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CorvallisCracker
03-26-2012, 12:57
When Brown-Forman submits an application for a Certificate Of Label Approval for Jack Daniel's, what CLASS/TYPE code do they use?

A - 101 - STRAIGHT BOURBON WHISKY
B - 140 - WHISKY
C - 141 - BOURBON WHISKY
D - 143 - CORN WHISKY
E - 144 - LIGHT WHISKY
F - 146 - WHISKY PROPRIETARY
G - 149 - OTHER WHISKY
H - All of the above















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The correct answer is H - All of the above (but not on the same application) :skep:


The most frequently used is 149 - OTHER WHISKY

STRAIGHT BOURBON WHISKY (https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=12046001000466)

BOURBON WHISKY (https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=11018001000381)

CORN WHISKY (https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=11048001000084)

Lazer
03-28-2012, 14:56
I'm not into mixed drinks.:slappin:

CorvallisCracker
03-28-2012, 16:41
I'm not into mixed drinks.:slappin:

How do you feel about muddy water?

Lazer
03-28-2012, 20:17
How do you feel about muddy water?

I don't get it?:rolleyes:

CorvallisCracker
03-28-2012, 21:49
I don't get it?:rolleyes:

The whole "Is Jack Daniels bourbon?" thing is a serious case of muddy water. The fact that Brown-Forman doesn't seem sure about it either just adds extra mud.

Brisko
03-29-2012, 09:07
The whole "Is Jack Daniels bourbon?" thing is a serious case of muddy water. The fact that Brown-Forman doesn't seem sure about it either just adds extra mud.

I'm not sure if it's B/F or the TTB. There have been quite a few inconsistencies in the way products are coded (bourbon, straight bourbon, bourbon BIB, etc.) for the same products, as well as outright mistakes.

My favorite is this single barrel Willett rye (https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=12031001000039) that's listed as CT 132-- blended rye :lol:

CorvallisCracker
03-29-2012, 13:20
I'm not sure if it's B/F or the TTB.

I suspect that it is BF.

COLAs are submitted two ways. When a hard-copy form is completed and snail-mailed by the applicant, a signature appears on it. If e-filed, there is only the signature of the approving TTB officer. Because the latter applications do not appear to have been scanned, there must be some method of applying the signature digitally.

All the BF forms are e-filed. If the TTB is putting in the code, then either the person at BF who fills out the form (one Mary Dillard, who uses the E-Mail address denise_dillard@b-f.com) is forgetting to put it on the application, or the TTB is changing it.

I don't think either is very likely.

Lazer
03-29-2012, 14:53
The whole "Is Jack Daniels bourbon?" thing is a serious case of muddy water. The fact that Brown-Forman doesn't seem sure about it either just adds extra mud.

Oh thanks, I get it. For a minute there I thought you were threatening to kick my ass or something. :grin:

CorvallisCracker
03-29-2012, 15:13
Oh thanks, I get it. For a minute there I thought you were threatening to kick my ass or something. :grin:

If "Lazer" is the correct spelling of your last name, then you have nothing to worry about.

cowdery
04-03-2012, 11:38
And, in the end, the mud you make is equal to the mud you take.

CorvallisCracker
04-03-2012, 12:20
And, in the end, the mud you make is equal to the mud you take.

Or the mud you sling. :lol:

Lazer
04-24-2012, 17:37
If "Lazer" is the correct spelling of your last name, then you have nothing to worry about.

Actually, yes. My first name is Lazer, not "laser", what kind of stupid name is that?

RickWrightson
12-17-2012, 19:09
I asked a friend, who is a retired TTB agent, and he said that the TTB puts in the class and type, so JD is not the culprit. Circa 2003, TTB stopped requiring, or letting, the applicant to make the choice, i.e., applicants entering the class and type on the on the application. The TTB makes the decision for the applicant.

squire
12-18-2012, 13:56
I expect Brown Forman is content to let the public perception of Jack alone.

cowdery
12-18-2012, 14:06
There can be negotiations but the TTB has the final say, even if it's dead wrong.