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wmpevans
07-19-2012, 18:02
August/Sept 2012 Garden & Gun magazine has article on Julian P. Van Winkle: "Julian P. Van Winkle III is one of the most respected names in bourbon. So why are people so angry at him?"

Highly recommended reading. Very informative as to Pappy selection from BT barrels: after a tasting session and tasting ninety-four barrels: "only one dog in the bunch."

Tried to copy article over from Garden & Gun website, but couldn't locate, as this edition just hit the mailbox. I'll try to copy at office tomorrow and post, unless someone can locate and post.

Bill.

darylld911
07-19-2012, 19:17
August/Sept 2012 Garden & Gun magazine has article on Julian P. Van Winkle: "Julian P. Van Winkle III is one of the most respected names in bourbon. So why are people so angry at him?"

Highly recommended reading. Very informative as to Pappy selection from BT barrels: after a tasting session and tasting ninety-four barrels: "only one dog in the bunch."

Tried to copy article over from Garden & Gun website, but couldn't locate, as this edition just hit the mailbox. I'll try to copy at office tomorrow and post, unless someone can locate and post.

Bill.

Wow - look forward to seeing this article! I tried to find it on their website but came up short. So if they tasted 94 barrels, and found 93 to be left wanting . . . I wonder what becomes of those? Are those blended into something else, or just considered too far gone to be of use (or some mixture of the two). And I'm curious if that is their normal find (just better than 1%), or if a weather patterns in the last 23 years makes this an outlier.

Ejmharris
07-19-2012, 19:28
Wow - look forward to seeing this article! I tried to find it on their website but came up short. So if they tasted 94 barrels, and found 93 to be left wanting . . . I wonder what becomes of those? Are those blended into something else, or just considered too far gone to be of use (or some mixture of the two). And I'm curious if that is their normal find (just better than 1%), or if a weather patterns in the last 23 years makes this an outlier.

I may be wrong about the dog reference but I believe you have it backwards. They tasted 94 and liked 93. The dog was the bad one of the bunch.

MyOldKyDram
07-19-2012, 19:29
I think he meant he only found one bad one in the bunch, unless I read it wrong.

ETA: or yeah, what he said.

Tucker
07-19-2012, 19:37
When the article is posted it'll show up here...

http://gardenandgun.com/magazine (http://gardenandgun.com/magazine)

May be there tomorrow, may take another few weeks or more.

darylld911
07-20-2012, 05:40
AAAaaaa . . . well that just makes a whole lot more sense :) Thanks for pointing that out!

Halifax
07-20-2012, 12:25
Good read. Thanks for scanning and posting!

OscarV
07-20-2012, 13:26
"Julian P. Van Winkle III is one of the most respected names in bourbon. So why are people so angry at him?"



As for me it's because he waters his great boubon down to much.
Pappy 20 is flat and one dimensional.
Wheaters shouldn't be cut to 100 proof.

White Dog
07-20-2012, 16:11
Yawn. This would have been a much better article if it had written by BarrelChar.

p_elliott
07-21-2012, 01:06
The post with the article was deleted because it was a scanned copyright protected article. That is against the rules of SB.com. You can post a link to the article.

MacinJosh
07-21-2012, 10:49
For what it's worth, I thought it was a nice article.

No Earth-shattering revelations or X-Files-like conspiracies.....just an entertaining article and a nice piece of journalism. It was well written.

CoMobourbon
07-21-2012, 11:10
Yawn. This would have been a much better article if it had written by BarrelChar.

YES.

I have to read that version NOW. Come on Senor Char!

Tucker
07-25-2012, 08:58
Here 'tis...

http://gardenandgun.com/article/julian-p-van-winkle

cowdery
07-25-2012, 09:28
Enjoyed the pictures of the Van Winkle Distillery. Looks a little like Buffalo Trace.

p_elliott
07-25-2012, 09:47
Very good article and thank you Tucker for making it a link.

TradingBoiler
07-25-2012, 10:30
Thanks for sharing. A fun read!

tigerlam92
07-25-2012, 23:40
"On a twenty-three-year-old barrel, the angels’ share is about fifty gallons out of the original fifty-three, which partly explains Van Winkle 23’s heart-stopping expense."

Wow. Is this accurate? That's a huge lost to factor for and planned.

0.9 * (0.95^22) * 53 gallons = 15.43 gallons

That's going be a happy angel in any case.

Cheers
--Hugh

jburlowski
07-26-2012, 05:52
I participated in a single barrel selection of PVW 23 a few years back. Yielded a whopping 35 bottles.

soonami
07-26-2012, 08:19
I participated in a single barrel selection of PVW 23 a few years back. Yielded a whopping 35 bottles.
So that barrel yielded about 7 gallons of bourbon.

"On a twenty-three-year-old barrel, the angels’ share is about fifty gallons out of the original fifty-three, which partly explains Van Winkle 23’s heart-stopping expense."

Wow. Is this accurate? That's a huge lost to factor for and planned.

0.9 * (0.95^22) * 53 gallons = 15.43 gallons

That's going be a happy angel in any case.

Cheers
--Hugh


My guess is that the numbers don't really reflect the actual evaporation rate. The first year, there's a lot of loss because the wood absorbs so much of the whiskey. Over time while the barrel is mostly full then evaporation should be pretty slow, but as the bourbon gets lower, the evaporation rate proportional to the amount of total bourbon in the barrel increases because surface area (bourbon barrel) is the same, but the volume of liquid inside is the same. It's possible that the evaporation rate might be 2-2.5 gallons a year (~5% at the original volume), but as the volume gets lower the percentage is higher.

dgonano
07-26-2012, 15:26
Don't forget the water added to bring the proof down to 95.6. So only 5 gallons were squeezed from barrel. When sb.com and KBS did three 23yr Pappy's back in 2007, the output in bottles was 57,93, 81.