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weller_tex
09-19-2012, 07:32
I have not seen a posting about this rye. I know it is just another young LDI rye..but it is bottled at 50% and is only $25 here in Houston. I really like the stuff. A much better deal than Bulleit Rye given the proof and sweeter than the Willett Ryes for a change of pace. Has anyone else had it?

doubleblank
09-19-2012, 11:08
I've seen it at Spec's but didn't pull the trigger as I'm not a big fan of ryes. IIRC, the label said it's "At least 2 years old" , bottled in Bardstown and distilled in Indiana or something like that. I'm betting that it tastes just like the other young LDI ryes being bottled out there.

weller_tex
09-19-2012, 11:27
I've seen it at Spec's but didn't pull the trigger as I'm not a big fan of ryes. IIRC, the label said it's "At least 2 years old" , bottled in Bardstown and distilled in Indiana or something like that. I'm betting that it tastes just like the other young LDI ryes being bottled out there.

Of the LDI ryes I have only had Willett 3 and 4 year and Bulleit, but to me it tastes different than both. Higher proof than Bulleit and you sure can tell it. It is sweeter than the Willets..less of that briny, pickle character.

tmckenzie
10-21-2012, 06:07
This showed up at my local whiskey monger yesterday. I picked a bottle up. I am sure it is ldi, but in a different style. I had a sample of this style of ldi rye sent to me from a broker wanting to sell some. I am convinced Ldi has 2 rye mashbills, or at least, one mashbill and 2 different ways to distill it. This Pepper brand of rye and the sample I got is less piney, minty as in the Bulleit rye. This is fruitier, more bourbon like, more perfumy. Harsh in a wierd way too. It could be different warehouse placement too. This says at least 2 years, which probably means 2 years and a day. But it has a hell of a dark color for 2 years. So it could be from barrels higher in the warehouse.

callmeox
10-21-2012, 09:28
I wonder if it is an extension of what this guy asked about?

http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?12570-Relaunch-of-James-E-Pepper-Bourbon

tmckenzie
10-21-2012, 19:30
I do not know, probably. I think it was brought in in 53 gallon barrels and then transferred to small barrels, there is a certain harshness that come from green wood that one of the small barrel cooperages uses.

ethangsmith
12-02-2012, 14:41
I bought a bottle of this and my feelings are consistent with everyone else on here- This is absolutely LDI rye (My bottle even says it was distilled in Indiana) and it is quite young. They do state that it is a straight rye whiskey, so it must be 2 years old, which is what the taste seems to impart. It's good whiskey for the price!

Happyhour24x7
12-04-2012, 04:20
I wonder if it is an extension of what this guy asked about?

http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?12570-Relaunch-of-James-E-Pepper-Bourbon
It is. He initially released a Pepper bourbon a year or so ago; it was nothing special. Currently out are the Pepper 1776 bourbon and rye- I have tasted the bourbon and it is a marked improvement over the original, although I don't know the price point or where he sources it.

Kalessin
12-04-2012, 10:58
The rye has just popped up in a few stores in MA... I hope they manage to get to the point where they're distilling and aging, rather than sourcing.

Happyhour24x7
12-04-2012, 12:56
I don't know if that is part of his future plans or not, but I can probably find out. my guess would be not.

cowdery
12-04-2012, 13:48
There seem to be two paths, one where the people say they're going to make their own, and one where people don't bother. I'm coming to prefer the people who don't bother, since the others are all lying.

shoshani
12-22-2012, 20:19
I picked up a bottle of this tonight at Binny's (Niles). It is fairly sweet, but I'm getting quite a minty note from it, as well as very mild wood in the aftertaste. It's the first LDI rye I've had at 100 proof and I'm curious as to how it would taste after, say, four or six years of aging. For $30 I figured it was worth a shot considering the label gave the source away and the source is known to be a good one. It shows promise.

The label talks about James E. Pepper's boasting that he used his grandfather's original Revolution-era recipes; does anyone know anything about that? I've seen some older "Born With The Republic" ads but none that mentioned historic continuity. Indeed, Oscar Pepper's distillery (now Woodford Reserve) is where James Crow thrived and produced his Old Crow and Old Pepper whiskeys. I would think that it was taken as understood that Dr. Crow's recipes and methods were considered superior to Elijah Pepper's, since that's what Elijah's son (and James' father) Oscar Pepper produced and sold to such great acclaim.

tmckenzie
12-23-2012, 07:29
I am pretty sure James Pepper's recipes never figured into making this whiskey. Did you get an odd woodiness? I think it has been rebarreled is small barrels. There is a small barrel cooperage that I will not call the name of, but it makes awful barrels that have a distinct green wood flavor, that is very pronounced in rye. I got that flavor in my bottle.

shoshani
12-23-2012, 11:46
I am pretty sure James Pepper's recipes never figured into making this whiskey. Did you get an odd woodiness? I think it has been rebarreled is small barrels. There is a small barrel cooperage that I will not call the name of, but it makes awful barrels that have a distinct green wood flavor, that is very pronounced in rye. I got that flavor in my bottle.

The aftertaste had a bit of woodiness, but not the actual whiskey. But this could change in a day or two as it gets a little air. And yeah, being that the rye is LDI, it wouldn't be anything Pepper (or even Crow) used for their recipe; this is pure Seagram.

squire
12-23-2012, 13:02
Not sure of the timelines but wasn't Dr. Crow already working at the Pepper distillery when James E. was born. I'm tired of these made up histories. The producers of the Pepper brand trying to claim a heritage back to 1780 is as ridiculous as a new car company naming itself Stanley Steamer and promptly announcing it's going to celebrate it's 100th birthday.

ThomasH
01-12-2013, 15:41
Got a bottle of this last week and it isn't bad for a younger rye. Especially un chill filtered and 100 proof!

Thomas

ThomasH
04-02-2013, 19:12
Saw this on a store shelf today. Nice to see Ohio broaden its rye horizons!
Thomas

BradleyC
04-02-2013, 19:18
I saw a James Pepper 15 Year Rye on the TTB site today. Instead of saying it's LDI it states the mashbill is 90%+ rye. The label speaks to it being a low barrel proof.

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=13029001000204

shoshani
04-02-2013, 21:27
I saw a James Pepper 15 Year Rye on the TTB site today. Instead of saying it's LDI it states the mashbill is 90%+ rye. The label speaks to it being a low barrel proof.

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=13029001000204

If I read that label right, it says it's bottled AT barrel proof, even though it's 45.3% alcohol. I'm....not sure exactly how they got barrels that are fractionally over 90 proof to start with. Unless after their 2 or 4 years of straight aging, they were rebarreled but diluted to a lower proof in the process. Can that be done, is there a legal MINIMUM barrel/rebarrel entry proof?

BradleyC
04-02-2013, 21:39
If I read that label right, it says it's bottled AT barrel proof, even though it's 45.3% alcohol. I'm....not sure exactly how they got barrels that are fractionally over 90 proof to start with. Unless after their 2 or 4 years of straight aging, they were rebarreled but diluted to a lower proof in the process. Can that be done, is there a legal MINIMUM barrel/rebarrel entry proof?

I was curious of the same. We've seen in the past where they simply plug a number in when they might not know the proof yet but this one says "bottled at a surprisingly low barrel proof" on the back label. I'm not sure on this one.

LostBottle
04-03-2013, 11:45
JEP15, oh boy, another LDI rye! Woohoo! I've never had a 95% mash bill before! Can't wait for the totally unique taste of this one!!!

squire
04-03-2013, 12:01
What's the price of this puppy?

Brisko
04-04-2013, 12:22
This showed up at my local whiskey monger yesterday. I picked a bottle up. I am sure it is ldi, but in a different style. I had a sample of this style of ldi rye sent to me from a broker wanting to sell some. I am convinced Ldi has 2 rye mashbills, or at least, one mashbill and 2 different ways to distill it. This Pepper brand of rye and the sample I got is less piney, minty as in the Bulleit rye. This is fruitier, more bourbon like, more perfumy. Harsh in a wierd way too. It could be different warehouse placement too. This says at least 2 years, which probably means 2 years and a day. But it has a hell of a dark color for 2 years. So it could be from barrels higher in the warehouse.

Nice work, Tom! It looks like they actually have 3 according to this thread. (http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?19726-New-Mash-Bills-from-LDI-MGP)

brettckeen
04-19-2013, 18:55
It was too young for my taste

tanstaafl2
04-19-2013, 19:49
Nice work, Tom! It looks like they actually have 3 according to this thread. (http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?19726-New-Mash-Bills-from-LDI-MGP)

The 2 lower rye mashbills are very new (just started production of them this month according to Chuck (http://chuckcowdery.blogspot.com/2013/04/mgp-adds-six-new-whiskey-recipes-to.html)) and they wouldn't have anything 2 months old much less 2 years old available from either mashbill yet. MGPI has owned the distillery for less than 16 months.

Whatever the reason is that the Pepper rye tastes different it has to be something other than the mashbill because it is almost certainly the 95% rye mashbill like everything else.

Maybe it was the cork taint... (http://spiritsjournal.klwines.com/klwinescom-spirits-blog/2013/4/18/so-many-possibilities.html)

:bigeyes:

compliance
05-09-2013, 23:34
The 15 year has showed up in stores. Anyone sampled this yet or know the source? It's too spendy for me to take a chance on without knowing what it is, about $150.

KySalesRep
07-03-2013, 19:49
I passed on 6 bottles of the 15 yr Pepper Rye priced at $169/bottle. This was the first time I have seen it in Lexington and they said it just came in this week. Has anyone tried this? The bottle says distilled in Indiana (LDI, I assume), but at that price, I would like to try it first.

MyOldKyDram
07-03-2013, 19:51
How to pickles hold up after being canned for 15 yrs?

mbroo5880i
07-03-2013, 20:15
How to pickles hold up after being canned for 15 yrs?

Maybe Hardees could use it as an alternate for the Bourbon Burger.

squire
07-04-2013, 05:17
but at that price, I would like to try it first.

If my job depended on selling this stuff I'm not sure I'd want my customers trying it first.

Gillman
07-04-2013, 08:53
I had a taste of the 15 recently, it was at a bourbon bar in Newport, KY which John Lipman took me to (John writes up a historical American whiskey website well-known to some here). It was very good, with a distinct peppermint note.

About Tom's comment that many small barrels have a "green wood note", I would agree with this. Not sure why this is, it shows as a "pine sap" taste to my mind.

Gary

squire
07-04-2013, 08:58
I've read old accounts where sap in just one green stave can have detrimental effects on the entire barrel, sort of the one rotten apple principle.

Gillman
07-04-2013, 11:19
Well, I don't much like the taste, but I've never been sure if that is the state of any young whiskey, i.e., at a few months to a year or so. Does whiskey conventionally aged taste like that at that age? I don't know.

Gary

HighInTheMtns
07-05-2013, 10:58
How to pickles hold up after being canned for 15 yrs?
Based on the High West 12 they hold up pretty good after 12 years.

MyOldKyDram
07-05-2013, 11:04
Well. Maybe I can find a sample of the Pepper somewhere around town.

PaulO
10-15-2013, 13:45
I'm bumping up an old thread because Pepper 1776 Rye just showed up in my town. The label says 100 proof, non chill filtered, distilled in Indiana, at least 2 years old. For just under $30, I was willing to take a chance. This shouldn't be a big surprise, it tastes very similar to the other LDI sourced ryes: Bulleit, Dickel Rye, Willett Rye, and others ... If you like LDI rye, and find it at a good price, then go for it. If you don't like LDI rye, stay away.

Dolph Lundgren
10-18-2013, 05:41
I had the 1776 at a bar this summer and thought it was really harsh and too young (young, young LDI). I would not recommend it at all.

I'm curious about the 15yr rye. I saw it on the shelves of some stores when I was travelling for 150$. Does anyone know the source of the whiskey? I'm guessing LDI (with the over 90% rye comment on their website, which I think is a tad dubious), but it could be Canadian or even from somewhere else.

PaulO
10-20-2013, 16:48
My understanding is that if it is distilled in another state than where it is bottled, they have to put that on the label. Since it's bottled in Bardstown KY, they have to include distilled in IN on the label. So, the 15 year old label should give some clue. Either it was distilled and bottled in the same state, or list the two different states.

Dolph Lundgren
10-21-2013, 06:08
My understanding is that if it is distilled in another state than where it is bottled, they have to put that on the label. Since it's bottled in Bardstown KY, they have to include distilled in IN on the label. So, the 15 year old label should give some clue. Either it was distilled and bottled in the same state, or list the two different states.

Yeah, well aware of that. I haven't had a good chance to closely check out the label on the 15 year. A few websites say Indiana, so I presume LDI. Saw it priced at $150 and initially thought that was high. Seems ridiculous now knowing that its LDI (especially with LDI Jeff 10 Rye being around $30).

squire
10-25-2013, 16:40
Indiana is LDI/MGP.

wadewood
10-26-2013, 06:57
My understanding is that if it is distilled in another state than where it is bottled, they have to put that on the label. Since it's bottled in Bardstown KY, they have to include distilled in IN on the label. So, the 15 year old label should give some clue. Either it was distilled and bottled in the same state, or list the two different states.

Your understanding of the law is correct. TTB understanding and application of said law is hit or miss, mostly miss.