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cowdery
09-19-2012, 09:38
Yesterday at Binny's, I was surprised by the prices on ryes. Although they have a big stack of Rittenhouse BIB at $22.99, both Knob Creek and Bulleit were over $30 a bottle. I also noticed that Templeton has dropped its price. Binny's has Bulleit and Templeton (which are both LDI) side-by-side, with Templeton at $39 and Bulleit at $34.

Old Overholt, on the bottom shelf, still $14.99.

Brisko
09-19-2012, 10:11
Off the top of my head, the lowest prices I can find in the Twin Cities (assuming products are in stock) for those are Rittenhouse for $20, Bulleit for $23 (although I can get it for under $20 on sale sometimes), Knob Creek for $36. Overholt can be found for $9.99 around town. One you didn't mention was Baby Saz which runs in the $25-30 range when it's available.

You can pay more, of course.

cowdery
09-20-2012, 15:44
I had Bulleit fixed in my head about about $25, so seeing for $34 was a shock. I guess now that Binny's has no competition, they have no need to be the price leader. Their deal price on Knob Bourbon is $29.99.

Was happy to get a Binny's selection of Buffalo Trace for $24.99. At least we can still count on Heaven Hill and Sazerac to give us bargains.

Brisko
09-20-2012, 17:51
Nearly every store I frequent has Bulleit rye priced identically to the bourbon. Both can be had on sale for under $20 on occasion.

Speaking of rye prices, Temleton just showed up here. Cheapest I saw was $41.99. I passed.

sku
09-20-2012, 19:07
Bulleit Rye is $19.99 at Trader Joe's in California.

smokinjoe
09-20-2012, 19:23
Firstly, I have been very surprised by the extensive distribution of Bulleit Rye. It's everywhere, in seemingly, every state I visit.
Secondly, as Brisko stated, I always see the Rye pricing on par with the Bulleit Bourbon.
Thirdly, pricing seems to consistently be in the slightly-North-of-$25 range.
Fourthly, I really like this whiskey
Fifthly, I would buy the crap out of it if I saw it at South-of-$20...

White Dog
09-20-2012, 22:13
Firstly and lastly, why would the strength of Diageo's distribution power surprise you? They're only the largest spirits producer in the world. They saw what was happening with the Rye explosion, even though some commentators were denying it, and they took advantage.

And in my state, Bulleit Bourbon and Rye are line priced slightly under $25.

tmckenzie
09-21-2012, 03:52
I am not suprised that the LDI ryes are not higher. With as haig a rye mashbill as they have. Rye grain is more expensive than corn and does not yeld nearly as much. About a gallon and a half per bushel less.

AaronWF
09-21-2012, 07:53
I have never seen Bulleit rye for less than $34.99, nor have I seen Bulleit bourbon for less than $29.99, and I shop almost exclusively at Binny's as I find their prices to be better 90% of the time in the city (some products can be found for cheaper in the burbs). Templeton has always hovered in the $35-$40 range at Binny's, so I don't see that the price has gone down.

I'll pay $35 for baby Saz every now and then, but other than the Willet ryes, that's the only rye I'll pay more than $25 for (ok, and not including VWFRR). I'm quite unlikely to spend another $50 on McKenzie rye. I'll spend $80 for Saz18, and one of these days I'll pick up another Rendezvous Rye for $55.

smokinjoe
09-21-2012, 08:12
Firstly and lastly, why would the strength of Diageo's distribution power surprise you? They're only the largest spirits producer in the world. They saw what was happening with the Rye explosion, even though some commentators were denying it, and they took advantage.

And in my state, Bulleit Bourbon and Rye are line priced slightly under $25.

Diawho? ;) I see your point, Dog. What I guess I was getting at, is that I see the Bulleit Rye on the shelves more than any other rye. And, before the rye came out, Bulleit Bourbon was hit or miss. Now, it seems to have gained shelf space because of the rye placement. I would have expected it to be the other way around. I can't remember the last store I was in where both products weren't on the shelf. Prior to the rye release, it was 50:50 that the bourbon would be on the shelf.

I would guess pricing of all ryes would be cheaper for Wisconsinites because of competition due to the large amount of rye/Canadian consumed there.

White Dog
09-21-2012, 11:37
I here ya, Joe. I now see them together everywhere.

Bulleit Bourbon was just another Bourbon when it came out, but the Rye really filled a need. Ritt availability is spotty, Baby Saz is rare, and Turkey ruined their Rye. (And Beam's Ryes are about as good as their Bourbon.:lol:) When Bulleit Rye comes out, bars had something from a major producer that they could stock and keep around, and retailers needed the price point. I'm guessing that got more placements for the Bourbon.

And Wisconsin is a very frugal state. In fact, I've seen both Bulleits on sale for $19.99 from time to time.

Shell
10-14-2012, 12:19
Yesterday at Binny's, I was surprised by the prices on ryes. Although they have a big stack of Rittenhouse BIB at $22.99, both Knob Creek and Bulleit were over $30 a bottle. I also noticed that Templeton has dropped its price. Binny's has Bulleit and Templeton (which are both LDI) side-by-side, with Templeton at $39 and Bulleit at $34....

I had Bulleit fixed in my head about about $25, so seeing for $34 was a shock. I guess now that Binny's has no competition, they have no need to be the price leader. ...

I wonder how each state's tax structure and wholesaler pricing figure in? In MI, the state min. price for Bulleit Rye is $26; for Knob Creek Rye is $45.

Shell

cowdery
10-15-2012, 10:18
That's why there's a lot of variation from state to state, but typically a state won't be high on some products and low on others. If prices tend to be high, they tend to be high across the board and vice-versa. That's why it's always important to say where you saw a particular price. I usually quote Illinois prices, which tend to be on the low side, or Kentucky prices which also tend to be on the low side. Control states such as Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania can be counted on to be high.

Josh
10-15-2012, 10:24
They're usually higher than KY, IN or IL here, but not THAT high. Oddly enough, when the KCR first hit the shelves it was $5 cheaper than it is now.

The Boozer
10-19-2012, 12:34
Actually Chuck comparing Binny's prices with Michigan's State minimum prices show them to be pretty close, some higher some lower.
Prices are definitely higher here than Kentucky. The big advantage Illinois and Kentucky has over Michigan is in selection. We have it pretty good, but not like you guys. Also, none of our stuff can go on sale, below State minimum price. And we have no Binny's card!!

Mickbourbon
10-19-2012, 14:57
Today in the Twin Cities saw baby SAZ at $27.99 and & $29.99. Templeton @ $41.99 at 2 different places.

Paul

The Boozer
10-20-2012, 08:38
I thought this was a good of place as any to stick this: New stuff on the Michigan list

Ritt BiB 100 - $21.96 (well we are finally getting this but given the shortages, we will see how much actually makes it into State)
GD Rye - $22.99

Plus these others
Bulleit 10yr - $49.96 (10 yr old @ 92 proof seems just a tad! high)
Ardbeg Galileo - $99.99 (apparently $100 for Ardbeg's specialty bottles in the new norm. Still find Alligator at a number of stores)

Josh usually takes care of this - must be slackin' :grin:

DeanSheen
10-20-2012, 13:06
Dang. RITT in MI. Maybe OH is next?

ThomasH
10-20-2012, 15:43
Ritt. used to be special order in Ohio then they took it off thhe list. One of the local stores ordered in a couple of cases and I bought what was left when they closed it out!

Thomas

Shell
10-22-2012, 12:59
[QUOTE=The Boozer;305623]I thought this was a good of place as any to stick this: New stuff on the Michigan list

Ritt BiB 100 - $21.96 (well we are finally getting this but given the shortages, we will see how much actually makes it into State)
GD Rye - $22.99 ... [/QUOTE

Good catch. Rittenhouse 100 proof just showed up a "new product" in the MI supplemental list of 10/28/2012. Hopefully, it will show up in the retail stores shortly.

The $21.96 is the state minimum price, the price most retailers have been pricing their spirits to be competitive. One in a while, a very sought after item that is in short supply will be priced at a premium. Let's hope Rittenhouse 100 proof won't be one of those.

Shell

jersey12
10-26-2012, 10:10
Just picked up my very first bottle of baby Saz at $31.99. Little more than I would have liked to have paid but having a shop a block from the office that keeps it in stock made me finally pull the trigger. Hope to do a nice side by side with the 18 year in the next few weeks.

p_elliott
10-26-2012, 10:16
Just picked up my very first bottle of baby Saz at $31.99. Little more than I would have liked to have paid but having a shop a block from the office that keeps it in stock made me finally pull the trigger. Hope to do a nice side by side with the 18 year in the next few weeks.

That's just a little steap :shocked:

jersey12
10-26-2012, 10:29
That's just a little steap :shocked:

Yeah, I know you're right especially since I only paid $59.99 for the 18 year but sometimes convenience trumps saving a few dollars. Hopefully I'll think that it was worth it when the bottle's gone.

MyOldKyDram
10-26-2012, 14:53
Saw it here the other day for $35.99. No sir.

DanG
10-28-2012, 13:46
I've seen it as high as $40 here :/

bad_scientist
10-28-2012, 14:01
I've seen it as high as $40 here :/

It's $27 in Montgomery County, MD. That's not bad, but the best purchase I've ever made regarding BT rye is the white dog rye mash at $15. It's drinkable, mixable, whatever... The good part was being able to taste it and realizing the THH and Baby Saz simply are slightly older versions of white dog. The initial distillate is so recognizable in those whiskeys that I feel ripped off even drinking them, considering what they cost.

smokinjoe
10-28-2012, 15:55
It's $27 in Montgomery County, MD. That's not bad, but the best purchase I've ever made regarding BT rye is the white dog rye mash at $15. It's drinkable, mixable, whatever... The good part was being able to taste it and realizing the THH and Baby Saz simply are slightly older versions of white dog. The initial distillate is so recognizable in those whiskeys that I feel ripped off even drinking them, considering what they cost.

If so, I would find that very interesting, as I am a huge fan of both the THH and Baby Saz. And, I've never tried the wheat BT white dog. If there really is such a definitive linkage, I certainly want to try it. Unfortunately, I've not been able to discern much linkage between any white dog that the pAlthough, it doesn't matter, did you mean to say that you tasted white dog wheat mash? And, that since tasting that, you think THH and Baby Saz are simply slightly older versions of it? Or, did you mean to say rye? Regardless, it sounds like you are inferring that that these two whiskies are just slightly "better" than a white dog, due to presumably a "short" span of 6ish years in oak?

roducers put out, and the final aged whiskies that presumably come from them. I'm wondering if anyone else been able to connect the BT wheat white dog with Handy with such definiteness?

smokinjoe
10-28-2012, 16:02
If so, I would find that very interesting, as I am a huge fan of both the THH and Baby Saz. And, I've never tried the wheat BT white dog. If there really is such a definitive linkage, I certainly want to try it. Unfortunately, I've not been able to discern much linkage between any white dog that the pAlthough, it doesn't matter, did you mean to say that you tasted white dog wheat mash? And, that since tasting that, you think THH and Baby Saz are simply slightly older versions of it? Or, did you mean to say rye? Regardless, it sounds like you are inferring that that these two whiskies are just slightly "better" than a white dog, due to presumably a "short" span of 6ish years in oak?

roducers put out, and the final aged whiskies that presumably come from them. I'm wondering if anyone else been able to connect the BT wheat white dog with Handy with such definiteness?

Please disregard this inane post of mine above. :rolleyes: Absolute brain crash...

Must be a delayed hangover from last nights festivities...;)

I new something didn't make sense, I just didn't realize it was me...

bad_scientist
10-29-2012, 13:54
Please disregard this inane post of mine above. :rolleyes: Absolute brain crash...

Must be a delayed hangover from last nights festivities...;)

I new something didn't make sense, I just didn't realize it was me...


Weird, I was nodding along and ready to address your questions :)

I should say that I like THH a lot. I think what is added by the (ever-so-brief) 6 years in wood is a bit of softening of the raisiny, plummy notes in the new make, and most importantly, a resiny wood component that works like bitters or a wormwood infusion. That, obviously, isn't in the white dog, and gives it a real backbone, like a fully-made cocktail in a bottle. I still feel ripped off when I drink THH, but I'll probably buy it again. I don't want to come across as being too negative.

wadewood
10-29-2012, 15:23
I just bought a couple of Baby Saz at $24/ea plus tax. That's the best price I have seen on it.

cowdery
10-29-2012, 16:46
That's probably about as good as you're going to see. Not sure what Binny's gets for it as they don't have it on their web site. It wasn't that long ago that Rittenhouse BIB was $12 a bottle, but it still looks like a bargain at $22.99 when Wild Turkey 81 proof rye is $24.99, Bulleit Rye is $34.99, and Knob Creek Rye is $36.99. Meanwhile, it's pretty hard to beat Old Overholt at $14.99. Beam is apparently trying to get some separation between its two popular-price ryes, pricing Jim Beam Rye at $19.99. Ri1 is still on Binny's list, at $39.99.

We're so lucky, we can buy Beam rye at four different price points, from $14.99 to $39.99.

Brisko
10-29-2012, 18:37
I picked up a Baby Saz at my local haunt for $25, on sale. Last one on the shelf, although I see it elsewhere in stock for closer to $30. Fortunately the local guys keep Rittenhouse in stock and priced nicely. Probably a good thing it's not $12 anymore, or I'd go through it even faster than I already do.

Special Reserve
11-01-2012, 16:57
I discovered 3 bottles of WT 101 Rye for $20.99 this evening.

I nice find when I wasn't even hunting.

jersey12
11-01-2012, 18:08
I discovered 3 bottles of WT 101 Rye for $20.99 this evening.

I nice find when I wasn't even hunting.

I trust at least one made its way home with you?

Shell
11-02-2012, 05:32
That's an amazing price, especially if found here in MI. Way to go.

Special Reserve
11-02-2012, 05:49
I trust at least one made its way home with you?

All three found a new home.

unclebunk
11-02-2012, 05:50
I discovered 3 bottles of WT 101 Rye for $20.99 this evening.

I nice find when I wasn't even hunting.

Good one, Will. A nice find, indeed! My little hole-in-the-wall store just sold their last bottle, so somebody found my little stash. Still, I'm happy to have the two bottles I've got and will continue to keep an eye out for the WT101.

unclebunk
11-02-2012, 05:53
That's probably about as good as you're going to see. Not sure what Binny's gets for it as they don't have it on their web site. It wasn't that long ago that Rittenhouse BIB was $12 a bottle, but it still looks like a bargain at $22.99 when Wild Turkey 81 proof rye is $24.99, Bulleit Rye is $34.99, and Knob Creek Rye is $36.99. Meanwhile, it's pretty hard to beat Old Overholt at $14.99. Beam is apparently trying to get some separation between its two popular-price ryes, pricing Jim Beam Rye at $19.99. Ri1 is still on Binny's list, at $39.99.

We're so lucky, we can buy Beam rye at four different price points, from $14.99 to $39.99.

So true. I do wish the Bulleit and Knob were priced closer to $30 (or slightly less) which would make them more appealing to me. At $35+ my eye starts wandering elsewhere and often lands on Rittenhouse.

cowdery
11-02-2012, 19:17
I'll be very interested to see what fans of the LDI ryes think of George Dickel Rye when it hits the market.

T Comp
11-02-2012, 21:32
I'll be very interested to see what fans of the LDI ryes think of George Dickel Rye when it hits the market.

I'm not, a fan, and that's why I'm looking forward to it. Intrigued by that citrus note that has been documented :grin:.