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Josh
04-14-2012, 10:05
Saw this on the shelf at one of my usual haunts a couple weeks ago. Not much of a change, but definately a change. The new bottle is on the left.

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Gillman
04-14-2012, 12:43
Good catch Josh. I'd presume no change to the product given it still says 12 years old.

Gary

WhiskyToWhiskey
04-14-2012, 19:23
I looked at the pic and got depressed...here we pay the same amount for the 12 as you can get the 18 for :(

ebo
04-15-2012, 06:12
I looked at the pic and got depressed...here we pay the same amount for the 12 as you can get the 18 for :(

At least you GET the 18. Ohio sucks.:smiley_acbt:

Jwilly019
04-15-2012, 06:36
The 18 is available in Ohio. I saw it in a couple stores earlier this week.

mrviognier
04-15-2012, 07:03
EC 18 will soon be a rare site everywhere...at least for a while.

ebo
04-15-2012, 08:35
The 18 is available in Ohio. I saw it in a couple stores earlier this week.
I live in the Massillon/Canton area. I have NEVER seen the 18 available in any stores.

I'm not willing to drive any great distance just to buy a bottle of bourbon. :grin:

If I can't get it within a 15 mile radius.... I don't need it! :lol:

WhiskyToWhiskey
04-15-2012, 09:40
At least you GET the 18. Ohio sucks.:smiley_acbt:

I never said I could purchase the 18 here in ontario. The EWSB just got released awhile ago...with a $55 price tag.

Josh
04-15-2012, 10:20
EC 18 will soon be a rare site everywhere...at least for a while.

OK, I'll bite. Why is that?

Bmac
04-15-2012, 11:29
EC 18 will soon be a rare site everywhere...at least for a while.

Curious bourbon drinkers want to know. :bigeyes:

mrviognier
04-15-2012, 11:49
I was told by the HH folks that they're short on 18+yr barrels. Of course, there's been a lot of misinformation going around these days. :grin:

cigarnv
04-15-2012, 14:47
I was told by the HH folks that they're short on 18+yr barrels. Of course, there's been a lot of misinformation going around these days. :grin:

Given it has been removed from the private barrel program I suspect your information is correct...

Jwilly019
04-15-2012, 14:59
I live in the Massillon/Canton area. I have NEVER seen the 18 available in any stores.

I'm not willing to drive any great distance just to buy a bottle of bourbon. :grin:

If I can't get it within a 15 mile radius.... I don't need it! :lol:

Fair enough, I didn't know certain areas of the state got certain bottles and others didn't.

Anyway, if you're ever in Columbus, we've got it here.

jburlowski
04-15-2012, 15:37
On the plus side, they are using the new labels for private barrels ( of EC12) that are not chill-filtered.

Bmac
04-15-2012, 18:20
I was told by the HH folks that they're short on 18+yr barrels. Of course, there's been a lot of misinformation going around these days. :grin:

Not to start another conspiracy thread but doesnt HH have the most barrels aging than any distillery? They probably have some of the oldest as well. Who can boast that they still have a 50yr bourbon cask still aging? They probably have the goods...maybe they want to save some of the 18yr barrels for a future PHC release.

Rughi
04-15-2012, 18:29
On the plus side, they are using the new labels for private barrels ( of EC12) that are not chill-filtered.

That's a choice one has with the McKenna Bond as well. I've teamed with Ledgers Liquors on 4 (soon to be 5) McKennas, and not chill-filtering was one of the major considerations. HH's being open to a wide range of profiles in the McKenna bottling was the other.

Roger

mrviognier
04-15-2012, 18:29
Doubtful that that's the reason.

ThomasH
04-15-2012, 19:13
Ebo, I have seen bottles of EC18 at Fishers on Fulton in the past. Have them order it in. I also sent you a PM!

Thomas

BradleyC
04-15-2012, 21:23
Saw this on the shelf at one of my usual haunts a couple weeks ago. Not much of a change, but definately a change. The new bottle is on the left.

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Josh,

Did you happen to notice the proof on the newer bottle? It looks like it might be 132 proof. Too bad your pic cut off the price marker.

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=12067001000462

c2walker
04-15-2012, 22:14
Josh,

Did you happen to notice the proof on the newer bottle? It looks like it might be 132 proof. Too bad your pic cut off the price marker.

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=12067001000462

Given the handwritten-like font, I think that the new label allows for flexibility in proof (maybe this implies that it's now possible for retailers to bottle there EC12 barrel picks at barrel strength?), but I highly doubt that it means that we'll be seeing a national release of 132 proof EC12.

mrviognier
04-16-2012, 04:08
When the COLA is approved, the TTB allows you to use the same permit for your label...provided the only thing that changes is the alcoholic content. In other words, the 132 is an arbitrary number, and probably doesn't reflect what the final product will be.

CorvallisCracker
04-16-2012, 09:41
When the COLA is approved, the TTB allows you to use the same permit for your label...provided the only thing that changes is the alcoholic content. In other words, the 132 is an arbitrary number, and probably doesn't reflect what the final product will be.

Can you cite where that is stated? I would like to pass that along to an Oregon distiller.

Josh
04-16-2012, 09:47
Josh,

Did you happen to notice the proof on the newer bottle? It looks like it might be 132 proof. Too bad your pic cut off the price marker.

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=12067001000462

I was at that store today and believe it was 92 proof. It's also worth noting that Michigan retailers don't really do private bottlings. The closest I saw was a store that had Knob Creek in wooden boxes with the store's name on it a few years ago. I would guess that the state control system makes it impossible to do a retailer bottling.

StraightNoChaser
04-16-2012, 15:06
The HH fire was almost 18 years ago so makes sense they might soon be short of 18yr+ barrels

dohidied
04-16-2012, 15:12
That's a choice one has with the McKenna Bond as well. I've teamed with Ledgers Liquors on 4 (soon to be 5) McKennas, and not chill-filtering was one of the major considerations. HH's being open to a wide range of profiles in the McKenna bottling was the other.

Roger

Any idea if they're still stocking #4? I have been looking to finally try McKenna BIB and I'd love for it to be non-chill-filtered.

cowdery
04-17-2012, 11:31
Nothing succeeds like success. That's what's going on here. It has nothing to do with the 1996 fire or PHC or anything else. It has to do with a strong bourbon market and demand outstripping supply. EC 18 is the oldest regularly-issued bourbon in HH's line, at least in the U.S., so they plan that inventory pretty carefully but never want to overshoot because aging whiskey for 18 years is very expensive and if they don't sell it all, there isn't a lot they can do with the leftovers.

As with the other 'shortages,' they have so much product coming of age each year and maybe that means some places will run out before the next batch is ready. I have no doubt that the number of cases released goes up every year, but demand has been so strong it hasn't been enough.

Overall, the present popularity of bourbon whiskey is good for enthusiasts, but it means we have to share.

peterlake
04-17-2012, 14:46
It's also worth noting that Michigan retailers don't really do private bottlings. The closest I saw was a store that had Knob Creek in wooden boxes with the store's name on it a few years ago. I would guess that the state control system makes it impossible to do a retailer bottling.

I recently talked to two stores in Michigan who are getting single barrels of EC12. One of them even had a tasting event so that the patrons could help choose the barrel, unfortunately I had to work that night.

callmeox
04-17-2012, 14:59
I recently talked to two stores in Michigan who are getting single barrels of EC12. One of them even had a tasting event so that the patrons could help choose the barrel, unfortunately I had to work that night.

My understanding of the control system in MI is that the state sets the minimum price and also what can be sold, but retailers own the product on the shelf in their stores. In that scenario I see room for private barrel selections.

The rules in Ohio where all of the booze on the store shelves belongs to the state and is sold on consignment does not lend itself to barrel selections at retail beyond the Knob Creek embossed box style.

Rughi
04-17-2012, 15:05
Any idea if they're still stocking #4? I have been looking to finally try McKenna BIB and I'd love for it to be non-chill-filtered.

The new barrel (Ledgers barrel 11) should be in within a couple of weeks.

This is not the standard profile for McKenna, it is specifically chosen from the top floor of a rickhouse at the Fairfield-Schenley site on Bloomfield Road. We find that in addition to the position in the rick making a difference in the juice, each of Heaven Hill's four warehouse sites has certain characteristics.

Roger

Josh
04-17-2012, 15:33
I recently talked to two stores in Michigan who are getting single barrels of EC12. One of them even had a tasting event so that the patrons could help choose the barrel, unfortunately I had to work that night.

Sounds promising! Was one of them A & L?

ethangsmith
04-17-2012, 15:49
I'm friends with HH's Heritage Center of Facebook and they posted a photo today proclaiming the last of the EC18 has been bottled as is on the shelf at the Heritage Center. The exact caption:
"This is all the Elijah Craig 18 year old we have left, when these bottles are gone, that's it!"



So are the actually going to kill the brand or is this just misinformation AGAIN from a distiller?

CorvallisCracker
04-17-2012, 16:02
Yeah, went to the site, and that's what they seem to be saying. They also say it will be back in production in 4-5 years.

Also confirmed that there will be a barrel strength version of EC12.

Link to the page:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Heaven-Hill-Distilleries-Bourbon-Heritage-Center/163869442000

Jwilly019
04-17-2012, 19:52
Sounds promising! Was one of them A & L?

I remember from a previous thread that one was indeed A&L.

c2walker
04-17-2012, 20:38
Yeah, went to the site, and that's what they seem to be saying. They also say it will be back in production in 4-5 years.

Also confirmed that there will be a barrel strength version of EC12.

Link to the page:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Heaven-Hill-Distilleries-Bourbon-Heritage-Center/163869442000

FWIW Heaven Hill (in the thread linked to above) states that the barrel strength EC12 will be bottled for the distillery gift shop and they're aiming to have it ready for the Derby. Unfortunately the bottles sold in the HH gift shop are extremely overpriced.

StraightNoChaser
04-17-2012, 22:10
The HH fire was almost 18 years ago so makes sense they might soon be short of 18yr+ barrels
I was kind of wrong about this, 18 years from the fire would be in 2014. But that still ties in with a 4-5 year gap. Have they bottled most of their stock that's older than 18 years in special releases like EW23?

BarrelChar
04-17-2012, 23:49
I often see EC 18's from various months in 1989, 1990, 1991 & 1992. Is there a thread where people have recommended particular batches from those years? Given the variance in bottles, some being musty and others vibrant, I'd love to have that link.

Currently enjoying my latest EC 12 (old style bottle) with the numbers "35 77 42 11" going from top-to-bottom, left-to-right on the bottom of the bottle. It's a good mix of heavy vanilla, a dash of dried fruit & nutmeg, and a surprisingly woody finish, like antique furniture. It's slightly bitter, so it loses a few points, but it's quite unique and a solid value.

mrviognier
04-18-2012, 07:35
Can you cite where that is stated? I would like to pass that along to an Oregon distiller.

I am sure that your distiller buddy has a compliance agent that works for him. I'd say have him reach out to the agent.

BTW, a local store here in MN recently debuted their EC18 private bottling. While the label is the regular 18yr (with the shop's logo), the barrel age statement on the back results in a 20+ year bottling.

dohidied
04-18-2012, 07:38
The new barrel (Ledgers barrel 11) should be in within a couple of weeks.

This is not the standard profile for McKenna, it is specifically chosen from the top floor of a rickhouse at the Fairfield-Schenley site on Bloomfield Road. We find that in addition to the position in the rick making a difference in the juice, each of Heaven Hill's four warehouse sites has certain characteristics.

Roger

Very cool. I'll keep my eyes peeled.

Flyfish
04-18-2012, 13:37
FWIW Heaven Hill (in the thread linked to above) states that the barrel strength EC12 will be bottled for the distillery gift shop and they're aiming to have it ready for the Derby. Unfortunately the bottles sold in the HH gift shop are extremely overpriced.
The boys at HH tell us that the bourbon in their gift shop is deliberately priced so as not to compete with the retailers who handle their product. I can respect that.
We visited a winery last year where their $20 wine was availale in the supermarket for $13.99. My wife brought this to the attention of the girl handing the tasting. "Yes," said the girl, "but they don't give you free samples at the Red Lion." My wife was not impressed. We prefer the attitude at HH. Sometimes we even buy our EW SB there even though it might be a couple dollars cheaper at Liquor Barn. You catch more flies with honey. If you are interested in flies.

kyrocklover
04-18-2012, 13:57
I believe the distilleries are contractually obligated to sell at the gift shop at a higher $ amount. I have been told that on two different occasions at two different distilleries. TIFWIW.

mrviognier
04-18-2012, 14:33
I believe the distilleries are contractually obligated to sell at the gift shop at a higher $ amount. I have been told that on two different occasions at two different distilleries. TIFWIW.

If you believe that, I've got a bridge in New York I'd like to sell you.

Folks who are telling you that are deflecting. The truth is that most tasting rooms (be they distilleries, wineries or breweries) are ALWAYS going to have pricing that reflects the high end of the SRP. And the reason is - in this age of internet sales, etc. - that they don't want any bad blood with retailers across the nation.

Young Blacksmith
04-18-2012, 15:02
I think all the EC12's have the same 77 and 42 numbers, must be a bottle manufacturing code or something. The 11 is the approximate year.

BarrelChar, check this thread out. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16389&highlight=EC18

cas
04-18-2012, 16:39
Sounds promising! Was one of them A & L?

I attended that tasting a few weeks ago and mentioned in another thread. There were three choices - the highest was ~132 proof, if I remember correctly. But they explained that the bottling would be at the regular proof, otherwise it would have to go through the MI system as a distinct bottling.
Craig

Ejmharris
04-18-2012, 16:43
If you believe that, I've got a bridge in New York I'd like to sell you.

Folks who are telling you that are deflecting. The truth is that most tasting rooms (be they distilleries, wineries or breweries) are ALWAYS going to have pricing that reflects the high end of the SRP. And the reason is - in this age of internet sales, etc. - that they don't want any bad blood with retailers across the nation.

I will definitely trust you on this topic. I always assumed it was because most gifts shop customers were not enthusiast and in the know about what prices typically are. They could take advantage of the momentum and excitement about being at the distillery.

BFerguson
04-18-2012, 17:05
I attended that tasting a few weeks ago and mentioned in another thread. There were three choices - the highest was ~132 proof, if I remember correctly. But they explained that the bottling would be at the regular proof, otherwise it would have to go through the MI system as a distinct bottling.
Craig

Wow, that seems downright low to the barrels I rated for a recent pick, the low there was 144 and the high end was 154.

Hopefully, they should be coming in soon.

B

cas
04-19-2012, 15:03
Wow, that seems downright low to the barrels I rated for a recent pick, the low there was 144 and the high end was 154.

Hopefully, they should be coming in soon.

B

Well, the other two were in the teens - 116 or 118 or something similar, so you had something really different from what we were served.
Craig

Vovan
09-15-2012, 11:51
Fair enough, I didn't know certain areas of the state got certain bottles and others didn't.

Anyway, if you're ever in Columbus, we've got it here.

I live in C-bus as well. Can you tell me where I can find EC 18? I've been looking everywhere :-(

Thanks!