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bllygthrd
09-01-2012, 16:39
Visited a liquor monger in WV today, and they had Ten High Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey in 750 mL. It didn't have the "a blend" moniker on the label. Has Sazerac started shipping a straight bourbon expression of High Ten again?

HighInTheMtns
09-01-2012, 18:52
Looks that way: http://www.bartonbrands.com/tenhigh.html. I bought a bottle of Ten High right before it became a blend and I don't remember much except that it was thin and finishing the bottle was a chore. I wonder how good the juice in the new KSBW version is? In any case it's nice to see that they have sufficient stocks to make it a bourbon again, and it's nice to see someone make a brand better instead of worse.

This is one of two Barton expressions available in Utah. I'll pay attention and when it switches to a bourbon again, I'll give it a try. It's cheap, why not?

CoMobourbon
09-02-2012, 06:27
Last time I checked, not so great. It's pretty much the cheapest KSBW money can buy, and while it's not absolutely undrinkable straight, I can't imagine doing anything with it other than putting it in Coke.

*And that's coming from me, the cheapest bourbon drinker in the world.

tmckenzie
09-02-2012, 06:53
I am pretty sure nothing has changed. From what I understand, they kept it straight in some states. Control states, where it is hard to change stuff up. I always liked it for an everyday bourbon.

unclebunk
09-02-2012, 06:59
The only non-blended TH that I've ever seen around here is the older bottles of Ten High Ten which are definitely worth your while if you ever come across one.

bad_scientist
09-02-2012, 07:41
The only non-blended TH that I've ever seen around here is the older bottles of Ten High Ten which are definitely worth your while if you ever come across one.

So many of those tax stripped ones in DC. Sku didn't like it, so I've just passed them up, but if you say differently, I guess I might as well try it out.

Enoch
09-02-2012, 07:42
I don't think it was ever a blend in SC.

ethangsmith
09-02-2012, 07:49
PA has the blend stuff. What gets me is- How do they call it a bourbon whiskey if it contains GNS??? Would it not be a blended whiskey and not a bourbon whiskey???

HighInTheMtns
09-02-2012, 07:52
It's a blend here too, if they only kept the KSBW version in sime control states it seems that it wasn't so in PA or UT. I don't think there's anything stopping them from using "blended bourbon" because that term is just not defined legally. They don't use the word "straight" and that's enough.

unclebunk
09-02-2012, 08:34
So many of those tax stripped ones in DC. Sku didn't like it, so I've just passed them up, but if you say differently, I guess I might as well try it out.

I wouldn't expect some kickass hidden gem but for under $20 you'd be picking up a thoroughly decent whiskey. And keep in mind that Ten High Ten was one of the earlier attempts at marketing a "premium" whiskey, complete with the fancy tin packaging and cool contoured bottle. Have the ones you've seen come in the tin?

White Dog
09-02-2012, 09:48
I'll second Unclebunk. Dusty Ten high 10yr is might tasty.

fishnbowljoe
09-02-2012, 09:54
I'm also in agreement on the older Ten High Ten. Not bad at all IMHO.

Young Blacksmith
09-02-2012, 17:39
Not sure about ten high ten, but the dusty Ten High half pint I picked up not long ago was somewhere between barely drinkable and just OK. Straight, no GNS, marked as a Hiram Walker product, from around '82. It's actually a barton product I think, which is a decent sign for me, I just prefer Tom Moore a bit more.

I see half gallons on the bottom shelf all the time here, also straight, but I'll have to check now.

tmckenzie
09-03-2012, 05:51
I like that tax stripped ten high. It has a nice sweetness to it. Much better in my opinion than some premium stuff made today. Next time you see some, if you do not want it, send it my way.

bad_scientist
09-03-2012, 13:41
Not sure about ten high ten, but the dusty Ten High half pint I picked up not long ago was somewhere between barely drinkable and just OK. Straight, no GNS, marked as a Hiram Walker product, from around '82. It's actually a barton product I think, which is a decent sign for me, I just prefer Tom Moore a bit more.

I see half gallons on the bottom shelf all the time here, also straight, but I'll have to check now.

I didn't realize that Ten High came in normal and 10 year versions back in the '80s. I need to take a closer look at what they are around here. I didn't see any with a tin, for sure.

Young Blacksmith
09-03-2012, 18:17
I think the Ten High Ten came out for a few years, then was dropped to the normal Ten High. There are some pics on here somewhere I've seen of the 10H10.

cowdery
09-03-2012, 19:41
Ten High Ten is a dusty. It hasn't been available for years.

Unless something has changed very recently, Sazerac makes Ten High in two versions, a Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey and a Bourbon Blend. Distributors can choose, but they can't have both, so a given state should have one or the other, but not both.

A blended bourbon, aka bourbon-a blend, is at least 51 percent straight bourbon on a proof gallon basis. The rest can be and usually is GNS. A blended whiskey can be as little as 20 percent straight whiskey on a proof gallon basis and the rest can be and usually is GNS.

p_elliott
09-04-2012, 09:19
I think Iowa still gets the straight bourbon as it was the best selling bourbon in the state for years (hangs head).

HighInTheMtns
09-04-2012, 09:51
I think Iowa still gets the straight bourbon as it was the best selling bourbon in the state for years (hangs head).

Hey, at least it's unique from JBW, I'm sure the best selling bourbon in every state is young and nondescript.

cowdery
09-04-2012, 10:21
The KSBW Ten High is a perfectly respectable whiskey and a very good value.

squire
11-24-2012, 20:55
It was a quality presentation alright, also a lesson in why some whiskies just aren't meant for long aging. My recollection is Ten High Ten was an overly woody whisky past it's prime.

tommyboy38
11-29-2012, 20:19
But some of us prefer a woody



whiskey

squire
11-30-2012, 05:56
The regular Ten High is a Straight Bourbon here and a very good value that I wouldn't hesitate to use or serve to guests.

humchan2k
11-30-2012, 09:45
My family was given a handle of the Ten High Straight from '82 about a year ago, tax stamp in place and everything....and boy, wow....it's some of the worst whiskey I've ever had. I honestly can't find a single thing to like about it...at all.

If you're going to buy a cheap whiskeye in the same price range as this, for the love of GOD, man, go get some VOB BIB for $12-14.

cowdery
11-30-2012, 10:52
82 would have been some of the last Ten High made in Peoria, IL, where the brand originated. After that, it was briefly a Heaven Hill product, but has for about 25 years been made at Barton. The Barton Ten High, which is all you're going to find in stores, the occasional dusty notwithstanding, is VOB at four years rather than six. The only thing is to make sure you get the straight bourbon version and not the bourbon blend, which depends on where you are. Here in Illinois, where Ten High began, it's still a straight bourbon, and still a great value at $11/750.

trumpstylz
12-10-2012, 20:50
Yeah, i think it gets a bad rap. It's not something you wanna swirl in a glencarin, but its great to have on hand at parties sitting next to some coke and a bucket of ice.

squire
12-10-2012, 21:01
$11.00 is outrageous, here it's closer to $8.39.

unclebunk
12-11-2012, 05:57
The regular Ten High is a Straight Bourbon here and a very good value that I wouldn't hesitate to use or serve to guests. Agreed. When I put it in a decanter once just to see what people would think of it, my friends drank it straight away and were happy with it. Had I pulled out a bottle of it to serve, their reaction would have been different. Crazy!


82 would have been some of the last Ten High made in Peoria, IL, where the brand originated. After that, it was briefly a Heaven Hill product, but has for about 25 years been made at Barton. The Barton Ten High, which is all you're going to find in stores, the occasional dusty notwithstanding, is VOB at four years rather than six. The only thing is to make sure you get the straight bourbon version and not the bourbon blend, which depends on where you are. Here in Illinois, where Ten High began, it's still a straight bourbon, and still a great value at $11/750.

It really is an excellent value for $11 and sits comfortably next to VOB, though I still tend to go for the latter when given the choice.


But some of us prefer a woody




whiskey

You ain't mixing bourbon and Cialis again, are you Tommy?:lol:

smokinjoe
12-11-2012, 18:45
Back some years ago, there were a couple of Ten High minis waiting in the General Nelson room I checked into, prior to the Kentucky Bourbon Festival. Part of the GN's providing for some...um...ambiance...Well, after a 6ish hour drive from ATL to Bardstown, that Ten High sipped from the bathroom plastic cup was one of the best "whiskey tasing experiences" I've ever had. So yeah, it's alright by me.
:toast:

jcg9779
12-11-2012, 19:06
I think the Ten High Ten came out for a few years, then was dropped to the normal Ten High. There are some pics on here somewhere I've seen of the 10H10.

Here you go:



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unclebunk
12-12-2012, 06:02
I grabbed four or five of those THT tins a few years back for $15 a piece or so and was really pleased with my find. Nice packaging too!

p_elliott
12-12-2012, 08:35
At one time Ten High was the best selling bourbon in Iowa as it was most used well bourbon in bars.

Curtisc84
12-15-2012, 15:33
I picked up a Ten High Straight after reading this thread. I really enjoyed the woody taste of it. I'd buy another after I finish if I can find it. I see mostly blended when I see Ten High on the shelf.

MauiSon
03-29-2013, 20:40
I saw a few bottles of the dusty Peoria, IL, version, but at $15 I passed and chose the lone Early Times tax stripped ($8).

TheNovaMan
03-30-2013, 01:46
Last time I checked, not so great. It's pretty much the cheapest KSBW money can buy, and while it's not absolutely undrinkable straight, I can't imagine doing anything with it other than putting it in Coke.

*And that's coming from me, the cheapest bourbon drinker in the world. Hmm, it looks like SB.com may have a new cheapest bourbon drinker in the world. Read on...


The regular Ten High is a Straight Bourbon here and a very good value that I wouldn't hesitate to use or serve to guests. Even if I weren't already a Ten High straight fan, this endorsement would be good enough for me to buy a bottle (if it were available where I live).


Here in Illinois, where Ten High began, it's still a straight bourbon, and still a great value at $11/750.


Agreed. When I put it in a decanter once just to see what people would think of it, my friends drank it straight away and were happy with it. Had I pulled out a bottle of it to serve, their reaction would have been different. Crazy!

It really is an excellent value for $11 and sits comfortably next to VOB, though I still tend to go for the latter when given the choice.


$11.00 is outrageous, here it's closer to $8.39. It used to be a hair under $7.50 for a 750 of it in MI, and $17.48 for a handle (and I understand you can still get Ten High straight in many places in MI that aren't Kalamazoo). The next step down was Old Croak and Mattingly & Moore, neither of which are worth the spare lint in your pocket. The next step up was Ezra Brooks, which goes for $25 for a handle. Ten High straight was by far the best deal around if you wanted a decent bourbon for a great price.


Yeah, i think it gets a bad rap. It's not something you wanna swirl in a glencarin, but its great to have on hand at parties sitting next to some coke and a bucket of ice. That was the strength of Ten High straight - there was nothing WRONG with it. Sure, it was a little young, had some rough edges, and wasn't very complex, but it was only $17.48 for a handle! I drank it in mixes, in cocktails, on ice, and even neat, and I was always pleased with the value......... until they turned it into a 'bourbon blend'. That was a sad day. :frown:

tanstaafl2
03-30-2013, 16:08
I still have a 3/4 full liter bottle somewhere in the back of the cabinet that is probably at least 20 years old and was my cocktail mixing bourbon at that time. I guess I need to pull it out, dust it off and see if it is still any good!

G-Rat
03-30-2013, 21:46
wait...sorry to derail things but...I live in St. Louis right on the border with Illinois. I like Barton Juice a lot. So the question is...

Ten High is not a blend but a straight whiskey in Illinois? True or false...cuz if it is i'm headed east to check some out.

squire
03-31-2013, 12:47
I've been in stores where it was both so read the label carefully.

bllygthrd
03-31-2013, 12:53
I've been in stores where it was both so read the label carefully.
Same here in WV ... I find both here, although the "blend" is much more prevalent.

cowdery
04-02-2013, 18:12
I believe it's supposed to be straight bourbon in Illinois, and Missouri distributors can't legally sell to Illinois retailers, but shit happens. Always check the labels.

Sazerac seems to really be burying Ten High. They're either getting ready to sell it or degrade it further.

squire
04-03-2013, 10:33
That would be a shame really. I would rather see the brand discontinued over debasement.

mark fleetwood
04-04-2013, 14:06
On his blog today Chuck notes that Sazerac does not show Ten High on its redesigned website, a little more fuel to the idea that they're planning to get rid of it one way or the other.
Would anyone WANT to buy a bottom shelf brand?
If they are planning to shutter it, I'm not taking it sitting down. A great old name deserves better. I'm going to start a Ten High Ambassadors program, eventually rallying 13 drunks outside BT's Frankfort offices chanting "we shall overcome."
Nothing is over until we decide it is!
(Trying to figure out a way to use Liam Neeson's "I will look for you. I will find you and I will kill you" Taken line but then this all starts to seem a little ridiculous since no one in their right mind can seriously imagine 13 drunk SB members sauntering across the Kentucky bluegrass looking for, finding, and harming anyone but themselves, not to mention whomever from BT plays Marco from Tropoja in this farce.)

cowdery
04-04-2013, 14:11
I don't know what's up with Ten High. I could ask, but where would be the fun in that?

Ten High was once a huge brand and I thought it still had a pretty good following, even though they're obviously all cheap ass m***erf***ers, but maybe they all finally died off or switched to Imperial, which was Ten High's blended whiskey counterpart historically.

squire
04-04-2013, 14:20
Nah, just switched to grand mothers.

mark fleetwood
04-04-2013, 15:37
I don't know what's up with Ten High. I could ask, but where would be the fun in that?

Ten High was once a huge brand and I thought it still had a pretty good following, even though they're obviously all cheap ass m***erf***ers, but maybe they all finally died off or switched to Imperial, which was Ten High's blended whiskey counterpart historically.
Ten High was/is related to Imperial?!
That just ruined my day.

TheNovaMan
04-04-2013, 21:35
Mark, I'll come with you.

Col. Cowdery, there was a reason us "cheap ass m***erf***ers" (no offense taken) paid the extra $3.49 for a handle of Ten High straight over a handle of Imperial: taste, believe it or not. Now we're left wondering what to drink, because blends suck, and it was the only acceptable bourbon in its price bracket. The next best deal in MI seems to be Ezra Brooks 90 proof, but at $24.99/1.75L, that's 43% more than we were used to paying for budget bourbon.

Ten High may not be on the GreatBourbon.com site anymore, but it's still on Sazerac.com. I've also seen a couple COLAs of new labels that look nothing like any previous Ten High label.

cowdery
04-05-2013, 08:30
Col. Cowdery, there was a reason us "cheap ass m***erf***ers" (no offense taken) ...

None intended.

Both Imperial and Ten High were Hiram Walker brands. Ten High was made exclusively at the Hiram Walker Distillery in Peoria, Illinois. Imperial was made there, as an American blend, and at Walkerville as a Canadian blend. The whiskey portion of the American Imperial would have been Ten High. That's the connection.

PaulO
04-05-2013, 08:51
In the movie Ed Wood, Johnny Depp drinks Imperial as his regular pour. :lol:

mark fleetwood
04-05-2013, 10:38
In the movie Ed Wood, Johnny Depp drinks Imperial as his regular pour. :lol:
I'm not familiar with the movie Ed Wood, but if it has a singular memorable line please tailor it for our March on Frankfort, and invite Johnny if you want to.
Hoping the new label means survival for Ten High, coincidence that its possible near-resurrection occurs near Easter? Just saying.

cowdery
04-05-2013, 16:26
I got a note from Mark Brown indicating that they're revisiting the Great Bourbon list to see if Ten High should be on it or not. No talk about the brand's departure or demise.

If you want to start a movement, start one to bring it back to Illinois.

mark fleetwood
04-05-2013, 17:29
I got a note from Mark Brown indicating that they're revisiting the Great Bourbon list to see if Ten High should be on it or not. No talk about the brand's departure or demise.

If you want to start a movement, start one to bring it back to Illinois.
We always talk about KY's historical distillery sites, are there any left standing in IL?

tmckenzie
04-05-2013, 17:58
Well, for a cheap bourbon, this has been quite a thread. I hope Sazerac has somebody reading it. Maybe they will bring it back as a good value bourbon. I will volunteer to pick the barrels.

cowdery
04-06-2013, 11:35
We always talk about KY's historical distillery sites, are there any left standing in IL?

The old Hiram Walker plant in Peoria, on the river, is still in operation as an ethanol plant operated by Archer Daniels Midland. I know they make beverage ethanol (i.e., vodka), industrial alcohol and fuel. There is another ethanol distillery in nearby Pekin, that also was originally a whiskey distillery, that makes mostly fuel ethanol. If there are any picturesque closed distilleries around, I don't know about them. Illinois plants were always larger and even in their late 19th century heyday they made as much GNS as they did whiskey.

squire
04-06-2013, 12:04
For our house an acceptable cheap Bourbon to replace Ten High is Benchmark.

TheNovaMan
04-06-2013, 21:15
I really tried hard to like it Squire, but I just can't get past the odd, synthetic taste I get from it.

squire
04-06-2013, 21:33
Maybe we got a better batch down here Pete.

TheNovaMan
04-06-2013, 22:14
It's possible, but I've noticed that taste to varying degrees in all three BT products I've tasted, and it's in both my bottles of Benchmark, which had a couple years between them.

squire
04-07-2013, 09:51
Actually, Benchmark has been cheaper here than Ten High for quite some time. I would like to think BT blends it to a profile but at that entry level price I wouldn't expect it or think so because the latest bottle we bought is much better than one from some 7-8 years ago.

JPBoston
04-07-2013, 12:40
I enjoyed the one (family sized) bottle of Benchmark I had as well. Not bad at all, really.

cowdery
04-08-2013, 12:07
Benchmark is made at BT. Ten High is made at Barton. Benchmark is a young BT or ER, while Ten High is a young VOB.

BigBoldBully
06-08-2013, 21:24
After having only ever seen the blended Ten High, I just saw some tonight that was labeled "straight sour mash" and was kind of excited, but leery. Is all the straight Ten High labeled this way nowadays, rather than as "Kentucky straight bourbon whiskey," or is sazerac trying to fool me again?

MauiSon
06-09-2013, 01:28
I don't know what's up with Ten High. I could ask, but where would be the fun in that?

Ten High was once a huge brand and I thought it still had a pretty good following, even though they're obviously all cheap ass m***erf***ers, but maybe they all finally died off or switched to Imperial, which was Ten High's blended whiskey counterpart historically.

I guess that's why the most common dusty in Honolulu is Imperial, followed closely by Canadian Club.

tmckenzie
06-09-2013, 03:46
After having only ever seen the blended Ten High, I just saw some tonight that was labeled "straight sour mash" and was kind of excited, but leery. Is all the straight Ten High labeled this way nowadays, rather than as "Kentucky straight bourbon whiskey," or is sazerac trying to fool me again?
If it says straight, it is the real deal, always a good value pour in my book. That of it as Baby Old Barton.

squire
06-09-2013, 10:30
Baby Barton, I like that.

bllygthrd
06-09-2013, 15:15
Baby Old Barton.

LOL ... I'll never look at the three bottles of Ten High KSBW I have the same.