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passthebourbon
09-07-2012, 20:15
I just read David Driscoll's note on the whole Jefferson's Ocean fiasco with K&L, ending with a suggestion to go to eBay if you want to find one. Out of curiosity I went and saw that some of the bottles were darker in color, while some were lighter. The two I picked up from Binny's (not trying to brag) fell on the lighter side, so I'm wondering if anyone knows if there was variation in proof in bottling.

The web notes 88 proof across the board (going from memory as I type on my iPhone), so does anyone have one that says otherwise? Or doesn't note proof at all? I'm fairly certain mine state 88, but I'm too tired to go down to the bunker to confirm.

Cheers,
Pete

Tico
09-07-2012, 22:01
Maybe some bottles got caught in high tide?

;)

HighInTheMtns
09-08-2012, 02:17
Color variation doesn't necessarily correspond to proof variation.

I hope you like your Jefferson's Oceans. I like coastal Scotch a lot, may the sea character treat that bourbon well!

compliance
09-08-2012, 14:29
Could also be the lighting/camera hitting the bottle differently.

StraightNoChaser
09-10-2012, 20:24
Could also be the lighting/camera hitting the bottle differently.

Most likely this

tanstaafl2
09-17-2012, 14:14
I just read David Driscoll's note on the whole Jefferson's Ocean fiasco with K&L, ending with a suggestion to go to eBay if you want to find one. Out of curiosity I went and saw that some of the bottles were darker in color, while some were lighter. The two I picked up from Binny's (not trying to brag) fell on the lighter side, so I'm wondering if anyone knows if there was variation in proof in bottling.

The web notes 88 proof across the board (going from memory as I type on my iPhone), so does anyone have one that says otherwise? Or doesn't note proof at all? I'm fairly certain mine state 88, but I'm too tired to go down to the bunker to confirm.

Cheers,
Pete

Rumors seem to abound regarding this particular bourbon. I would love to get one but that seems highly unlikely. Altohugh I originally saw it being discussed at 88 proof the lone bottle that supposedly makes up the allocation at K&L (kinda wonder if ownership didn't end up with a bottle or two but perhaps not) appears to be down to 82.3 proof. First I heard 600 bottles would be produced and now I hear/read it is down to 250. I also was told from someone in the business that several barrels were damaged and some or all of the contents were lost because the metal rings rusted from exposure to the sea. Stainless steel anyone?

I have no idea what is in fact true. But for $200 or more (again only what I have read, don't know what the actual cost is. The bid on K&L is already over $300) it seems to be getting less and less appealing even if I did have a chance to buy one. But I probably would given the chance. Of course then I would want to drink it and the more expensive it gets the harder that would be to do!

ThirstyinOhio
09-17-2012, 15:17
Rumors seem to abound regarding this particular bourbon. I would love to get one but that seems highly unlikely. Altohugh I originally saw it being discussed at 88 proof the lone bottle that supposedly makes up the allocation at K&L (kinda wonder if ownership didn't end up with a bottle or two but perhaps not) appears to be down to 82.3 proof. First I heard 600 bottles would be produced and now I hear/read it is down to 250. I also was told from someone in the business that several barrels were damaged and some or all of the contents were lost because the metal rings rusted from exposure to the sea. Stainless steel anyone?

I have no idea what is in fact true. But for $200 or more (again only what I have read, don't know what the actual cost is. The bid on K&L is already over $300) it seems to be getting less and less appealing even if I did have a chance to buy one. But I probably would given the chance. Of course then I would want to drink it and the more expensive it gets the harder that would be to do!

Do you have a link for this K&L bidding? Nevermind...I found it.

LostBottle
09-17-2012, 16:07
Auction, huh? Wow, already at 150% of retail. Stay classy, K&L

MyOldKyDram
09-17-2012, 16:15
I dont fault them. I mean, they had one bottle. Why not?

berto
09-17-2012, 16:29
Auction, huh? Wow, already at 150% of retail. Stay classy, K&L

I would have preferred a lottery so those without deep pockets could have even a slight chance for the opportunity to buy K&L's single bottle at retail but I can't get too worked up over a bottle I wouldn't have bought if given the chance. Perhaps K&L can donate everything over the $200 retail to OCEARCH like Jefferson's is doing. Just a thought Davids.

Back on topic, I'm curious to hear about the differences if anyone gets to sample dark and light. This experiment is intriguing.

tanstaafl2
09-20-2012, 13:17
A little less than 4 hours to go on the K&L auction and the Jeff Ocean bid is currently at a modest $975.

Just a bit out of my price range...

Clavius
09-20-2012, 13:40
A little less than 4 hours to go on the K&L auction and the Jeff Ocean bid is currently at a modest $975.

Just a bit out of my price range...

I'm sure it's interesting and I would definitely like to taste it... but that is just crazy.

passthebourbon
09-20-2012, 17:00
Sold! A mere $1,025.

Unreal.

michaelturtle1
09-20-2012, 17:39
Seeing that makes me angry that I didn't immediately order a few bottles when I saw them for $181...oh well I still think that would have been too much $$ no matter how rare it is

sku
09-20-2012, 21:11
Sold! A mere $1,025.

Unreal.

Everyone mark this moment when an independently bottled bourbon originally listed for $90 sold for over $1,000. This, more than any single event, marks the end of the golden age of whiskey and portends the crash.

Jefferson's Ocean Aged = pets.com

LostBottle
09-20-2012, 22:09
Everyone mark this moment when an independently bottled bourbon originally listed for $90 sold for over $1,000. This, more than any single event, marks the end of the golden age of whiskey and portends the crash.

Jefferson's Ocean Aged = pets.com

Agreed.

It also marks the moment I decided I will not give this retailer any more business. I encourage others to think before buying bourbon. A retailer that encourages this madness via auctions and gouging and then claims this was done out of "fairness" sets a very bad precedent. While businesses are free to charge what they want, I am free to shop elsewhere.

sku
09-20-2012, 22:55
Agreed.

It also marks the moment I decided I will not give this retailer any more business. I encourage others to think before buying bourbon. A retailer that encourages this madness via auctions and gouging and then claims this was done out of "fairness" sets a very bad precedent. While businesses are free to charge what they want, I am free to shop elsewhere.

I can understand being upset but blaming the retailer here is sort of killing the messenger. They only got one bottle and chose to auction it. It was idiot consumers who bid it up to $1,000.

SDpappy
09-20-2012, 23:14
KL is a fantastic store and runs a classy operation. They also have a wine auction division. I see wines I want for $50 but some of those wines sell for $$$$$. Supply vs Demand. I want to buy Pappy for $40, Screaming Eagle Cab for $200, and Pliny the Younger in keg version. Just not gonna happen :(

LostBottle
09-21-2012, 00:26
KL is a fantastic store and runs a classy operation. They also have a wine auction division. I see wines I want for $50 but some of those wines sell for $$$$$. Supply vs Demand. I want to buy Pappy for $40, Screaming Eagle Cab for $200, and Pliny the Younger in keg version. Just not gonna happen :(

With all due respect, that is a bit of a straw man argument. No one sells Pappy for $40 or Screaming Eagle for $200 as that is way below normal retail pricing. Those examples would never happen; however, it did happen that most places sold the Jefferson's at the suggested retail of ~$200.

mrviognier
09-21-2012, 12:21
I got a bottle for a mere $180, but haven't opened it yet. Of course, I'm willing to sell it for an even $1,000. Hell, I'll even throw in free shipping. ;)

smokinjoe
09-21-2012, 12:36
I got a bottle for a mere $180, but haven't opened it yet. Of course, I'm willing to sell it for an even $1,000. Hell, I'll even throw in free shipping. ;)

Throw in a couple tix to the WLOCP? :D

MauiSon
09-21-2012, 12:46
I think K & L Wines is a great retailer. They have auctions I've bid in and their auction program adds value to their business. Everyone losing in that auction can be entirely satisfied that they could have bought the bottle by bidding higher than all others - what system is more fair than that? In the generally secretive liquor business, this was a shining beacon of clarity. The auction price system is used for many commodities on a wholesale basis and is generally considered to lower prices overall by removing barriers to the supply/demand process.

You want cheap hooch? Buy cheap hooch - it's readily available. You want the single bottle available from one retailer? Pay the piper. I'd bet K&L donates the excess profits to charity because the publicity over the auction was worth a darn sight more than the hammer price.

tanstaafl2
09-27-2012, 11:31
It seems this thread has made it's way to the K&L Spirits Journal blog (http://spiritsjournal.klwines.com/klwinescom-spirits-blog/2012/9/27/kl-to-donate-profit-from-jeffersons-ocean.html)and the company is in fact donating the additional profit from the auction to a local (unidentified to my knowledge) charity.

I suppose it is a good thing. But the point made by SKU in this thread and reemphasized by David Driscoll at the end of his blog is probably the real take home message.

David D
09-27-2012, 11:44
It seems this thread has made it's way to the K&L Spirits Journal blog (http://spiritsjournal.klwines.com/klwinescom-spirits-blog/2012/9/27/kl-to-donate-profit-from-jeffersons-ocean.html)and the company is in fact donating the additional profit from the auction to a local (unidentified to my knowledge) charity.

I suppose it is a good thing. But the point made by SKU in this thread and reemphasized by David Driscoll at the end of his blog is probably the real take home message.

Hi guys. This is most likely going to the Stanford Childrens Hospital. That's where we usually focus most of our charitable donations. I'll take a photo of the check and post it on the blog later so you know I'm not full of crap.

Thanks!

sob0728
09-27-2012, 12:07
Hi guys. This is most likely going to the Stanford Childrens Hospital. That's where we usually focus most of our charitable donations. I'll take a photo of the check and post it on the blog later so you know I'm not full of crap.

Thanks!

I don't think anyone assumed you were lying about the charity stuff but just to be safe, make sure that you are holding a copy of today's newspaper next to the check and that both Julian Van Winkle AND Harlen Wheatley are in the frame and jointly holding a bottle of PVW 23 or no one will believe anything.

David D
09-27-2012, 12:10
I don't think anyone assumed you were lying about the charity stuff but just to be safe, make sure that you are holding a copy of today's newspaper next to the check and that both Julian Van Winkle AND Harlen Wheatley are in the frame and jointly holding a bottle of PVW 23 or no one will believe anything.

Good one. I'll make sure to dot my "i"s and cross my "t"s

LostBottle
09-27-2012, 16:23
Hi guys. This is most likely going to the Stanford Childrens Hospital. That's where we usually focus most of our charitable donations. I'll take a photo of the check and post it on the blog later so you know I'm not full of crap.

Thanks!

Very well played, sir!

tanstaafl2
11-23-2012, 13:29
So, as noted in the recent purchases thread, I managed to get a bottle of the Jeff Ocean after all. I even paid (a little) less than the $200 retail price that had been bandied about.

Now I am curious to know a little more about it. There is not any info I can find on the Jefferson bourbon website (http://jeffersonsbourbon.com/). Since Jefferson Bourbon/Mclain & Kyne "distillery" are I presume in reality a bottler (maybe somebady else is doing that step too?) or marketer and not a distiller (I think the name now is Mclain & Kyne, Ltd and the distillery part is no longer in the name) they obviously get it from somebody else.

I was curious if there was any information on the source of the Jefferson Ocean. I am guessing it is not much different from where ever they source their regular bourbon but I was curious if in this case they got brand new make spirit in the barrel or if what they sourced had already been aged a bit.

Presumably the company doesn't typically get unaged barrels of whiskey as they also don't have their own warehouses and are bottling bourbon distilled AND aged elsewhere. But the Ocean must be a little different since it was aged at least part of time on board the ship. I suppose if they are working with a distiller to buy bourbon it isn't that big a stretch to get a few barrels of white dog from the distillery to play with (the pictures I have seen always show only three barrels).

Does Jefferson/Mclain & Kyne get bourbon from many different sources? I presume the answer is yes as the Presidential Select is reportedly from S-W (Or Bernheim juice aged at S-W depending on who you believe!) and the rye is from Canada while younger bourbon must be from somewhere else. Or do they have a known and ongoing relationship with one or more distilleries?

Does anybody have any knowledge about the source? Really just curious to know who made the Ocean bourbon. I also keep seeing references in the publicity blurbs to it being "blended" in Kentucky rather than distilled which strikes me as a little curious as well. Is it a blend of several distilleries? A blend of mash bills from Four Roses?

Whatever it is, it isn't going to stop me from trying it! But it would be interesting to know if the information is out there.

Ahhirsch16
11-23-2012, 14:20
Has anyone tried the Ocean yet?

tanstaafl2
11-23-2012, 15:22
Has anyone tried the Ocean yet?

Sku offered a review (http://recenteats.blogspot.com/2012/11/bon-voyage-jeffersons-ocean-aged.html) in which he was ever so slightly underwhelmed! He can of course elaborate if he would like should he happen by.

I had planned to give it a try last night but I was the host to 16 people for Thanksgiving last night and never got the chance. It was family of course and not necessarily the people who might most appreciate trying it.

CaptainQ
11-23-2012, 15:27
Has anyone tried the Ocean yet?

No, but didn't it win bottle of the year from Wine Enthusiast Magazine?



:70358-devil:

HighHorse
11-29-2012, 14:28
Six of us in Tallahassee chipped in on a bottle to taste. Our tasting is scheduled for this Saturday and I'll post the comments from our early tasting. We ended up with three bottles .. and are tasting first before deciding on who gets the other two. We had a sit-down with Trey while in Bardstown and he shared with us that of the 250 bottles that he ended up with, he only got one for himself. The bottles we have are much lighter .. more typical .. than some of the earlier pictures that were on the web. Trey's sending these barrels out on an ocean-going barge was an experiment ... an idea of the moment .. as he had a friend that owned a barge and they got to talking and decided, "why not"? Of the six barrels they started with there were some unexplained misadventures and they ended up with far fewer than they started with. I like the idea that he experiments like this. Whether it works or not is really only his risk. I've yet to have anything he's bottled that wasn't darn good juice. I look forward to this weekend.