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callmeox
05-21-2012, 11:30
According to this guy...they don't have to be.

Who wants to buy his book?

http://www.iconicspirits.net/newsletter854308.htm

White Dog
05-21-2012, 11:50
He's confusing the 12 and 18. Sound research.

IowaJeff
05-21-2012, 11:54
Ha! Other singles, some truer than others, that might also confuse this guy:

-Single hamburgers. Take a close look at the nutritional facts. Your single with cheese may contain up to 200 different patties.

-Music singles - next time you buy a song on itunes listen closely, it could actually be the entire album. And if played in reverse may say 'Paul is Dead."

-'Singles' dating websites - Half these people are married!

-Beyonce's 'All the Single Ladies': 'All' implies more than one. 'Single' implies one (but as I have noted, often means otherwise). Very difficult to interpret, but proves my theorum that 'single' really means multiple.

-The show 'My Two Dads' - They are both single dads. If you can have 2 single dads multiple barrels can in fact be a single barrel. You've been logic'd.

Brisko
05-21-2012, 12:11
For some reason his website background reminds me of this one (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/). :skep:

But yeah, sounds like he got "small batch" and "single barrel" confused. Doesn't really inspire confidence.

Lazer
05-21-2012, 14:32
If I was HH or Kirin, I would sue him. :smiley_acbt:
What's with his price quotes for FRSB $50??? not exactly. :skep:

Restaurant man
05-21-2012, 16:34
I don't mind all the mistakes in this short review, but i can't abide his effeminate writing style :hot:

p_elliott
05-22-2012, 09:06
Just proof that any idiot can write a book I bought another whiskey book that says that KC is from the same mashbill as Basil Hayden.

wadewood
05-22-2012, 09:35
just saw that 4Roses tweeted about this guy's post. I emailed them and told them to check their facts.

ILLfarmboy
05-22-2012, 13:36
First shot out of the box, he called bourbon barrels "casks". That's your first clue.

callmeox
05-22-2012, 14:04
just saw that 4Roses tweeted about this guy's post. I emailed them and told them to check their facts.

Their social media guy is just that....not one of the industry folks. He needs some bourbon learnin'.

I let them know yesterday with no response either.

wadewood
05-22-2012, 14:46
Their social media guy is just that....not one of the industry folks. He needs some bourbon learnin'.

I let them know yesterday with no response either.

I did get a response. 4R said they contacted author who said he confused ec 12 & ec 18 sb.

StraightNoChaser
05-22-2012, 20:24
I did get a response. 4R said they contacted author who said he confused ec 12 & ec 18 sb.
This is why I don't have a whiskey blog. I am confident in my whiskey knowledge but I also make mistakes.

God forbid my blog be reposted here and ridiculed for a moment of naivety :rolleyes::skep::lol:

LikeItWasSodaPop
05-22-2012, 22:56
Oh come on, this isn't a moment of naiveté, this is a bloviating egotistical &*%$tard who doesn't know what he's talking about condemning an entire category of whiskey while getting his facts so entirely wrong he utterly disqualifies anything else he has to say. It's way worse than just confusing EC12 and EC18. He literally doesn't know what he's talking about and is aggressively condemning an entire category of American whiskey as deceptively labeled. That is irresponsible at best.

Serious bloggers wouldn't publish this sort of drivel. Even those that write while totally ^&*$faced.

LikeItWasSodaPop
05-22-2012, 23:00
Let's get this quoted in case he deletes the post:

"The term “single barrel” is one of the most confusing in the lexicon of spirits. Most designated Single Barrels are actually blends of liquor from different casks. Elijah Craig Single Barrel, for example, is composed of Bourbon from no more than 70 separate casks, and there are single barrel Bourbons on the market drawn from as many as 200 different barrels (most regular Bourbons, by contrast, are blends of whiskey from 500-700 barrels)."

He is claiming that "single barrel" is a "confusing" term and that "most" SB are not at all what they claim to be, individual barrel #s notwithstanding.

Maybe he knows something I don't.

But the idea that a confusion between EC 18 and 12 explains this stupidity is, well, equally stupid. And while I am open to anyone saying dumb stuff on blogs, people saying wildly inaccurate stuff -- so wildly inaccurate to show utter ignorance of the category the writer is professing to write about -- on blogs should be called out.

smokinjoe
05-23-2012, 04:45
^
Bravo, LIWSP. Posts 13 and 14 are spot on, IMO...

JayMonster
05-23-2012, 05:02
I must agree with LikeItWasSodaPop as well. In all honesty I recently made the mistake of confusing EC12 and EC18 in a thread here. But in doing so, I simply thought EC18 was a small batch Bourbon as EC12 is. That is a far cry from trying to suggest that single Barrel is actually just a smaller batch than "small batch."

He pulled that accusation out of thin air and insinuated that the entire industry was lying by using the term. And until such time as he corrects and apologizes for it, he deserves every bit of flack he gets for it.

Edited to add: This would be true for anybody who made such false accusations , but for somebody who would present themselves as an authority and publish a book on the "history" of the subject is just mind boggling.

Josh
05-23-2012, 06:53
I believe that bloggers should be mocked at any and every opportunity. Even if there's a good reason for it like in this case.

trumpstylz
05-23-2012, 08:00
Hey, come on guys. Lighten up. He made a mistake. We all do. Like yesterday, when I tried to drive my boat to the store, or sunday, when I tried to mow my lawn with a blender.

macdeffe
05-23-2012, 08:14
Haha, this was a funny thread. There is actually examples of single barrel/cask bottlings which can be questioned

Bitter truth Rye is one example, as the rye whiskey was revatted into fewer barrels at some point in maturation. Also I always wondered if finished single cask bottlings (I'm in Scotland now) are really true single casks, as two ex-bourbon cask can easily fit into a sherry butt

Steffen

bgageus
05-23-2012, 09:21
Also I always wondered if finished single cask bottlings (I'm in Scotland now) are really true single casks, as two ex-bourbon cask can easily fit into a sherry butt

Steffen

I don't know Sherry, but would sure like to meet her.

Restaurant man
05-23-2012, 10:20
I sent a polite email to the author pointing out an error in the post and got a response from mark@spivakonwine stating

"I spent three days at heaven hill last summer in connection with my forthcoming book. Larry Kass, their director of communications, told me that elijah craig single barrel was composed of no more than 70 different barrels. This is exactly the statement that appears in the piece"

so i politely responded that maybe he wanted to double check and he replied that i "appear be correct"

P.S. I would also like sherry's number and shoe size please

Josh
05-23-2012, 10:42
P.S. I would also like sherry's number and shoe size please

Don't you want to see a picture of the butt first?

Lazer
05-23-2012, 10:58
I sent a polite email to the author pointing out an error in the post and got a response from mark@spivakonwine stating

"I spent three days at heaven hill last summer in connection with my forthcoming book. Larry Kass, their director of communications, told me that elijah craig single barrel was composed of no more than 70 different barrels. This is exactly the statement that appears in the piece"

so i politely responded that maybe he wanted to double check and he replied that i "appear be correct"

P.S. I would also like sherry's number and shoe size please

the question is, were the 70 barrels vatted together before bottling or not?

CorvallisCracker
05-23-2012, 11:16
I STILL want to know what "Small Batch Single Barrel" is!

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=12034001000086





As for Sherry's butt, I've seen it. It's not all it's cracked up to be.

macdeffe
05-23-2012, 12:10
Well, you probably wont find smaller batch sizes than single barrels :-)

Steffen

ILLfarmboy
05-23-2012, 17:15
The thought hit me that he might be confusing two different things. If someone was told that EWSB 1999 release consisted of 70 barrels, they might not realize that all 70 barrels are dumped and bottled individually.

They might misunderstand, and come to think that SB bottlings aren't really singles, that the information regarding the number of barrels selected for that release was some inside dope he uncovered about singles not being singles.

funny, when you think about it........

Lazer
05-23-2012, 17:56
The thought hit me that he might be confusing two different things. If someone was told that EWSB 1999 release consisted of 70 barrels, they might not realize that all 70 barrels are dumped and bottled individually.

They might misunderstand, and come to think that SB bottlings aren't really singles, that the information regarding the number of barrels selected for that release was some inside dope he uncovered about singles not being singles.

funny, when you think about it........

ding ding ding ding, we have a winner, thanks for playing :grin:

BMartin42
05-23-2012, 18:18
The thought hit me that he might be confusing two different things. If someone was told that EWSB 1999 release consisted of 70 barrels, they might not realize that all 70 barrels are dumped and bottled individually.

They might misunderstand, and come to think that SB bottlings aren't really singles, that the information regarding the number of barrels selected for that release was some inside dope he uncovered about singles not being singles.

funny, when you think about it........

Funny, but also pathetic and ridiculous when you are trying to write a whiskey book and portray yourself as an expert. I hope book sales ate limited just to keep misinformation from spreading.

wadewood
05-23-2012, 18:34
he should hire one of us to proof read this.

Josh
05-23-2012, 19:15
The thought hit me that he might be confusing two different things. If someone was told that EWSB 1999 release consisted of 70 barrels, they might not realize that all 70 barrels are dumped and bottled individually.

They might misunderstand, and come to think that SB bottlings aren't really singles, that the information regarding the number of barrels selected for that release was some inside dope he uncovered about singles not being singles.

funny, when you think about it........

Nailed it. You're not an idiot, Brad. :lol:

smokinjoe
05-23-2012, 19:34
I texted the guy, and he explained that he DID stay at a Holiday Inn Express the night before he wrote the book...

Clavius
05-23-2012, 19:53
I texted the guy, and he explained that he DID stay at a Holiday Inn Express the night before he wrote the book...
I lol'd! :lol:

Kalessin
05-23-2012, 20:25
he should hire one of us to proof read this.

Only if the whiskey is higher than 90 proof while we read the book... :D

LongBeachScott
05-23-2012, 21:19
The thought hit me that he might be confusing two different things. If someone was told that EWSB 1999 release consisted of 70 barrels, they might not realize that all 70 barrels are dumped and bottled individually.

They might misunderstand, and come to think that SB bottlings aren't really singles, that the information regarding the number of barrels selected for that release was some inside dope he uncovered about singles not being singles.

funny, when you think about it........

That is what I thought when I read it. And I can forgive a blogger for making that mistake (although I would disregard him forever as any kind of expert).

I thought it was pretty bad that Four Roses linked this review from their Facebook page though. I would think even the social media person would be trained well enough to know that this an incorrect statement. The social media person should also know not to link a review that mentions a competitor's product in the first paragraph and criticizes the veracity of a term they are using!

Incidentally, it appears Four Roses removed the link from Facebook.

ILLfarmboy
05-24-2012, 13:35
That is what I thought when I read it.

It didn't hit me until I began thinking a complete neophyte might imagine 'single barrel' means that the entire seasonal, yearly, or one-off release is just one barrel. Its the kind of misunderstanding you would expect from a child who knows nothing about how big a barrel is, or how much 53 gal. minus the angel's share is, or how many bottles to expect from a barrel.

Not quite as bad as believing Juan Valdez picks every been by hand, but its gettin' there........