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Josh
05-24-2012, 20:15
A butt-load (J-lo sized) of new Heaven Hill products on the Michigan list as of June 3, 2012.

ECSB 20 y/o $130
EW White Label BiB $15
EW 1783 $17
Mellow Corn BiB $10
Evan Williams Apple Orchard (!!!) $13

Others:
Traverse City Whiskey Co. SBW $27 (86 proof)
Kilchoman Machir Bay $57
Isle of Jura Prophecy $80

Particularly excited about the EW white label and Mellow Corn. :grin:

mosugoji64
05-24-2012, 22:05
That's great news! I've been stretching out my supply of EW BIB due to the lack of availability and considering grabbing another MC next time we're in KY. Hopefully, they'll expand the markets elsewhere as well.

Lazer
05-24-2012, 22:08
that's good news. we don't get EWWight here in NYC. Maybe we will if this is an indication of wider distribution.

Another bourbon we don't get is Old Forester 86 or Signature, we only get the birthday bourbon, and I've seen the prohibition repeal aniversary bourbon on the shelf, but we don't get the regular stuff, and ... we also don't get VOB, but you might have known that already, just the 1792. If you need a $600 bottle of scotch, we have plenty of that, or handles of Hennesy for $60, 2 for $109.

CorvallisCracker
05-25-2012, 11:09
Particularly excited about the EW white label...


It's okay, but can't compare to VOB BiB. Here they're about the same price, which is why I never buy the EW.

Josh
05-25-2012, 11:37
It's okay, but can't compare to VOB BiB. Here they're about the same price, which is why I never buy the EW.

We don't get VOB BiB in Michigan, we only get the 90 proof VOB. I'm expecting the EW White to tide me over when I'm out of Heaven Hill White label BiB in between trips to Kentucky. Not expecting to blown away, but excited that more value pours and bonds are coming to The Mitten.

As of June 3, with this new batch, the number of whiskeys labeled as bonded sold in this state will double. Currently all we have is OGD and McKenna 10 y/o SB BiB. Of course, Rock Hill Farms and 4R Single Barrel are both available and are technically bonds although they aren't labeled as such. The only corn whiskey available for the longest time was Platte Valley, which is fine, but not great. The Hudson was added last month and now the Mellow Corn. Nice to have more variety in that category too.

Also, for the more refined whiskey drinkers, Jack Daniels TN Honey will be available in handles for $45 and 750 ml of Black Velvet Toasted Caramel will be available for a mere $13. Stock up now.

And yes, let's hope this is a good sign of increased distribution all over!

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/lara/06.03.12_SUPPLEMENTAL_386377_7.xls

tmckenzie
05-26-2012, 13:19
The ew 1783 is fine stuff as well.

awachatz
05-26-2012, 19:46
I just wish they would add Willetts and the Vintage bourbons to the offering in Michigan.

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deathevocation
05-27-2012, 06:53
Does the Michigan government control what alcohol is able to be sold in the state? I thought that sort of thing might be limited to some conservative counties in the southern part of the USA. Strange if true.

Special Reserve
05-27-2012, 07:42
Does the Michigan government control what alcohol is able to be sold in the state? I thought that sort of thing might be limited to some conservative counties in the southern part of the USA. Strange if true.

Michigan has been a control state for as long as I remember. >50 years .

By your statement it implies that conservatives like government controls. Not the conventional wisdom but who says that conventional wisdom is correct?

Will

deathevocation
05-27-2012, 07:55
Hmmm, I'd submit the degree of how far one leans to the right will determine how far one consents to government controls. In saying so, generally conservatives in Australia (not as right leaning as what I imagine they are in the USA) like alcohol controlled by big brother.

callmeox
05-27-2012, 10:25
Does the Michigan government control what alcohol is able to be sold in the state? I thought that sort of thing might be limited to some conservative counties in the southern part of the USA. Strange if true.

There are various levels of "control" for states without free market liquor sales. In Michigan, the state determines what can be sold and sets a minimum price but the retailers own the liquor on their shelves.

In my home state (Ohio) the state also determines what can be sold and sets a minimum price, but they own the liquor on the retailer shelves. The retailers sell on a consignment basis on behalf of the state and I believe they get between 5 and 10% of the sale price as their fee.

soad
05-27-2012, 12:12
Does the Michigan government control what alcohol is able to be sold in the state? I thought that sort of thing might be limited to some conservative counties in the southern part of the USA. Strange if true.

There seems to be no real connection between state wide ideology and liquor laws. Wikipedia lists the control states, and by my count the 19 are pretty much equally divided between "Red" and "Blue" States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholic_beverage_control_state#State_listing

Josh
05-29-2012, 10:15
Michigan is a "control state" but as control states go, it's not very controlling. We get a much better selection here than in many other control states. The control only really extends to liquor. Beer and wine are pretty much left alone.

Anyway, I also forgot to mention that, inexplicably to me, Old Overholt is coming to Michigan too. We already have Beam rye.

p_elliott
05-29-2012, 10:17
[quote=Josh;29000
Anyway, I also forgot to mention that, inexplicably to me, Old Overholt is coming to Michigan too. We already have Beam rye.[/quote]

Lucky you Now all you need is Ri(1) to finish out the gag bag. :slappin:

Josh
05-29-2012, 10:34
Lucky you Now all you need is Ri(1) to finish out the gag bag. :slappin:
Oh we already have it! The set is complete! :grin:

Peter_Pogue
05-30-2012, 17:46
We have been asked to distribute in Michigan several times over the last few years. The problem is not so much of state approval or retail distribution. The problem is the state markup is 60% BEFORE the retailer adds their markup. This makes the shelf price extremely expensive.

The Boozer
05-31-2012, 10:14
Sorry Peter, but comparing prices from Party Source and Binny's does not show a significant difference across the board. Also, have checked with prices from Fla. and Washington DC and again not significant spreads. Yes, some products are higher and some lower and in general, the product in Kentucky is generally cheaper. But look at prices from Binny's and Chicago tends to be modestly higher than the Michigan.

Josh
05-31-2012, 11:06
It's also worth noting that a retailer profit is built into the minimum price.

For example: The minimum price for a 750 ml bottle of Evan Williams Black for the consumer is $12.99 +sales tax. The price the retailer pays is (if I'm reading the chart right) $11.05 per bottle. So even when selling at state minimum, a retailer is going to be making about $2 off each bottle.

awachatz
05-31-2012, 17:28
Personally, I would pay the higher price. I just want a larger selection, specifically the quality bourbons that aren't currently available in Michigan.

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The Boozer
05-31-2012, 20:26
Personally, I would pay the higher price. I just want a larger selection, specifically the quality bourbons that aren't currently available in Michigan.

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The grass is not always greener on the other side. You could be living in Ohio, Penn or any other control State with a much smaller selection than this state. We don't have it too bad, could be worse. Also, Kentucky is only as short 5 hour drive, need to make a road trip and stock up. Another option is to find yourself a good mule.

Flyfish
06-07-2012, 07:37
The ew 1783 is fine stuff as well.
As a recent convert to EW 1783 as a value pour, I have found that "value" varies considerably. In KY, it is $12, in VA it's $14, and in GA, $17. On a percentage basis, that's a huge spread. Availability in MI is a good thing but at $17, I won't be making any special trips to MI. Even from Toledo, that sits right smack on the border.

Josh
09-22-2012, 11:57
Some more exciting (and some not so exciting) new stuff on the new price book and supplemental list.

John B. Stetson $29
Lexington $28
New Holland Beer Barrel Bourbon $30 (750 ml)
New PHC $90
WRMC 4 Wood $100
Everclear Lightnin' Corn Whiskey $20
Hudson NY Corn Whiskey $50 (!!!)
Bowman Brothers Small Batch $30 (woot!)
Col. Taylor Single Barrel $60
Col. Taylor Rye $70

Selected Dark Siders
Caol Ila 14 y/o (59% ABV) $110
Oban 18 y/o $160
Talisker 18 $136
Middleton Barry Crockett Legacy $300
Port Ellen 32 y/o $950

Josh
09-22-2012, 14:29
The Hudson NY Corn is $50 for a full 750 ml bottle, btw.

OscarV
09-22-2012, 14:38
John B. Stetson $29
Lexington $28


I assume these are bourbons.
Do you know who distilled them?
If not, care to speculate?

Josh
09-22-2012, 14:48
Mat says he was told that the Stetson is distilled by Heaven Hill.
http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?17162-John-B-Stetson-Bourbon&highlight=stetson

I know zero about the Lexington.

But you know, it's none of my business.:cool:

callmeox
09-22-2012, 15:25
Lexington comes from the same place as Sam Houston.

Josh
09-22-2012, 16:05
It would probably be safe to infer that it comes from the same distillery too.

callmeox
09-22-2012, 16:10
Yes, I was told that their current stocks have a common source.

Josh
09-22-2012, 16:12
Yes, I was told that their current stocks have a common source.

Thanks for the information, Scott!

callmeox
09-22-2012, 16:13
What information? I didn't tell you a thing. :cool:

Tony
09-22-2012, 17:23
Pappy took a jump for this fall-

PAPPY VAN WINKLE FAM RES-20 YR
90.4
750
12


129.99


PAPPY VAN WINKLES FAM RES-15
107.0
750
12


79.99


PAPPY VAN WINKLES FAM RES-23YR
95.6
750
6


249.99

OscarV
09-22-2012, 18:11
Thanks for the information, Scott!




What information? I didn't tell you a thing. :cool:



Teh he he, inside joke,...but don't sweat it cuz there's more where that came from.

Josh
09-22-2012, 18:14
Pappy took a jump for this fall-

PAPPY VAN WINKLE FAM RES-20 YR

90.4

750

12



129.99



PAPPY VAN WINKLES FAM RES-15

107.0

750

12



79.99



PAPPY VAN WINKLES FAM RES-23YR

95.6

750

6



249.99





I have never understood the pricing on those. What happens in the final three years of aging that makes Pappy 23 more than $100 more expensive than Pappy 20?

OscarV
09-22-2012, 18:34
I have never understood the pricing on those. What happens in the final three years of aging that makes Pappy 23 more than $100 more expensive than Pappy 20?
Of course you don't get it, you are one of those Christians,....just leave the aged Pappy to us KY Baptist & Atheists.

Josh
09-22-2012, 18:45
It's all yours, my man!

Tony
09-22-2012, 21:29
Of course you don't get it, you are one of those Christians,....just leave the aged Pappy to us KY Baptist & Atheists.

I am good with this. If I find some 23 I will let you know, and if you find some 15 you can let me know.

Best regards, Tony

Josh
10-22-2012, 07:37
Tim pipped me to the post, but here's the newbies on the October 28 supplemental list:

Big House Bourbon $20
Rittenhouse Rye (BiB) $22
Bulleit 10 y/o $50
Dickel Rye $23 750 ml, $29 1 ltr
McCarthy's Single Malt (Clear Creek) $70

Under American Blend there was this:
Flip Flop Silver/50 ml Spice Pl, 1.75 ltr, 80 proof, $19

Other stuff:
Big House Tupelo Honey $20
Bombay Sapphire East $25
The Hine line of Cognacs, $50-$358
Clear Creek Apple Brandy $36
Clear Creek 8 y/o Apple brandy $60 (the rest of the Clear Creek fruit brandies are also on the list)
Sparkle Donkey Tequila, Reposado & Silver, both $20
Cabin Fever Maple flavored whisky in a variety of sizes. $20 for 750 ml in a glass bottle.

tmckenzie
10-23-2012, 04:44
Mccarthys for 70 bucks? Wow, I think I saw it for 32 the other day, well worth that, but not 70 bucks.

Josh
10-23-2012, 06:52
Yeah seemed steep to me to, maybe it will come down, they sometimes do.

awachatz
10-23-2012, 16:48
I just recently saw the New Holland beer barrel bourbon that Josh had referenced.

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Josh
10-23-2012, 17:39
Yeah I picked up a bottle the other day. It's apparently Indiana bourbon finished in Dragon's Milk barrels.

awachatz
10-23-2012, 17:42
Have you tried it yet? Is it any good?

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Josh
10-23-2012, 18:23
I haven't tried it yet. I'll open it sometime this week and report back.

awachatz
01-02-2013, 09:51
Had a store owner indicate that EC12 barrel proof would be available later this year in Michigan. Has anyone else heard about this?

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Josh
01-02-2013, 10:56
Have you tried it yet? Is it any good?

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Had a store owner indicate that EC12 barrel proof would be available later this year in Michigan. Has anyone else heard about this?

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I have heard that it was coming but not that it was coming to Michigan. That's great news.

I finally had some of the beer barrel finished stuff. Not a game-changer, but I think it's pretty good. I took it to a NYE party and it was pretty popular there. Not as popular as the OGD 114, but a lot of people tried it and seemed to like it.

OutlawSW
01-02-2013, 13:00
Had a store owner indicate that EC12 barrel proof would be available later this year in Michigan. Has anyone else heard about this?

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I had not heard that either, but that's exciting news, can't wait to try it!

squire
01-02-2013, 13:21
Certainly a step in the right direction.

awachatz
01-02-2013, 17:04
I have heard that it was coming but not that it was coming to Michigan. That's great news.

I finally had some of the beer barrel finished stuff. Not a game-changer, but I think it's pretty good. I took it to a NYE party and it was pretty popular there. Not as popular as the OGD 114, but a lot of people tried it and seemed to like it.

I agree on the beer barrel bourbon. Not bad for the price, but not rushing out to buy more.

If I had one bourbon line to pick for Michigan to add, it would be the varies years of Willett Family Estate bourbon. Even though it is a crap shoot on what the bourbon will taste like, I have enjoyed almost every one that I have tried.

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Josh
01-02-2013, 17:23
I agree on the beer barrel bourbon. Not bad for the price, but not rushing out to buy more.

If I had one bourbon line to pick for Michigan to add, it would be the varies years of Willett Family Estate bourbon. Even though it is a crap shoot on what the bourbon will taste like, I have enjoyed almost every one that I have tried.

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That would be very cool. We're finally getting Heaven Hill and Buffalo Trace retailer bottlings here, so maybe Willet is around the corner!

Josh
03-07-2013, 07:39
Some of these have been mentioned elsewhere but here are the newbies in the Mitten:

Alibi Blended Whiskey $ (http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/panache-beverage-launches-alibi-american-whiskey-otcqb-wdka-1728917.htm)26


"This is not for the aficionado that adds a dropper of mineral water to his whiskey glass and swirls. Alibi is a blended whiskey that does not require elaborate tasting notes or a half-day tasting seminar on its production," noted Stephen W. Yorsz, Blend Master for Alibi. "This is more in the spirit of how whiskey was originally served in this country -- in a shot glass or flask."

Advertising creative notes, "Alibi is an elixir for the flawed human spirit in all of us... Alibi is for real people, real drinkers and believes that at one time or another, everybody needs an alibi."

Elijah Craig Barrel Strength $50
Russel's Reserve Small Batch Single Barrel $48
Grand Traverse 100% Corn Whiskey (86 proof) $30
Templeton Rye $40
Jim Beam Honey $22
MB Roland Black Dog $44
" White Dog $38
" Shine (100 proof) $38

squire
03-07-2013, 07:43
I would appreciate the Alibi sentiment more if they cut the price by at least half.

Josh
03-07-2013, 07:59
For the sake of comparison:
Seagram's 7 $12
Kessler $9
Old Grand Dad 114 $23
VOB 90 $13

I also find it oddly appropriate that they are choosing to link the brand with people making poor decisions.

http://www.alibiamerica.com/

Kalessin
03-07-2013, 09:08
Advertising creative notes, "Alibi is an elixir for the flawed human spirit in all of us... Alibi is for real people, real drinkers and believes that at one time or another, everybody needs an alibi."

I'm immediately reminded of the slogans printed on the "OK Soda" cans (from the "OK Manifesto", quoted from the Wikipedia article on OK Soda):


What's the point of OK? Well, what's the point of anything?
OK Soda emphatically rejects anything that is not OK, and fully supports anything that is.
The better you understand something, the more OK it turns out to be.
OK Soda says, "Don't be fooled into thinking there has to be a reason for everything."
OK Soda reveals the surprising truth about people and situations.
OK Soda does not subscribe to any religion, or endorse any political party, or do anything other than feel OK.
There is no real secret to feeling OK.
OK Soda may be the preferred drink of other people such as yourself.
Never overestimate the remarkable abilities of "OK" brand soda.
Please wake up every morning knowing that things are going to be OK.

I hope the marketing works better for Alibi than it did for OK Soda...

By the by, the same parent company (Panache Imports) is also releasing a bourbon, http://www.alibibourbon.com. I get the impression that the brand seems to be trying to latch onto the same young demographic that buys small-label super-premium vodka in fancy bottles.

squire
03-07-2013, 09:19
I speak on the record to revise and extend my earlier remarks. They ought to cut the price by at least 2/3rds.

Josh
03-15-2013, 17:28
Yes, I think they are going after the young market. I don't like their odds, though.

They would have to pay me to drink it, squire.

More noobs as of March 31, 2013

Valentine Woodward Whiskey (malt?) $38 from the people who made, err, bottled Valentine Vodka. The show distillery for this place is just a couple miles away from me.
Benchmark now available for your park bench drinking needs in 375 ml plastic travelers for $5.50
Macallan 22 y/o, 86 proof (with flask!) for $1500
Dry Fly Gin $30

And the actually exciting news, Balcones has arrived in the Mitten!
Rumble $35
Rumble Cask Reserve (114 proof) $63
Single Malt $63
Baby Blue $45
Brimstone $45
True Blue (120 proof) $63
True Blue 100 $54