have corrected.. Should be RR 90 - The 90 proof version of Russell's Reserve. I was cross-eyed by the time I finished this.

Fpst
03-13-2012, 22:54
Just want to say, this is a great idea! Well done sir!

Steve99
03-14-2012, 08:33
This is a great idea! :bowdown:

I'd like to try and play along myself, but I'd have to make some substitutions which would probably throw off the seedings. I think it would also take me much longer than March to work through, but it could at least give some direction to my tasting and be a lot of fun.

My wife would probably get tired of pouring for me so it is blind -- do you have some other methodology for setting up the blind tasting that you can do on your own?

I know it's a "bourbon" bracket -- but ESPN is crying about Jack Daniels having their bubble burst!

Steve

Bourbon Boiler
03-14-2012, 15:42
This is a great idea! :bowdown:

My wife would probably get tired of pouring for me so it is blind -- do you have some other methodology for setting up the blind tasting that you can do on your own?

Steve

My wife will tire of this early, and my daughter at age three isn't up to the challenge. I considered using rocks glasses, wrapping the bottom half in aluminum foil, and putting a mark on the bottom to identify them. I'd give myself enough time to forget after setting them up. I haven't really fgured this out yet. I not only want to forget which glass is which, but which matchup I'm on.

Bourbon Boiler
03-14-2012, 17:16
I didn't bother to make them blind, but in early action number one seeds Pappys 23 and 20 advanced in the Angel's Share and Barrel Char regions repsectively over a pair of homemade aging projects. Blanton's also cruised to an easy victory over JB Devil's Cut in a blind tasting in the Rickhouse Region. Some closer matchups are anticipated this evening.

Bourbon Boiler
03-14-2012, 17:18
I know it's a "bourbon" bracket -- but ESPN is crying about Jack Daniels having their bubble burst!

Steve


And Hubert Davis has condradicted himself three times in a single sentence, while Digger Phelps plays with a highliter which matches his tie.

Bourbon Boiler
03-14-2012, 19:59
A few minor upsets in the closing session of the evening. In the Angel's Share Region, #11 Sazerac Rye upset #6 Basil Hayden. This was made all the more shocking since I've never had a positive thing to say about Saz in the past. It's amazing what tasting blind will do. I wonder if this would have gone differently if this matchup would have been earlier with a fresher pallette. With the taste buds dulled, there's not a lot to pick up with BH and I found it very boring. I also wasn't overpowered with the pine taste from Baby Saz, which I usually am. But, that's the beauty of a single elimination tournament, you have to overcome bad circumstances and bad matchups.

Also in the Angel's Region, #9 Elmer T. Lee scored a minor upset over #8 Single Oak #67. I recognized Elmer despite it being blind, but still a solid victory.

In the Barrel Char region, #7 Eagle Rare 10 needed an overtime session to defeat #10 EC18. I tried to taste each bourbon twice before deciding, but I tasted each three times before leaning toward ER10.

The tournament as it now stands is attached.

Bourbon Boiler
03-15-2012, 19:25
A few results from this evening's matchups. #4 WTKS cruised to a victory over #13 Fighting Cock. In an upset, #11 1792 Ridgemont (TPS Private Barrel) showed the field that it was underseeded, and knocked off #6 Baker's.

Since much of bracket analysis in March revolves around conference affiliation, it should be noted that the Beam Small Batch collection is 0-2, having been upset twice.

Bourbon Boiler
03-15-2012, 21:40
Here is the bracket as it now stands.

SMOWK
03-15-2012, 21:54
This is excellent. Well done!

cigarnv
03-16-2012, 03:16
Well done!! What Willett will you be using?

Bourbon Boiler
03-17-2012, 13:49
It took some time, but the Beam Small Batch collection is on the board. Knob Creek narrowly defeated Wild Turkey 101. I went back and forth on these several times, and kept liking whichever I tried second more. Turkey goes down, but has three of it's older brothers (KS, AS, Trad) still alive.

Steve99
03-17-2012, 14:12
I went back and forth on these several times, and kept liking whichever I tried second more.

I've had this happen to me as well, but only when I do blind tasting. Sometimes it's which one I try first, sometimes the second, but many times the order matters. I think blind makes me pay more attention to my senses, but it is a pain to set up.

This is great fun! I'm glad you came up with the idea. After seeing Duke and Missouri bite the dust, it's more fun for me to see how this bracket emerges!

Steve

Bourbon Boiler
03-17-2012, 15:13
I've had this happen to me as well, but only when I do blind tasting. Sometimes it's which one I try first, sometimes the second, but many times the order matters. I think blind makes me pay more attention to my senses, but it is a pain to set up.

This is great fun! I'm glad you came up with the idea. After seeing Duke and Missouri bite the dust, it's more fun for me to see how this bracket emerges!

Steve

It seems to happen to me when trying two of similar proof, which these are. I find the complexity of the second drink, because I'm nearly perfectly adjusted to the proof already.

Bourbon Boiler
03-17-2012, 20:41
I outsourced a few of the tastings to some interested parties, as I was not going to be able to get my hands on all of the appropriate bottles in a timely manner. Here is the bracket with 22 or 32 first round matchups completed.

Bourbon Boiler
03-22-2012, 21:09
Here is the latest. Unfortunately, due to some changes in plan the remainder of matchups have bottles that won't see each other for a few weekends. If any SB members have both bottles in any remaining 1st round matchup, please respond and you can officiate a few games as well.

Young Blacksmith
03-23-2012, 05:38
Which Willet do you have up against 4R1B? If it's the pot still I can officiate that one.

AaronWF
03-23-2012, 07:58
Here is the latest. Unfortunately, due to some changes in plan the remainder of matchups have bottles that won't see each other for a few weekends. If any SB members have both bottles in any remaining 1st round matchup, please respond and you can officiate a few games as well.

I have a Lot B open and CEHT1B open with BabySaz and VOB BiB in the bunker. I'd rather open my VOB than BabySaz at the moment, but my Lot B is older and much better than the more recent stuff I've had. Also, my CEHT1B is in its final phase and is drinking better than ever, so pitting it against a newly opened BabySaz might be a little unfair.

I also have some Stagg open, I'd just have to go pick up the RR 10/90. Or I could just skip it and say I did it and Stagg can move on...

StraightBoston
03-23-2012, 08:21
I can do WLW vs. OGD, as I'm sure many others can. (I can also tell you which will win, as I'm sure many others can!)

I wish I still had some Lot B, because I think the Lot B vs. VOB matchup will be a close one -- both are understated.

Steve99
03-23-2012, 14:42
I'm happy to pick up the OGD 114 vs. Jefferson Rye. Should be good match up. I like them both!

Bourbon Boiler
03-23-2012, 15:04
Which Willet do you have up against 4R1B? If it's the pot still I can officiate that one.

It can be open ended. I'll update it and make it the pot still. The matchup is yours.

Bourbon Boiler
03-23-2012, 15:07
I have a Lot B open and CEHT1B open with BabySaz and VOB BiB in the bunker. I'd rather open my VOB than BabySaz at the moment, but my Lot B is older and much better than the more recent stuff I've had. Also, my CEHT1B is in its final phase and is drinking better than ever, so pitting it against a newly opened BabySaz might be a little unfair.

I also have some Stagg open, I'd just have to go pick up the RR 10/90. Or I could just skip it and say I did it and Stagg can move on...

The Lot B v. VOB matchup is yours.

Bourbon Boiler
03-23-2012, 15:10
I can do WLW vs. OGD, as I'm sure many others can. (I can also tell you which will win, as I'm sure many others can!)

I wish I still had some Lot B, because I think the Lot B vs. VOB matchup will be a close one -- both are understated.

You can take the OGD Orange against WLW. I already have the winner penciled in, but hey, a 14 beating a 3 isn't unheard of.

Bourbon Boiler
03-23-2012, 15:12
I'm happy to pick up the OGD 114 vs. Jefferson Rye. Should be good match up. I like them both!

It's all yours. Thanks to all of the volunteer participants!

StraightBoston
03-25-2012, 10:33
You can take the OGD Orange against WLW. I already have the winner penciled in, but hey, a 14 beating a 3 isn't unheard of.

This round was held last night but results lost to a sea of "Database error" messages. Favorite WLW (post-graduate class of 2005) did indeed crush OGD 86, which came off thin and grainy in comparison.

I can also "officiate" WLW vs. Knob Creek in Round 2, though as a professed wheater fan, I might be accused of home cooking.

BroInBourbonMD
03-25-2012, 14:02
I have selected 64 whiskeys according to my collection, friends' collections, and general availability. I have seeded them based upon formal reviews, price point, and hype. Over the course of the NCAA Tournament, I plan sample them against each other and declare a champion. A few notes:

1. The tasting will be as blind as possible, but there will be limitations.
2. The seeds were altered a bit to avoid matchups of very similar products in early rounds.
3. In the event that I do not have both drinks available on the correct night, I will rely on others who have both available to report a winner.
4. I will follow the tournament schedule loosely - I have no intention of drinking 32 different whiskeys both Thurday and Friday.

Let the fun begin!!!

Well done!!! When we first started talking about this I thought it was actually just going to be something within out little bourbon group, but this is much better! My deepest apologies for underestimating your bourbon obsession...I will not let it happen again. :bowdown:

Can you send me the latest bracket to see where I can help out...now that most of the low seeds are out, my collection will likely led itself to more of the match ups.

AaronWF
03-25-2012, 16:22
The Lot B v. VOB matchup is yours.

Well Lot B advances, against my odds despite it's higher ranking. The Lot B was a 2008 bottle, much, much more flavorful than the more recent bottles I've had, and to add, it was the end of the bottle. The VOB BiB was cracked for the tasting and was quite a bit overwhelming with bananas.

A more recent Lot B vs. a VOB with some air may have ended quite differently. But from what I had to work with, the Lot B moves ahead.

Steve99
03-26-2012, 11:52
It's all yours. Thanks to all of the volunteer participants!

In a mild upset, OGD 114 beats out the Jefferson Rye. Both played well throughout. Great nose, taste, and finish. However they play completly different styles, and the OGD just out-muscled the Jefferson Rye underneath the bucket. Jefferson Rye had great finesse, and gave lots of lighter but complex nose and flavor, but in the end it couldn't overcome the big bold taste of the OGD.

Steve

Bourbon Boiler
03-27-2012, 15:20
Well done!!! When we first started talking about this I thought it was actually just going to be something within out little bourbon group, but this is much better! My deepest apologies for underestimating your bourbon obsession...I will not let it happen again. :bowdown:



I think you actually just overestimated my bourbon stock.

Young Blacksmith
03-27-2012, 19:04
Up tonight is the matchup between 4R1B and Willet Pot still. Both are newly opened tonight, and my wife tossed the coin, so one is sitting on a coaster the other is not.

Coaster smells like sweet and sour, a little fruity.
NC is hard to smell, smells a bit like white dog, not much nose at all.

More fruit coming out on the C, NC finally is smelling like bourbon and flowers.

C taste is nice, not much burn, sweet, a little berryish.
NC explodes in the mouth, coats like syrup. Sweet, no burn, no wood at all. young. White dog is faintly in the last finish of the sip.

Coaster is pulling into the lead with its balance of sweetness fruit and alcohol, but no wood here either. Not much vanilla in either one. Non coaster is really sipping nicely though, and the match is pretty even. This is gonna be a close one.

Coaster is pulling ahead again, now with no sips of water between each the NC is falling behind. I like its oily feel, but the white dog funk is making me want to pass on it.

And in the final moments of the match, coaster pulls ahead by a few hoops and has overtaken the NC team. It's slight fruit on the finish far surpasses the NC team's youth.

Now for the reveal - Coaster team is Four Roses Single Barrel, Warehouse BS, 38-1U. Non coaster team was Willet.

The 4 Roses passes into the next round to meet Pappy 15

Young Blacksmith
04-01-2012, 15:08
bump to see if any updates have happened.

StraightBoston
04-01-2012, 17:49
I jumped ahead to the second round: William Larue Weller vs. Knob Creek.

WLW had the edge in the first quarter (color) but KC competed well in the second quarter (nose) with great bourbon notes and the right amount of wood.

When the whistle blew for the second half (taste), WLW broke away with a fruitier and cinnamon-spicier attack; KC pulled up short with a drier, black pepper taste. By the fourth quarter (finish) KC fell further behind with a sour astringency compared to the WLW burn.

William Larue Weller advances to the Sweet 16 to face the winner of ORVW vs. Handy.

speaks19
04-07-2012, 13:36
I officiated the ORVW vs Handy & Blanton's vs Noah's Mill matchups last night. Both were done completely blind as they were poured outside of my view by my wife Amy.

Handy wins handily. I was not impressed by the ORVW; it just had nothing to it.

In the second matchup, Blanton's squeezes by. It took drinking almost the entire pours of each to determine a winner, but Blanton's smoothness eventually won me over.

In an interesting coincidence, Amy agreed with me on both matchups.

BroInBourbonMD
04-08-2012, 18:31
I officiated the ORVW vs Handy & Blanton's vs Noah's Mill matchups last night. Both were done completely blind as they were poured outside of my view by my wife Amy.

Handy wins handily. I was not impressed by the ORVW; it just had nothing to it.

In the second matchup, Blanton's squeezes by. It took drinking almost the entire pours of each to determine a winner, but Blanton's smoothness eventually won me over.

In an interesting coincidence, Amy agreed with me on both matchups.

Welcome Speaks! No better way to make your first post than by officiating a couple of bracket match ups.

Bourbon Boiler
04-09-2012, 18:32
I officiated the ORVW vs Handy & Blanton's vs Noah's Mill matchups last night. Both were done completely blind as they were poured outside of my view by my wife Amy.

Handy wins handily. I was not impressed by the ORVW; it just had nothing to it.

In the second matchup, Blanton's squeezes by. It took drinking almost the entire pours of each to determine a winner, but Blanton's smoothness eventually won me over.

In an interesting coincidence, Amy agreed with me on both matchups.

Dude, I didn't know you were posting here. Welcome aboard. Your life will never be the same.

speaks19
04-10-2012, 06:12
First post, as you can see by my tally. I don't plan on breaking a thousand any time soon...

Young Blacksmith
04-10-2012, 10:56
Bourbon Boiler, can you update the PDF or let us know which matches are left? Thanks!

Max Power
04-10-2012, 12:23
I really need to do the full 1 one 1 tourney with SOB with 32 bourbons. I don't think we could muster up a full 64 team field.

soonami
05-26-2012, 18:06
Update on this? The bracket is only in the first round and nothing else?

speaks19
07-08-2012, 12:10
We ran out of matchups that didn't require going to someone else's house.