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TheJimmy
04-07-2012, 06:46
I just dumped a half bottle of Elijah Craig 12 yr down the drain.
I thought about giving it away, but I wouldn't give something that sour and bitter to a friend.

I've been lurking here for more than 6 mos and have read some great praise for the EC12. The bottle tasted like crap to me from the get go, but I thought I might be missing something, or air time might help it. Nope.
So after six months of bad pours, I finally just dumped it. There are too many other bottles of bourbon I do enjoy in the cabinet to waste anymore time with that bottle of EC 12.

Thanks to y'all for sharing your opinions and tasting notes on this great board. They have led me to find such whiskey gems that I really do enjoy such as OWA, Weller 12, ETLee, Four Roses SB, Rittenhouse, and most recently, a great bottle of EH Taylor Tornado release. I probably wouldn't found them so quickly without reading this site.

My Elijah Craig experience is a good reminder that taste is never a one-size-fits-all good or bad thing.

Thanks again,
Jimmy

bad_scientist
04-07-2012, 07:20
Wow man, the other ones you listed as liking would make me recommend EC12 to you without hesitation. Sorry you bought a crappy whiskey.

There was an issue a couple of years ago with EC12 bottlings being inconsistent, so hopefully that was the case in this instance.

TheJimmy
04-07-2012, 08:04
Yeah, I was surprised too. Although I listed OWA as a "gem", I never drink it unless I blend it with the Weller 12. I like some age on my bourbon.

I like to think I got a "bad" bottle of the EC 12, yet I know how rare a "bad bottle" must be so....who knows.

I'll certainly try the EC12 again, but won't pay for it until I had a free taste that I enjoy.

Young Blacksmith
04-07-2012, 08:05
That's what I thought too. Are you able to post the bottle codes off the bottom or the date code?

TheJimmy
04-07-2012, 08:23
Code stamped on the bottom of the bottle:
42 21 231 11 16:32

I guess that says bottled in August 2011?

unclebunk
04-07-2012, 08:34
I can't help but think you got a bad bottle too. My last bottle was superb, as is my current bottle. Of course, you can't rule out that EC12 simply isn't your cup of tea. Definitely check out a pour in a bar or at a friend's house before completely writing EC12 off. I've found it to be an excellent whiskey at an extremely attractive price point. Others will no doubt disagree but a 12 year old whiskey under $25 ain't bad.

George
04-07-2012, 08:59
EC12 is one of my everyday pours, and I've never had a bottle I didn't enjoy.

I did once have a bottle of EWSB that was awful. It was when I first starting drinking bourbon, and I thought maybe it was just me and/or my palate. I've tasted a lot of bourbon since then, and I can now say with almost certainty that it was indeed a bad bottle. It was that different and that terrible.

Ejmharris
04-07-2012, 09:22
Yeah, I was surprised too. Although I listed OWA as a "gem", I never drink it unless I blend it with Weller 12.

Although I very much enjoy the OWA/W12 vat, the OWA by itself is still one of my favorites. Add some water, maybe enough to drop the proof a couple points and it opens up nicely. Also ye longer it is open the better it gets. Don't write it off solo just yet.

unclebunk
04-07-2012, 09:27
EC12 is one of my everyday pours, and I've never had a bottle I didn't enjoy.

I did once have a bottle of EWSB that was awful. It was when I first starting drinking bourbon, and I thought maybe it was just me and/or my palate. I've tasted a lot of bourbon since then, and I can now say with almost certainty that it was indeed a bad bottle. It was that different and that terrible.

I once had a bottle of ORVW 10/107 that was truly horrendous and simply could not be consumed. Every person that tried it thought it tasted like day-old whiskey from an ashtray. Never had another bad one, so who knows why that bottle sucked so bad. Cork taint is out because there is no cork!

TheJimmy
04-07-2012, 09:33
I can't help but think you got a bad bottle too. My last bottle was superb, as is my current bottle. Of course, you can't rule out that EC12 simply isn't your cup of tea. Definitely check out a pour in a bar or at a friend's house before completely writing EC12 off. I've found it to be an excellent whiskey at an extremely attractive price point. Others will no doubt disagree but a 12 year old whiskey under $25 ain't bad.


EC12 is one of my everyday pours, and I've never had a bottle I didn't enjoy.

I did once have a bottle of EWSB that was awful. It was when I first starting drinking bourbon, and I thought maybe it was just me and/or my palate. I've tasted a lot of bourbon since then, and I can now say with almost certainty that it was indeed a bad bottle. It was that different and that terrible.

Thanks guys. I've doubted my pallet for the last six months on this bottle and kept going back to it to see if my pallet had 'matured' enough to enjoy it. Last night I had another go at it, and it just felt good to say "Enough! this bottle isn't for me."

I'll be sure to re-visit it in due time. In the mean time, there's plenty more to be sampled.

TheJimmy
04-07-2012, 09:43
Although I very much enjoy the OWA/W12 vat, the OWA by itself is still one of my favorites. Add some water, maybe enough to drop the proof a couple points and it opens up nicely. Also ye longer it is open the better it gets. Don't write it off solo just yet.

Suggestion noted. Thank you.
It's been some time since I've tried it solo.

I received some Party Source private barrel of OWA this week. I'm looking forward to tasting any difference in the profile of this single barrel version. I'll be sure to make it last some time so I can see how the flavor changes over time in the bottle. Maybe I'll crack a bottle of each OWA today and get them ready Easter.

TheJimmy
04-07-2012, 09:47
I once had a bottle of ORVW 10/107 that was truly horrendous and simply could not be consumed. Every person that tried it thought it tasted like day-old whiskey from an ashtray. Never had another bad one, so who knows why that bottle sucked so bad. Cork taint is out because there is no cork!

Somebody probably took your ORVW 10/107 and replaced it with day-old whiskey from an ashtray.
Sometimes the answers to the greatest mysteries are the simplest ones.

unclebunk
04-07-2012, 11:07
Somebody probably took your ORVW 10/107 and replaced it with day-old whiskey from an ashtray.
Sometimes the answers to the greatest mysteries are the simplest ones.

That would be my brother, no doubt. He once put minced garlic in my shampoo!:lol:

tigerlam92
04-08-2012, 13:22
Perhaps try a bottle of Elijah Craig 18 since you like some age. Years ago, I had a good bottle and enjoyed it. Again, I read not every bottle is consistent though.

Cheers
--Hugh

ILLfarmboy
04-08-2012, 18:08
Some years back I qwit buying EC 12 because I just wasn't enjoying it anymore...... or I kept getting off bottles.

A lot of folks here love EC 12 but I just don't get it. If it ain't your cup of tea, Hugh, you wouldn't be alone.

With a little bit of Weller 12 and a dash of WLW, so as to keep the proof about the same, OWA can be improved upon. the current NAS is good stuff though. I have a few bottles of the age stated stuff that was some of the last to be bottled and It isn't as good as stuff from just previous years. I think you can identify them with the number 08 on the bottom of the bottle. The color is notiably lighter that the current NAS and the older age stated. This little blending trick has made these bottles more enjoyable for me.

LongBeachScott
04-10-2012, 14:47
Some people just don't like the Heaven Hill profile. Is that the issue, or is it a bad bottle?

To my taste buds, EC12 is assertive and a bit spicy. It can have some burn on the end, but not too much. There are notes of dried fruits and you should notice charred wood (but not to the extent of EC18). It tends toward sweetness, but I haven't had a bottle that was overly sweet in my opinion.

A bad bottle, to me, isn't something you just don't like. It is where something has gone wrong and almost no one would like it. I don't think I have ever bought a bottle that was corked as happens with wine.

That said, others on here have reported EC12 is prone to wide variation from bottle to bottle and it seems to get reported often as a "bad bottle", so maybe the likelihood of getting a bad bottle of EC12 is higher. Who knows?

Scott

LostBottle
04-10-2012, 18:44
I once had a bottle of ORVW 10/107 that was truly horrendous and simply could not be consumed. Every person that tried it thought it tasted like day-old whiskey from an ashtray.

Someone replaced your ORVW with Laphhroaig!

unclebunk
04-10-2012, 19:23
Someone replaced your ORVW with Laphhroaig!

:lol::lol:If I could make my own Laphroaig by dumping whiskey in an ashtray, I would!

TheJimmy
04-11-2012, 16:17
Some people just don't like the Heaven Hill profile. Is that the issue, or is it a bad bottle?

To my taste buds, EC12 is assertive and a bit spicy. It can have some burn on the end, but not too much. There are notes of dried fruits and you should notice charred wood (but not to the extent of EC18). It tends toward sweetness, but I haven't had a bottle that was overly sweet in my opinion.

A bad bottle, to me, isn't something you just don't like. It is where something has gone wrong and almost no one would like it. I don't think I have ever bought a bottle that was corked as happens with wine.

That said, others on here have reported EC12 is prone to wide variation from bottle to bottle and it seems to get reported often as a "bad bottle", so maybe the likelihood of getting a bad bottle of EC12 is higher. Who knows?

Scott

I'm going to guess there's a specific component of the EC flavor profile that isn't appealing to some people, and likely there are bottles that have a stronger aspect of that flavor.To some people it tastes like crap, and others find it delicious.

I've had some raw milk cheeses that literally taste like ass (or worse :lol:) to some folks, and others eat them like there's no tomorrow.
Different strokes.

WhiskyToWhiskey
04-12-2012, 06:09
The last 2 bottles I had were consistant. I taste notes of sweet black tea whenever I have this pour. I never had any bitter notes, but someone on my other whiskey forum reported the same thing you did. I would just send it back, my liquor store accepts open returns.

On a similar note...I heard someone say they had a bottle of Dickel 12 that was sour and bitter. And that is one whiskey that's far from bitter.

Brisko
04-12-2012, 06:52
It's no secret that EC12 can be variable. It was one of the first bourbons I bought a few years ago when I started getting back into bourbon, and the first bottle was great, second okay, third was super woody and dry.

I just bought another bottle (on sale) a couple weeks ago and it's okay but not great. There isn't enough sweetness to balance out the wood. I'm still experimenting with vatting it but the problem I run into is that the wood gets even more assertive if I vat it with a younger whiskey, even in small quantities.

Bottom line, you're paying around $20 for a 12 year old bourbon. You get what you pay for, and sometimes you get more.

ebo
04-15-2012, 08:53
I'm on record as being a big fan of EC12. I can attest to the fact that it is a variable bourbon from bottle to bottle. I've had great bottles that I wish would never go dry, and bottles that made me wonder if it was the same bourbon. I can say that I have never had a bottle that I couldn't or wouldn't drink.

Gillman
04-15-2012, 09:12
I wonder if vatting the 12's themselves might produce an optimum mingling. Say you bought 4 of them, 1 might be great on its own, the other three might be suitable for mingling. Given the almost limitless perms and combs, I would think the investment would pay off.

Gary

WhiskyToWhiskey
04-15-2012, 09:35
I wonder if vatting the 12's themselves might produce an optimum mingling. Say you bought 4 of them, 1 might be great on its own, the other three might be suitable for mingling. Given the almost limitless perms and combs, I would think the investment would pay off.

Gary

I guess you would need to be sure your getting 4 different batches. Usually 1 release comes per year to lcbo around here and is probably from 1 batch. I thought this small batch bourbon would use between 25-30barrels in an effort to create a more consistant flavour profile as opposed to a single barrel. Maybe adding a bitter woody batch to the dickel#12 would sweeten it up....creating a dickel woody.

bad_scientist
04-15-2012, 09:45
Maybe adding a bitter woody batch to the dickel#12 would sweeten it up....creating a dickel woody.

It's cheaper than Viagra!

Gillman
04-15-2012, 11:03
It's probably better to do it in the States where you can buy from different stores and likely get bottles batched at different times. Even 3 bottles would be worth trying it with I think.

Gary

TheJimmy
04-28-2012, 03:18
The results of marrying the Weller 12 with the single barrel OWA 2:1 is simply fantastic for me. Most enjoyable bourbon I've ever tasted so far, personally. The two together are much better than the parts alone.

TheJimmy
04-28-2012, 03:37
I wonder if vatting the 12's themselves might produce an optimum mingling. Say you bought 4 of them, 1 might be great on its own, the other three might be suitable for mingling. Given the almost limitless perms and combs, I would think the investment would pay off.

Gary

This sounds like something they should have done right in the first place.

Yet, I like your method of correcting inconsistencies and flavor imbalances on you own. I'd imagine every "small batch" you create will have it's own unique flavor profile and characteristics. Not every bottle will complement another in the same way.

fishnbowljoe
04-28-2012, 07:58
I'm going to guess there's a specific component of the EC flavor profile that isn't appealing to some people, and likely there are bottles that have a stronger aspect of that flavor.To some people it tastes like crap, and others find it delicious.


For me it's the citrus/eucalyptus, alcohol flavor that most HH offerings are known for. The EC 12 and 18 just don't appeal to me, mostly because of that. FWIW, those flavors were even more prevalent in a bottle of Henry McKenna SB I had.

Young Blacksmith
04-28-2012, 08:23
So I picked up a bottle of EC12 bottled in 2001, pre-fire distillate.

It's almost undrinkable. Eucalyptus/mint in such a strong dose, but then it finishes up with that vanilla caramel goodness. It's really weird. Probably the most unbalanced whiskey I've ever tasted. If this had been my first bottle I certainly would not visit it again. The Eucalyptus is so strong I can't even mix with it because it overpowers just about everything. Yet I keep pouring it like some sadistic madman, I'm about halfway through this bottle.....

JPBoston
05-09-2012, 19:59
New guy here ---

I just bought my first bottle of EC12 myself, last night. Unfortunately, I'm in the same boat as the OP.

I get a strong woody taste, and a strong hint of chocolate (which is pretty much a first for me in my bourbon tasting -- very nice for the second it lasts)... but then it finishes with an extremely dry, very astringent 'yech' taste.

I can accept flavor profile differences in small batches... but when quality itself is compromised, I can't keep coming back to it in hopes of hitting the lottery.

Josh
05-09-2012, 20:04
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't a quality product. It just means you don't like how it tastes.

JPBoston
05-09-2012, 20:20
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't a quality product. It just means you don't like how it tastes.

Judging from the near-universal praise of this whiskey --- and also the amount of discussion regarding fluctuating quality, and the amount of people reporting to be former fans who have recently received very bad bottles... I'm going to assume I'm not crazy and I got a bad bottle.

The only question mark is it's my first attempt at EC12, so of course, there is a possibility that this is just 'how it tastes'... but I have a feeling it is not.

Brisko
05-10-2012, 07:23
New guy here ---
but then it finishes with an extremely dry, very astringent 'yech' taste.



Come back to it after it's been open for a couple of weeks. I've had similar experiences with a variety of bourbons and this effect seems to wear off with breathing.

JPBoston
05-10-2012, 11:31
Come back to it after it's been open for a couple of weeks. I've had similar experiences with a variety of bourbons and this effect seems to wear off with breathing.

Sounds like a plan --- will do.

WhiskyToWhiskey
05-12-2012, 16:01
EC 12 is not too much money so all is not lost. This batch thats woody and bitter might make a good mint julep. It wouldnt be overly sweet and the ice would knock the unpleasant tastes out too I would think.

sailor22
05-12-2012, 16:16
A Manhattan might be an option. The Vermouth should mitigate the dry finish and the drink wouldn't be too sweet.

BourbonJoe
05-12-2012, 16:16
I just dumped a half bottle of Elijah Craig 12 yr down the drain.
Jimmy
Been there, done that. I don't buy it anymore. I won't take the chance.
Joe :usflag:

Stu
05-12-2012, 22:33
They say different strokes for different folks, I'd rather have an EC 12 than a Weller and I'd rather have an EC 18 than a Pappy 15, but then, I'm an Islay lover.

ILLfarmboy
05-13-2012, 09:04
They say different strokes for different folks, I'd rather have an EC 12 than a Weller and I'd rather have an EC 18 than a Pappy 15, but then, I'm an Islay lover.

I think Scotch folks generally gravitate to the drier profile.

I like EW SB well enough and I like 4R SB once in a while. Perhaps becoming a fan of the Wellers shifted my preferences so that EC 12 was no longer as tasty to me. Add in the occasional fluctuations that bottling is known for, and that's probably the answer as to why I gave up on it.

clingman71
05-13-2012, 09:18
They say different strokes for different folks, I'd rather have an EC 12 than a Weller and I'd rather have an EC 18 than a Pappy 15, but then, I'm an Islay lover.

I'd never really thought about it until reading your post, but I'm a fan of peaty Islay single Malts, but with bourbon I have a bit of a sweet tooth, preferring richness above spice and dryness. And with beers, I love big roasty RISs and hopbombs. There are few maltier sweeter beers that I'll drink at all. I also prefer big dry reds when drinking wine. Bourbon is sort of on an island flavorwise compared to my preferences with other drinks.

BourbonJoe
05-15-2012, 05:50
but then, I'm an Islay lover.

Ain't that the stuff they use to hold down the dust on them Arkansas back roads? :rolleyes:
Joe:usflag:

unclebunk
05-15-2012, 06:38
I'd never really thought about it until reading your post, but I'm a fan of peaty Islay single Malts, but with bourbon I have a bit of a sweet tooth, preferring richness above spice and dryness. And with beers, I love big roasty RISs and hopbombs. There are few maltier sweeter beers that I'll drink at all. I also prefer big dry reds when drinking wine. Bourbon is sort of on an island flavorwise compared to my preferences with other drinks.

I have a similar taste profile when it comes to single malts, bourbon and beer, though I do love the spiciness of ryes, the rich peppery quality of many red wines (nothing dry for me, thank you) and the sweet maltiness of French farmhouse ales and many Scottish ales. Overall, the bigger the better, I always say!:grin:

McKinney
05-15-2012, 12:38
I agree with WhiskytoWhiskey that other uses can be found for whiskey one doesn't care for straight, especially at this price point. I don't like EC12 neat or on the rocks, but I've found I like it best when making mint juleps. At my Derby Day party I blow through at least one bottle mixing up juleps and then go through another bottle or so through the year mixing more juleps but don't touch it otherwise.

JPBoston
06-11-2012, 11:46
Come back to it after it's been open for a couple of weeks. I've had similar experiences with a variety of bourbons and this effect seems to wear off with breathing.

Little update... my bottle of EC12 did indeed open up nicely after about 2 weeks. It lost a bit of the subtle chocolate flavor, but the reduction of the astringent finish made it much, much better.

Flyfish
06-12-2012, 08:10
In addition to giving the EC 12 a chance to open up over time, I would encourage you to give yourself a chance to open up over time. Years ago, for example, I was not at all impressed by Bookers. Since then, I don't think Bookers has evolved much but I certainly have. When approaching an unfamiliar bourbon, I am inclined to withhold a negative judgment until I have sampled at least a half bottle--neat in a Glencairn, with a drop or two of water, and on the rocks. Generally speaking, I am more likely to blame my own deficiencies than to find them in the bourbon. When I was 15, I thought my father was an ignorant jackass. When I was 25, I was surprised by how much smarter he had become.

smokinjoe
06-12-2012, 12:43
In addition to giving the EC 12 a chance to open up over time, I would encourage you to give yourself a chance to open up over time. Years ago, for example, I was not at all impressed by Bookers. Since then, I don't think Bookers has evolved much but I certainly have. When approaching an unfamiliar bourbon, I am inclined to withhold a negative judgment until I have sampled at least a half bottle--neat in a Glencairn, with a drop or two of water, and on the rocks. Generally speaking, I am more likely to blame my own deficiencies than to find them in the bourbon. When I was 15, I thought my father was an ignorant jackass. When I was 25, I was surprised by how much smarter he had become.

Such a great post! You articulate my thoughts exactly.We change, and are much more deficient than the whiskey.
So, my daughter is 13...this means there's hope for me over the next 10 years? I can change for the better??!!? :D

:toast:

unclebunk
06-12-2012, 17:10
In addition to giving the EC 12 a chance to open up over time, I would encourage you to give yourself a chance to open up over time. Years ago, for example, I was not at all impressed by Bookers. Since then, I don't think Bookers has evolved much but I certainly have. When approaching an unfamiliar bourbon, I am inclined to withhold a negative judgment until I have sampled at least a half bottle--neat in a Glencairn, with a drop or two of water, and on the rocks. Generally speaking, I am more likely to blame my own deficiencies than to find them in the bourbon. When I was 15, I thought my father was an ignorant jackass. When I was 25, I was surprised by how much smarter he had become.

Yes, indeed. A great post and all right on the head. I'm always slightly bothered when certain friends drop by to sample something special that I've brought out just for the occasion, only to negatively react after one small pour. So much can be gained, as you said, by reserving final judgement until numerous pours have been had over a period of time.

Photodudems
09-13-2012, 11:36
Code stamped on the bottom of the bottle:
42 21 231 11 16:32

I guess that says bottled in August 2011?

Anyone care to explain how to read those?

HighInTheMtns
09-13-2012, 11:38
Fairly sure that those codes are from the bottle manufacturer. Compare to a Blanton's which will have a similar code on the bottom that will not match the handwritten bottling date nor the laser inked bottling date (but those will match each other)

FWIW that code refers to the 231st day of 2011. The first two numbers are unrelated to the date. But that's just the date of bottle manufacture anyway.

MauiSon
09-13-2012, 11:43
Easy, the bottle was filled on day 231 of 2011 @ 4:32 in the afternoon. The 42 21 part is a portion of the bottle code and is also found molded into the base.

And let me make a guess, it has the old style rounded label. Two days later they began using the new labels (at least, I have bottles from 233 11 with old labels in the morning and new labels in the evening).

HighInTheMtns
09-13-2012, 15:39
The new label doesn't seem to have shown up on shelves until April 2012. In fact, the new label hadn't been approved until April 2012: https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=12067001000462

The date printed on the bottom of these bottles simply is not the bottling date. Apart from Blanton's and EC12 I have seen identical codes on Ezra Brooks and George Dickel, among others. The common thread is that each container with a code like this printed on it was made by Anchor Glass. There's no way to tell when your EC12 was bottled, the date in the code only provides a lower limit on the possible dates.

Can't figure out what the "42 21" part means. It's not a reference to bottle shape or to the distiller it's being made for: GD#12's code also starts with "42 21", EB's starts with "42 23."

MauiSon
09-13-2012, 22:16
The COLA was approved on September 9, 2011, your link is for a barrel proof edition. I believe the new label was used prior to the label being 'approved'. The date is the bottling date and time. I would guess the 42 21 refers to the manufacturing plant or the type of glass used.

HighInTheMtns
09-13-2012, 22:23
I'd bet you're right on the 42 21. But the date in that code is from the bottle manufacturer, not the bottler. Again, check Blanton's which has both the Anchor Glass code and the BT laser printed code, and the handwritten date. The only one that won't match is the Anchor Glass code. And check other HH bottles which were not made by Anchor Glass... No code.

I was really hopeful that the dates on EC12 were bottled on dates. But the evidence says otherwise. There are tons of brands, from tons of distillers/NDPs with those codes. The only thing in common is they all also have that little Anchor Glass logo in the bottom.

MauiSon
09-13-2012, 22:35
I've changed my mind - you're right. I believe the printed code on EC12 is likely from the manufacturer, since it includes the molded code, but Blanton's also has a bottling line code printed on it (the J code) indicating the bottling line pass-through (in addition to the printed manufacturer code).

With this interpretation, there would be no need to conjecture that EC12 was bottled with the new label before it was approved. Thanks for clearing that up for me!

{I'm agreeing with you on the 42 21... code (on Blanton's and EC12). So what do you think the other code on Blanton's represents - maybe shipping date/time?}

HighInTheMtns
09-13-2012, 22:42
The barrels are dumped and then immediately bottled. This is a single barrel bourbon. You can watch the Blanton's bottling hall on a webcam and see the process. Or see it in person on the tour.

I'm sorry to keep harping on this, but that code is not the bottling date. If it were it wouldn't be identical across distillers. You have no basis for believing it to be the bottling date besides wanting it to be so. The evidence says it isn't.

And look closely at your Blanton's. It has two codes. One identical in format to EC, one in the BT format. And the EC12 I have open now, whose code says 232 11, is delicious. Hope yours are too!

HighInTheMtns
09-14-2012, 07:30
The BT code has been discussed at length here: http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?16711-PVW15-Dot-Matrix-Numbers. On the bottle of Blanton's I have right now, the date on that code matches the handwritten date. I'm assuming the other date is printed by Anchor Glass at time of manufacture for quality control purposes to make it easy to identify bottles that are part of a bad batch, some use like that.

Thing is - those dates can still have meaning relative to when it was bottled, at least to tell which bottle is newer than another, but only if we can assume a first-in, first-out way of managing the new bottle inventory in the bottling hall. And that might be too big an assumption.

OK, enough derailing of this thread, huh? :) Regarding the OP - it would take a pretty bad bottle to get me to dump it down the drain. Open time clears up a lot of things, and there are always other people with other palates who might like it.

Photodudems
09-14-2012, 11:46
...the EC12 I have open now, whose code says 232 11, is delicious. Hope yours are too!

I have a fresh bottle marked 234 11, and it is quite good.

Someone mentioned different labels? What would this label look like? I've only seen one in the last year or so.

14175

HighInTheMtns
09-14-2012, 11:54
That's the newer label. The other one was very similar but oval shaped. Same bottle for both labels.

Vovan
09-16-2012, 12:13
Just got a fresh label
The numbers on the bottle are 13 77 top row and 42 12 on the bottom.
The dot matrix says 42 12 005 12 03:08
Does that mean is was bottled on Jan 5th, 2012 at 3:08 am?

I haven't tried it yet but opened the cork and it smells very nice.

HighInTheMtns
09-16-2012, 12:53
Just got a fresh label
The numbers on the bottle are 13 77 top row and 42 12 on the bottom.
The dot matrix says 42 12 005 12 03:08
Does that mean is was bottled on Jan 5th, 2012 at 3:08 am?

I haven't tried it yet but opened the cork and it smells very nice.
Again, that code is not the bottling date. It was bottled sometime after that date.

Vovan
09-16-2012, 13:14
Thanks, HighInTheMtns